Episode 204

On this episode of the Removing Barriers podcast, we react to the Piers Morgan Uncensored coverage of the Shiloh Hendrix situation and the ongoing racial tensions it exposes in our country today. Shiloh Hendrix was the white woman who called an autistic 5 year old boy a racial slur and unapologetically doubled down on her actions when confronted, then proceeded to raise nearly a million dollars on GiveSendGo to cover costs associated with the fallout of her decision. The panel was diverse in thought: centrist, leftist, conservative, and far right, but incredibly, none seemed to have a biblical perspective. Was Shiloh Hendrix wrong, and what does the influx of support say about the state of race relations in the U.S.? What does the Bible have to say about it? Join us and share this episode with your friends!

[Jay]

When Shiloh Hendricks said in that clip when she was being confronted by the man that was recording her and he said, why did you call that child? The N word. And she said Ohh, he’s behaving like 1. And those few words she revealed the state of her heart where she’s already classified this child. As a particular type of person.

Thank you for tuning in to the Removing Barriers podcast. I’m Jay and I’m MCG. And we’re attempting to remove barriers, so we can all have a clear view of the cross.

[MCG]

This is episode 204 of the moving various podcast, and in this episode. We will be responding to the Piers Morgan uncensored show. Where he had Myron from fresh and fit Mark Lamont Hill, Lady Goddess and Ricky. Plot. They discuss, among other things, Charlotte Hendricks and a viral clip of her calling A5 year old Black Kid, the N word, and followed from that and the money she raised on give and go.

[Jay]

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[MCG]

All right. So we are going to be playing the episode and pause along the way and respond as we see fit. As for full transparency, we did do some editing. They were pretty minor. What we did, we censored some words and also Piers Morgan team as well, censored some words like when he played a clip of Shiloh Youth and the N word he censored out the N word. I took it a little bit further and I censored out the. F word and the S word as well, among others that I didn’t find. I also remove all ads from the episode that we are playing and I also removed the intro and the outro. So without much further ado, here is Piers Morgan from the Piers Morgan show.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Two recent stories in the US have laid bare the shocking levels of racial division in American Society, amplified by extreme and viral takes on social media. 17 year old Carmelo Anthony is a black teenager charged with stabbing a white boy to death at a school track meeting in April, more than $600,000 in donations. Have poured in, not for the victims grieving family, but for his alleged killer. Last week, Shiloh Hendricks went viral after a video showed the young mother racially abusing A5 year old, allegedly for stealing from her young child.

[MCG]

Ohh, let me just say that we are planning to do an episode on Carmelo Anthony. I think we’re just going to wait until after the trial at this point just to get more facts come out as things go along, but may not share much of our opinion on Carmelo Anthony outside of what is being said in this episode.

[Shiloh Hendrix Clip]

But. The child. Did you call the child?

[MCG]

And this is just the audio of Charlotte Hendricks when someone confronted her about calling A5 year old kid the N word. And of course he gonna hear a lot of beeps because not only did Pierce Margaret and beep out some of the words, but we fear the beep out some of the words as well.

[Shiloh Hendrix Clip]

It is non business you call him. OK. Why don’t you have the boss? To say it right now again. Huh. All right, that’s what you say. Nobody digging. That little kid, you call him the little child. Are you about to hit him? You chase him here. He took my son. So you so that gives you the right to call the child. Five year.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Old well, as you can see, Hendrix doesn’t deny using the slur. In fact, she.

[MCG]

Let me just stop here. Ask you there, because obviously you and I have 4 black boys, and since we’re talking about the N word, we ultimately got to be talking about. Race. And stuff like that. And they’re seeming never ending. Pension in the United States IG, I guess if you are at the playground and someone another five year old kid should write for through your diaper bags, I guess we don’t really take diaper bags to the playground anymore because our kids are. The youngest is 3. But. What would your reaction be just off over the back?

[Jay]

I would.

[MCG]

Anything close to Shiloh?

[Jay]

No, I don’t think so. I can’t imagine calling a child a racial slur just because they’re going through someone’s bag. Not that I’m excusing the behavior. But you also need to realize that’s a small child they will rifle through things that don’t belong to them and get into stuff they’re not supposed to get into. And as adults, we see that and we just tell them. To go away or not to touch what’s not theirs, we send them back to their moms. I can’t imagine completely flying off the handle and calling someone such a terrible word.

[MCG]

Well, we had a situation where we had a kid that would come over to our home and actually look through our windows, and I politely asked him not to do that. But I never call him any names.

[Jay]

Right child. The Bible says that foolishness is bound up in the heart of the child. They do silly, foolish things, and some of them know how to push your buttons, and we have to remember that they also have a sinful nature. And so since we’re the adult in the room, think all those things that need to be pulled into consideration.

[MCG]

Alright, well, let’s continue.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

He repeats it many times. That’s all the stuff has bleeped out. When a bystander in the park follows her with his smartphone, Hendrix set up a fundraiser on the same website as Carmelo Anthony’s Borders, on which she wrote. I called the kid out for what he was. Incredibly, that campaign has now raised more money than the first one, surpassing $655,000 at the time of taping the show. Well, the boss of the website give send go is accused of facilitating brazen racism on a platform whose motto is money is temporary. Jesus, it is, is eternal. He will join me. Later, Liberals say this is exactly what they’ve been warning about, that the post BLM backlash, the crushing of DEI has provided A fig leaf for outright bigotry. Conservatives were similarly outraged by the support for Carmelo Anthony, an alleged murderer who’s been glorified by some as a victim of a racist system. We’re here to debate all this as the host of the. Fresh and Fit podcast Myron Gaines, the host of night school on YouTube. Mark Lamont hill. Lily Gaddis, a social media commentator whose video defence of the N word mother has so far been viewed millions of times on ex and the New York Post columnist and author Ricky Schlott. Well, welcome to all of you, Ricky. Look, my take on this is a stain on all their houses, right? I just don’t know what is happening to society when you have such vast sums of money being raised for what seems to me to be deliberate, racially charged, motivational reasons.

[Rikki Schlott]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we’re fighting ugly with ugly right now, and I think this level of racial tribalism and hostility is just simply not sustainable in such a a diverse democracy like America. I think it’s, you know, 1 is really a reaction to the other. I think both campaigns are are really hideous. And I think we’re showing our our ugliest colors, I mean. In the scheme of things, these are small sums relative to the population of America. But you you do see, I think a really tremendous explosion of, of ugliness and racial hostility, that I think that we should all be. Ashamed and embarrassed of.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Yeah, I mean, you described it. I think one of your posters, genie.

[MCG]

Now let me say I will not be agreeing with any of the guests on the show, nor Pierce Morgan myself 100%. But I also don’t disagree with any of them 100% as well. I think their nuances here that we’re going to discuss, but just to adjust their comparison between Carmelo Anthony. And Sheila Hendricks? At least here you know, I think they’re comparing a little bit of oranges and apples kind of thing. I don’t think they really want one in a sense, but.

[Jay]

You don’t see the Shiloh Hendrix situation as comparable to the Carmelo Anthony incident simply because because Carmelo actually committed murder while what Shiloh did was just call someone a very nasty name like apples oranges.

[MCG]

Well, you know one sense in one sense. Right in that sense. And also I know they’re kind of comparing the racial part of it order. Backlash or the support the tribal support of both sides which? I think and that front both of them are wrong, but anyways I’m going to let the.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Audio continue and is this a SIOP? This would be the best $1,000,000 invested by foreign adversary to start a race war in America. I knew exactly what you were, what you’re getting at because many of the comment. I think the comments have now been suspended actually on both of these. Funding pages because people were quite obviously deliberately misusing them to both to post race baiting commentary.

[Rikki Schlott]

Absolutely. I mean, if you go through some of the comments on either of them, you you have white lives matter on one side and like suggestions that the the teenage boy who was stabbed was somehow a like a manifestation of white supremacy. And it seems to be just a, a a fight at a track meet that has nothing to do with racial hostility in the 1st place. And the poor father. This this young man who died, too, said please don’t make this into a racial issue. And yet on his own gives and go campaign. There are comments after comments saying this is White lives Matter, we’re avenging against Carmelo Anthony’s family. I mean on on all ends. This is this is ugly. I think that it’s it’s really Co opting the the charity. And giving community, I mean I I feel bad for the the fundraising platforms because I I don’t. Think this is. The the intention originally, but unfortunately I think that people are really starting to take over. Good intent and and the the charity Industrial complex to make it into a victim industrial complex. And it’s really sad.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

To see, well, we’re gonna have one of the founders of the give Sango site a little later the programme. But Mark Lamont Hill, you were shaking your head there. I mean, what’s your take on this?

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

There, there are a couple of things that that that were said that I think are really interesting and important. One, there is an outside audience of people who are watching all of this and opportunistically. For their own agendas and projects, you know I have an investment in believing X, so I’m going to jump in the comments if this go fund me etcetera. I have an investment in why I’m going to do the same thing. But what I don’t want to do is compare these two things as if they’re opposite sides of the same coin. For me, the intention of the campaign matters. In the case of the this woman who is using the N word, the woman isn’t disputing using the N word. The woman isn’t disputing being racist, and the comments that are being.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Ah.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

Left on the site before they were suspended and the the attitudes behind it weren’t saying she’s being railroaded, she’s being misrepresented. They were simply saying we support racism and I think that’s disgusting no matter who’s doing it. On the other hand, the people who are fundraising for Carmelo Anthony, the argument here isn’t. Yeah, we did something we don’t care. Like the other woman. The argument is. We’re being uh. Misrepresented here. We’re being railroaded. But this was a self-defense claim. This is not an act of violence. This is the first. I’m saying what they’re saying. This isn’t my argument. They’re saying this is a first degree murder claim. That is wrong. This is actually self-defense, and we need the money to make sure that we get a fair trial. I think. And so whether you agree with his argument or not. I think raising money for a fair trial is different than raising money for a racist.

[MCG]

So answer this though I agree with Mark Lamont Hill, partially. And that’s true for everybody on the panel anyway, but I do believe that, yes, the comparison is not right because as you said, they’re not opposite side of the same coin. I do agree with him, dear, but I also believe that. The tribalism is on both sides and I also believe. That he’s making it seems like, OK, everyone who’s donating to Carmelo Anthony just want him to have a fair child because he’s claiming self-defense. I don’t believe that’s true. I think based upon what you’re seeing on social media, what you’re seeing out there, a lot of folks really don’t care because the person who was, should we call him the victim. I guess at the end of the day, once the case is decided, we will know if they’re the victim or he was acting in self. Defense. But there are some people that are donating because he killed a white teenager because I personally think that if the races were flipped, you would have tribalism again. The same way people will be lamenting, oh, how 17 year old teenager kill another 17 year old black teenager and it will be another George Floyd or whatever, all over again. So I think he’s been a little bit disingenuous. They’re saying that they’re only and I don’t think he said only but that’s impression I got he’s saying that they are donating for fair. Now and they are donating in spite of the fact that she claimed that she used the N word and I just think that of course I think they’re donating. Partly some people are donated, partly because this is a black. Did they kill a white white person? And they’ll say, hey, whatever we are supporting you, it’s almost OJ Simpson over again, you know?

[Jay]

Right, I think I agree with you there. If it were flipped and the family had to raise funds for Carmelo Anthony’s funeral or whatever costs associated with the aftermath of a murder, I don’t think anyone that has issue with it the way it is now would have an issue with it in that particular way. Shiloh Hendricks claims that she’s raising the money. Because as a result of the video having gone viral and pretty much the whole world seeing it, she has to move her family for their safety and other expenses involved with that as well. And so she’s raising money for that reason. And so it’s not just a matter of people donating because they are racist and they support her and her racist endeavors as they’re claiming. But it’s more of a OK, we have to move. I don’t have the money to do it. Can you help me if the situation had been flipped with Carmelo Anthony, I don’t think anyone would object to Anthony’s family raising. Money in order to provide, like I said, Funeral services or whatever else they need, maybe, perhaps even money for the prosecution. And who’s to say that she won’t be prosecuted for what she said? Certainly the climate, the political and legal climate in the country makes it so that prosecution won’t be likely. It’s funny because. Five years ago, I am not entirely sure that would have been the case, but I agree with. That I don’t think Mark Lamont Hill is seeing it in a even handed way there.

[MCG]

Yeah, I’m not quite sure I agree that she would be prosecuted there. That First Amendment right is kind of hard to get over in terms of what Charlotte did.

[Jay]

Yeah, perhaps prosecuted is too strong a word, but to be put through the Court of public opinion.

[MCG]

Well, she’s getting that now.

[Jay]

Getting that now and the money associated with having to protect yourself in that particular climate, that’s perhaps what I should have said, right?

[MCG]

Yeah, but remember the problem I have with all of this. I think I can say this already is the tribal leaning. Of it, because quite honestly, I don’t think this is a conservative or liberal issue. Not when it comes to Charlotte Antrix, not when it comes to Carmelo Anthony. It’s not a liberal or conservative, at least not in my mind. And it could be because I don’t really define myself as being a Republican or Democrat. So I don’t really care about being a part of. What if one party is thinking or not so shallow? Hendricks? She was frustrated that the five year old autistic boy right at your back. Now I guess she couldn’t tell that he was autistic. I’m assuming give her the best for the. I don’t know how the boy look. Does he look older? Does it really matter if you look older? I would say no, but I just think that at the end of the day, it becomes conservative versus liberal. It becomes Democrat versus Republican and that always get messy. Even in recent history with the COVID vaccine. Got messy because. You become a political issue if you take it, you’re most likely a Democrat. If you refuse to take it, you’re most likely a Republican, and if he was flipped, we possibly, if Trump had won in 2020 and Trump was pushing the vaccine, the Democrats, because we have Kamala Harris saying she wasn’t going to take it if Donald Trump actually to take it. And the theme. Vaccines that Donald Trump was developing now became available under her administration, and she’s pushing it. This party stuff does. Mess everything up. The politics stuff just messed everything up. Many of us all let him continue.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

And I think the common theme between the two and this is not to pass any view about it at this stage, although I I have strong views about it. I guess the common theme is that both of them say that as a result of all the publicity they’ve been docked and had all their personal details put everywhere on social media, which is of course the modern scourge which which gets involved and as a result they’ve had death threats and they have security issues and and they have to move home and so on. You know, I I understand that part of the argument, you know, when you’re at the centre of a firestorm in America and you’re not used to public attention. Then the levels of intimidation, threats and so on that can come your way can be extremely intimidating, if not outright dangerous. So it’s different really to taking a view about either of the cases to simply say that the commonality is that they both, I think, have said in defending the amounts that have been raised is. Or we have to defend ourselves, either as you’re putting it to the courts, but also in his case the the alleged killer that he has also, I think, had direct threats against him. And in the case of the mother using the N word in that despicable manner, she has said she’s had a lot of threats too.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

My my quick response to that would just be let’s assume everybody’s telling the truth. Let’s assume she’s telling the truth. Let’s assume he’s telling the truth. If he’s telling the truth and he was doing self-defense and he’s getting harassed in docs, and of course, we already know lies have been told about his, his go fund me campaign saying they were spending it on mansions and cars all the time of racist tropes. If that’s true, he’s been.

[MCG]

I don’t know if that entirely falls through. I think he was exaggerated a little bit, but I think evidence is over there that he did use some of that money to move into a gated community and possibly upgrade in view. Cool, but I’m not 100% sure, but I’ve heard and seen enough news articles and enough evidence out there that that might be true, but I’ll let them continue.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

Mistreated and I think that’s a that’s a, that’s a a sort of very easy case to make when it comes to her. However, she’s also telling the truth that she used the word she thinks the kid was acting like one. She feels like she has a right to use that word against that small baby because of whatever age appropriate thing. The kid, if she’s telling the truth and she’s getting.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Let’s.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

Doxed and harassed. I don’t know if I would reward her behavior with half $1,000,000. I don’t think she should be docked. I don’t think she should be harassed. I think she has been mistreated to the extent that no one should be. You have a right to be racist. You have a right to free speech in this country. But I’m not donating money for it and I feel a lot worse about her. Go fund me than the one for the person who’s railroaded.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Yeah. Well, Lilly Garrett, you posted a defence of Shiloh on X. It’s been viewed 2 and a half million times in which it was entitled. White people are finally fighting back. Stand with Shiloh Hendricks. What did you mean?

[Lilly Gaddis]

By that, here’s the thing. White people have been under attack for years. It’s been systematic racism as much as black people and people of color want to talk about systematic racism in the United States. It’s quite the opposite. They get preferential treatment when it comes to getting a job. When it comes to getting getting into colleges, white people, on the other hand, hand have been getting attacked. Relentlessly look at 2016 and BLM and all the riots we just had to sit back and watch people burn down our cities and do nothing. About it. So the way to fight back against essentially this anti white hatred that’s been systemically, you know, ingrained in US society is with white unity. We don’t see white unity on.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Hang on, hang on, hang.

[Lilly Gaddis]

On our side.

[MCG]

On it is that the problem you know? Again, I don’t totally disagree with what you just said. True. And I’m speaking as a black man. I’m not African American, but I’m black, that even at my job. I was able to get away with and get away my bills too strong of a word, but I remember having a meeting with someone that’s a leader over me and I told that person plain blank that I disagree with Black Lives Matter now. I told that to someone who’s working at a company. That was pushing Black Lives Matter was pushing Dei and the person basically said nothing to me. But I can guarantee you that if that person was talking to another coworker who was white, they probably would have said something about the fact that they said that this could be black life matter. Now I didn’t initiate the conversation. The conversation was initiated because the CEO of the company wanted the leaders to meet with everybody. And talk about the social issues that were going on just to get guess what people mental states are at. So maybe I’m wrong. Maybe it was just a free, open discussion. That’s one-on-one the folks and talk. But there’s some truth to it. There have been a lot of black privilege, and you talk about, of course, affirmative action, which is Supreme Court done well. Wait. But that doesn’t mean it’s not. They also talk about DI where people of color were given positions and stuff like that, that they probably weren’t qualified for. And a lot of decisions being made on race and of course. We know critical race theory and the homogenic power all set with the fact that the white man is at the top of the. The racial ladder and the further you away from a white, heterosexual Middle East guy is the most victimized. You are. So she’s not totally wrong where she just. Lose her mind. In my opinion, it’s saying that the answer to it is no white tribalism, which that’s not going to help the situation. You know, Martin Luther King does the cool thing. He said that black supremacy is just as dangerous as white supremacy. So we don’t want to swap. And he even said that we don’t want to swap 1 tyranny. For the next, and I think somewhat is what? Keith thing.

[Jay]

We agree.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

OK, but hang on, sorry. Just to be clear, this has got nothing to do with anything you’ve just said. This is a disgusting, racist woman who repeatedly spews the N word first at a young child and then at the person taking the video of her. Does it with complete impunity? Does it numerous times we are talking about a bona fide on questionable racist and so I don’t understand why what you’ve just said to me bears any relation to white unity or anything you’ve just said. She’s just a racist.

Yes.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

End, isn’t she? You wouldn’t dispute that.

[Lilly Gaddis]

Well, it’s not. It’s not about her. It’s not about her. It’s about white people coming together and supporting another white person and it.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Well, it’s about her.

[Lilly Gaddis]

Doesn’t matter what she says.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Why would you want to support a white racist?

[Lilly Gaddis]

Because I want to support free speech and you cannot have free speech in the. Country if you have.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Yeah, that’s fine. You can support free speech, but you you also have to be accountable for what you say she is. I mean, would you use the N word out of interest? Yes, you would.

[Lilly Gaddis]

I do, quite frankly.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

You use the N word quite frequently. Well why? Other than the fact you’re a despicable racist, are you?

[Lilly Gaddis]

I some would say I am. I guess according to the ADL, I’m a white supremacist, I’m a neo Nazi, I’m a racist.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Yeah. Well, if you use the N word repeatedly, you are you are a racist, are you? Do you? Are you?

[Lilly Gaddis]

Sure, I’ll. I’ll embrace that if that. If that means forwarding, you know, helping white people achieve freedom of speech, real freedom of speech, which, by the way, and I mean shallow Hendrix, is being attacked on all fronts. They’re trying to bring legal charges against her. They’re trying to get her children taken away. So you were saying that Carmelo Anthony, it doesn’t matter that that’s a different kind of thing.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Just to be clear, you you just said to me you used the N word regularly. In what context do you do you use it with black people?

[Lilly Gaddis]

Ah yes, if they if if it’s.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Appropriate. Would it be appropriate to use the N word? When would it be appropriate?

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

Well, here’s it about black people.

[Lilly Gaddis]

Anytime I feel like it.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

So you, you just you’re unashamed racist.

[Lilly Gaddis]

Correct.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Well, do you understand that makes you a despicable human being?

[MCG]

Alright, let’s pause this for a little bit and talk about. What she said again, the N. Firstly, personally I believe that no speech should be censored. That might be a little bit out there and a little bit surprising, but I believe that bad speech should be countered with good speech, not censorship, because it becomes very, very difficult to determine what you want to censor. Now obviously on the removing Virus podcast is our podcast and we determine that some words that we’re not going to say and there’s some words I don’t use and there’s some words that I beep out on the podcast if I’m using a clip. Because I don’t want to broadcast it, but that’s me making a moral decision based upon my foundation, which I will say the scriptures in God’s word, that I’m not going to use certain words, you know, Bible says in Colossians 4 verse six. Let your speech be always with grace. The season with thought that he may know how he ought to answer every man. I can’t say that my speech. I’ve always been great since seasoned with salt, but that’s the goal. So no, personally. I grew up in the Caribbean. The N word is not the word that is used per se, meaning in the US, African Americans would use the word. What I had A at the end. And then of course, if you use it with the ER, that means it’s a ratio. Oh. Taboo to say that, and it’s basically downgraded the person. You’re basically putting them back into the fields of the master. And basically saying that they weren’t less good for another ingorant and let’s go on and on. It’s their most derogatory word they can use to a black person, not just a black person, but especially African American person, because I think the word has the most stigma in America than anywhere else. But to me. The wrappers use it all the time. And even Kanye latest song, which I think Paige Morgan talked about it in a different episode, I think it kind of came up here a little bit, but everybody talking about the fact that he said Hail Hitler in that song. But before every time he says Hail Hitler, he put the N word before it. And of course, he was referring to himself. Of course the user had a. So in some respect, can a white person use the word with a hard and not get lambasted? No, but a black person can use it with a hard AI or even ER and don’t get lambasted. But.

[Jay]

They’re not the same word. They don’t mean the same thing. There’s a cultural difference between the two. Maybe that’s why it’s right.

[MCG]

That’s true, but where did they hide it? I’m from.

[Jay]

It came from black people taking a word that was weaponized against them and then flipping it around and turning it into something meaningful.

[MCG]

Maybe we can look it up, but I think it comes from the fact that many of the Africans that were here the ER is given an esom at the times and in lots of words where we speak even sometime in the islands. And ER is given a sound. And I think that’s where you come from. At least historically, I believe that’s where you come from. No, they may have changed and say, hey, with a had a, it’s OK to me. Both of them are equally bad in my opinion. In my opinion, both are equally bad, but it should not be acceptable from a black person or from a white person. It’s always shocking to me if you go back to what sitcoms in the 70s.

[Jay]

Right, totally true.

[MCG]

And one of the longest running sitcom from the 70s until I think a recent sitcom kind of dethrone it, but it was the longest one in sitcom TV for a long time. And in there the main character used the each word for their white person all over the place, and it’s a big laugh. And even something the main character use the N word. Funny enough, if you turn on capturing on the show, they don’t put it with a hard a they put it with the ER from the main character and the main character is black. The main family in the episode is black, so something changed drastically as you come out of the 70s because this should run from the middle 70s to the mid 80s. So as you get into the 80s and 90s something just could change. I don’t know if it was. Rodney King or the LA riots or whatever change. But something should actually change that all of a sudden. Now we are censoring words and I just believe that hey, let people say whatever they want to say. I will choose and censor myself. I don’t think we should be censoring words just because at the end of the day, they’re going to start censoring. The Bible, they go to Saxon. Dream. It was just the other day Nancy Pelosi stand up in the house and say they gotta stop using mother and father and all these gendered terms and those will be censored. So we know, at least to some extent where this censorship can go. Yes, as a society, we can all agree that the N worship may use, but then you’re gonna go much further than that. So I don’t agree with censoring words. And at the end of the day, again, some black people to me are being hypocritical about this thing because they don’t have a problem calling the white person the H word or the C word. Or whatever derogatory words they want to use towards a white person. But if a white person used the N word all of a sudden it did is come off the earth again, I understand. The history understand the history. The black man never necessarily have, at least in North America, that the black man never had the white man in slavery. But if you go back, they were always slavery between tribals and racial groups and everything and way back in history. At least we have two episodes that we did. Those episodes were the Bible and slavery. And then we have about 6 episodes on Black Life matter. We have episode 3, Episode 4, Episode 8, Episode 2730, and 56 all about black life. Mother. And then we have episode 91 and 92, slavery, the Bible and Christians that we talk about. Some of these things. So if you want to go back, listen to them, feel free to do so. But I don’t think that, hey, yes, we can all agree that the N word is despicable. But at the same time, I still don’t think it should be censored to some extent when it comes to freedom of speech, live and let live. If you think someone is nasty and whatever case may be, maybe you don’t want to be friends with them. Maybe don’t listen to their content, but to censor them. I have a.

[Jay]

Different opinion. One question that I would ask is how much does? Our outlook on the future affect how we feel about censorship and the words that we use, particularly among Christians. So, for example, the post millennial would say that it is our duty as Christians to advance and establish the Kingdom here on Earth. Until Christ returns, and so the laws should reflect what thus sayeth. Lord. And so we should be pushing for the type of laws that would outlaw inappropriate speech that would outlaw obvious things contrary to the 10 commandments, such as abortion, murder, things of those nature. Whereas the pre millennial would more than likely take the position of hey. Let everyone say what they’re going to say. Don’t do the censorship thing and we are essentially going to keep it like that until Jesus comes back to set everything straight. And so I suppose your eschatology has a bit to do with that as well.

[MCG]

I don’t see. Oh, I don’t see how that has a plan. Anything in this respect, I really don’t. I think at the end of the day, if you want to say, OK, as Christians, I think we can go to the scripture. Of course, the Bible says that you have your speech be always your grace and see with thought. So if you’ve been led by the Holy Spirit, you’re gonna send some of the words that come out your mouth. Some of the thoughts that could come into your mind and stuff like that. And at the end of the James have a I’m with a complete chapter. James habit. You have a complete chapter on the tongue and what they can do. So I don’t see how eschatology has anything to do with this. Of course, in matching Jesus talk about for out of the heart of men perceive what. Evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness and blasphemies, and stuff like that. The Bible says as you think it has. So you see. So I don’t think that end times have anything to do with this whatsoever.

[Jay]

Let me go backwards. Not necessarily end times, but because of your view of the end times, that would affect how you move and be behave in the world.

[MCG]

I don’t think. I don’t think that has anything to do.

[Jay]

Today.

[MCG]

Has anything to do with your speech and how you speak?

[Jay]

I’d like to go back to what the second lady said, the one that confirmed that she was a racist, and I understand that in that particular exchange with Pierce Morgan, she was simply, well, I don’t want to assume, but it sounds like she was taking on the racist. So simply because people would call her racist because she feels like white unity is the answer. It’s kind of like how a lot of conservatives reacted to Hillary Clinton’s deplorable comment. And so they began to wear the deplorable title or description more proudly, in order to mock her and to say, well, yeah, I guess you want to call me deplorable. Go ahead and call me deplorable. I want to go back to what she said though, because proverbs 15, verse one through 2 says that a soft answer turns away wrath. But when you say a harsh word, it stirs up anger she equated. Shilo, hendricks’s. Actions, along with the subsequent support for her on gifts and go as backlash as quote white people fighting back *** for tat, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. And So what she’s saying that’s coming. Completely out of her mouth. It’s completely anti Christian. It’s not even conservative, I would say. But we’ve said multiple times on this podcast, a war. Being that Christians should not confuse their conservatism with their Christianity, because embraced too far, embraced too strongly, you end up with words like hers. You end up with a mentality like hers. They already are talking about something called black fatigue, where not just white people, but society as a. Whole are getting so sick of these so-called air quotes, black people and their entitlement and the Black Lives Matter and the intersectionality and the poor behavior and all of these different things. One thing I would like to just point at is to be careful when that kind of thinking creeps in. You can easily start to think of other people. As less than you will easily begin to forget to see the image of God in every single person. That’s including the so-called black person that you think is behaving a certain way when Shiloh Hendricks said in that clip when she was being confronted by the man that was recording her. And he said, why did you call that child the N word? And she said, oh, he’s behaving like 1. And those few words. She revealed the state of her heart, where she’s already classified this child as a particular type of. Person a particular class of person already a less than, and I hear that same attitude in this second commentator right here, not the first lady, but the second lady that wore the racism.

[MCG]

I think her name is Lily. Gladys goddess goddess.

[Jay]

Lily. Gladys gaddis. Lily gaddis. She sounds just like Shiloh Hendrix. And that is a sinful and dangerous place for anyone to be. The Bible is very clear. That well, let me go back and say that even Jesus set the example when he was reviled, he didn’t revile back. The Christian would not behave or speak in those ways.

[MCG]

Will, should not the Christian should not behave in that?

[Jay]

Way no one should behave in that.

[MCG]

Way. Well, that’s true, but I’m just saying yes to the Christian will not.

[Jay]

Amazon. Ohh. Like there are Christians that would. Well, that’s another conflict. That’s another conversation to be had for.

[MCG]

Probably.

[Jay]

Sure. Our pastor always says that we shouldn’t be surprised when the world is behaving like the world. Well, when Christians are behaving like the world and they’re failing to hold up the truth of scripture, we should be absolutely appalled. And of course, those aren’t his exact words, but the same idea here is that just a warning. As Christians, we can be sick. I am over. The discussion of race and racial tension and political turmoil in this country. I’m over it. I see how futile it is to engage in that continual cesspool. But we should be careful not to allow our being weary of the situation to allow us to slip into thinking like Shiloh, Hendrix or like Lila. What’s her name? Liz. Lily. Lily. Lily gaddis. That’s a very dangerous and sinful path to go down.

[MCG]

Well, you mentioned black fatigue and I’m hearing two different definitions of black fatigue on one side. They’re saying black fatigue is black, people saying that they’re tired of being. In victimized kind of being racially profiled, tired of being all these things and the other side is saying what you said. We’re tired of black people getting privileges. We’re tired of them complaining, blah, blah, blah. So I don’t even know what the term black fatigue truly means because.

[Jay]

That’s actually true. I didn’t. I hadn’t heard the 1st. Definition that you mention.

[MCG]

Because both sides are using it, but at the end of the day, Lily, that is. While I do agree that to some degree. That the white person, especially the last couple of years, have taken the bitter end of the stick in terms of many things that happen in society that they’ve been blamed for when they shouldn’t and yes. There have been racism towards white people. Sure. Yes, they have been, but I don’t think her solution is the answer. Actually, I know it’s not the answer, but anyway let me continue.

[Lilly Gaddis]

I guess so. I don’t really care. I mean, why are we? Why are we not talking about Shiloh Hendricks? Why are we talking?

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Well, actually I think you’ve moved. You’ve moved it on in this debate very quickly to your own racism, which explains why you’ve supported her in public and why you’ve got all these views. You see no problem with a woman shrieking the N word repeatedly because you yourself.

[Lilly Gaddis]

About if I’m racist.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Are a despicable racist and you’ve just proudly admitted that with a smug grin on your face. Which is pretty horrifying actually, for most people to have to watch and shame on you, you’re entitled to do it, and I’m entitled to call you despicable.

[Lilly Gaddis]

Well, shame on white people for allowing themselves to be just systematically discriminated against in the United States. This is our country. This is a a country that should be minority.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

What do you mean your country?

[Lilly Gaddis]

Because I’m white and my ancestors.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Well, there are no black people in American history. Is that what you’re saying? That they’ve all just landed in America, invading you? Your your white country? Is that is that your position?

Yes.

[Jay]

She’s insufferable. She’s insufferable. I feel the blood in my veins boiling, listening to her speak.

[MCG]

Well, let me finish. I think she is. Lack of a better term. Trolling pays them all good. Of course, we only playing the audio view active video which will be LinkedIn. The show notes I could be wrong. I’m not the body language expert reading somewhat body language, but to some extent I think she’s trolling pales Morgan similar to what you said. Just kind of saying yes, yeah, I’m a racist. Whatever case may be is she maybe. Is I’m not gonna pass the judgment, but I think to some extent, she. Might be chilling.

[Jay]

I don’t think this is trolling. I think she’s saying exactly what she is and what she believes because trolling. Granted, there’s an art to trolling, but trolling is simply putting the person that you’re engaging with in a position to behave in such a way to prove your point. That’s what trolling is. She’s gone beyond. The level of trolling now to say things like shame on white people for allowing this racism against us to continue, and then goes on to say things like this is our country. Well, no ma’am, it’s not your. Country it’s our country. And So what I mean by that is that I mean see, I guess she told me because now she has me sounding like people on the intersectional people on the left, before this country is a melting pot of many, many different groups of people, the Native Americans that were here before the Europeans came. The Europeans that came over and the Europeans that fled some of the circumstances that were prevalent in Europe at the time and. And here the Africans and the other people that were brought here and enslaved the immigrants from China and from other countries that escaped here in order to fight, they mean this is not just what she said is our country, which is. This is why I believe that she’s gone beyond trolling here and she’s simply revealing the state of her heart. Matthew 1236 says I tell you.

On the day of judgment, people will give account for every careless word that they speak. The Bible also talks about. I’m paraphrasing.

[MCG]

Not version of the Barbie reading from there. OK, go ahead.

[Jay]

Therapy. Racing. Ohh my goodness, I’m paraphrasing. Just spitting it out as I remember it. OK, she’s gone beyond the level of trolling there, and so I think she’s revealing exactly what’s in her heart. Matthew 1511 talks about it’s not what goes into your mouth that defiles you. It’s what comes out of your mouth and it reveals the state of your heart. When you say things like that. You’re just revealing there’s a window into what you’re actually thinking, what you actually believe. So she may have at the beginning been trolling Piers Morgan and and repurposing the label of racist in order to prove. Point I think she’s gone beyond that now and has shown that she actually believes these things and is actually racist or white supremacist, and I don’t put that label on people very lightly because it’s been thrown around in recent years. If you happen to look at someone wrong, you’re a racist, you’re a bigot. You’re this year or that. So I don’t throw that term. Around lightly. But when I listen to her speak, she strikes me as completely insufferable, and I think that she believes what she’s saying. And so she’s beyond the realm of trolling. She’s I would be comfortable labeling her, or at least suspecting that she was of the white supremacy flavor.

[MCG]

Yeah, I don’t know. I personally scale of 1 to 10 being 10, being she’s a total racist and one being. She’s not a racist. I’ll probably be at.

[Jay]

The six. Ohh my you are generous.

[MCG]

She’s probably racist. I don’t know. I just couldn’t.

[Jay]

I’m eight and a half nine right now.

[MCG]

I just couldn’t read just the body language and everything. I think pays. Morgan has kind of been holier than thou somewhat. With her now that. Is and feel?

[Jay]

It’s true. She’s trying to evoke some type of conscience, some type of shame on her and she’s like, Nope, that’s not gonna work on me. I can definitely see that.

[MCG]

Right.

Yeah. So I think I think that’s what probably is triggering some of this. So I would say 6, just because she’s clearly agreeing with. But if she and I should speak privately and she said, you know what, I’m not. I just don’t like certain behaviors. And everybody can agree with that. So anyways, we continue.

[Lilly Gaddis]

Well, I mean, they were brought here technically we didn’t.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

My God, do you understand how dumb you sound?

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

This is stupid. This is stupid and racist, and at some point we have to ask ourselves, we want to reward this kind of disgusting behavior by by platforming it. It’s it’s it’s historically.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

I don’t disagree, Mark. I don’t listen. I didn’t know she was gonna say that. I don’t disagree with you.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

No, no, no. Yeah. Yeah, I’m with you. I don’t think you know ahead of time. I’m saying at this moment someone who’s saying it’s technically black people. Technically, Africans were in were stolen, enslaved, and they built this country. And the idea that you can.

[MCG]

You see? Then again why I said don’t agree with everybody. Totally because we’re black people stolen from Africa.

[Jay]

Yes, they were. Yes, they were.

[MCG]

Stolen by whom?

[Jay]

By both white people and Africans as well.

[MCG]

Remember. Remember, most white people that went into Western Africa didn’t survive because their diseases they weren’t accused. Hunter, most of the slaves were actually prisoners of tribal war or in tribal fighting that were sold to the Europeans. Yes, at a certain point, the Europeans stopped going in land, and we’re just.

[Jay]

Yes. And before that point.

[MCG]

Buying slave. So what I’m saying is when are we going to start blaming the West African leaders? Slavery. Some of the families in West Africa are still rich to this day because of generational wealth from slavery.

[Jay]

Yes, and many of the people in Europe are rich to this day because of the wealth generated by slavery. So yes, we absolutely will hold the Africans. Let me just finish this thought. We absolutely will hold them responsible for slavery. But the European colonizers are equally equally responsible.

[MCG]

Yeah, that’s true. But I’m. My point is this. That’s not my point. My point is that he’s totally putting the blame on the white.

[Jay]

What was your?

[MCG]

Man.

[Jay]

Well, he’s Mark Lamont Hill though.

[MCG]

Matter. He doesn’t matter without.

[Jay]

You know, so we know that he thinks that white people are the cause of everything.

[MCG]

The. Help of the West African earth slavery, the triangular trade between Europe, the Caribbean and America would be impossible.

[Jay]

I think that’s a stretch. I don’t. Think it would.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

It.

[Jay]

Be it would be more difficult and it would take a longer time for it to be as profitable. But there is absolutely no way they would have let.

[MCG]

Difficult to the point. Difficult to the point that they would not be able to do it at the extent that they did.

[Jay]

It, I agree.

[MCG]

Essentially, would have been significantly reduced, especially if the African nations had said no because. Again, go listen to episode 91 and 92, significantly reduced to the point where it probably would have just been a blip in history that Europeans tried to kidnap black people from Africa and it didn’t work because the Africans fought back. It was the Africans in my book that are majority to be blamed because they don’t want who sell their own people. Well, again, and they said their own people, but that’s not true, because what it is, it was tribes. And if you weren’t part of their tribe, you’re not their people. So their people was necessarily the color of their skin. We boil it down to the color of our skin, which is wrong. They boil it down to the tribes. They’re the one who was selling people. So who is to be blamed? I would say of course, I think the blame of the go on your parents to some extent, but I would put majority of the blame on the Africans. They’re the one who sold their own people caught on a call. If you want to put it that way, even though they don’t really see it as their own people. Because you might be from a different tribe. So the enablers is to be blamed. Well, you know what the old Saint said? The enabler is worse than the thief.

[Jay]

So then the population in Europe that absolutely wanted this cheap labor, the free labor that wanted the. Trigger that wanted all of these things. They’re enabling what I’m saying is the blame is equally spread everywhere where where? Mark Lamont Hill goes wrong is that naturally based on his ideological positioning, he places the blame squarely and solely on white people, and he almost never acknowledges the role that Africans.

[MCG]

I’m not saying that there’s no blame to be placed in Europe. I I disagree with the equal.

[Jay]

Had in the transatlantic slave trade, however, to put a majority of the blame on the enablers, we have to realize that there were enablers in both camps. There would not be a slave trade if there was not demand in Europe and in North America for the sugar, for the cotton, for the fill in the blank. So.

[MCG]

And there would not be. And the same is true for if the Africans didn’t sell the prisoners from different tribes. That’s true. And again, because of the disease that will wipe out the white man so quickly when they step foot on land in a. It would have been significantly reduced. It was made extremely easier for them to swap mirrors and whatever else that they gave the African people for slaves. Then if they had to go inland in Africa, hunt them down and bring. I’m not saying some of that didn’t happen. They did do some of that, but they found out pretty quickly. That wasn’t the best approach. And again, one of the big reasons was the diseases that didn’t have immunity too. So majority of the slaves were sold to them. Major the slaves were captured. Majority slaves were sold. And if that’s true, the majority of the blame should be placed on the Africans that benefit not only that, as I said, the enabler as the old.

[Jay]

I’m just. Here’s why I disagree with you.

[MCG]

Days go. It’s normally people view it. Worse than the beneficiary.

[Jay]

We just said earlier about something that our pastor said where we shouldn’t be surprised when the world is behaving like the world, but we should be floored when Christians are behaving like the world. The reason why I don’t put all of the blame squarely on the Africans that sold other Africans into slavery.

[MCG]

But let the let the all of the blame, I said most.

[Jay]

I wouldn’t even put most on them because they were. Pagans. They were heathens, behaving like pagans and heathens, the Europeans that initiated the transatlantic slave trade were people enlightened by the Scriptures, Great Society built upon the scriptures. In many ways. I’m not saying that every single person was saved.

[MCG]

I disagree with that. I disagree.

[Jay]

But to say that the scriptures were not the prevailing thought, the prevailing culture, the prevailing means of thought for that particular group in Europe. Would not be, would not be true.

[MCG]

No. Remember, we slavery stat service stack among the Slavic people. At least the earliest history of it, the Slavic people. That’s where the word came from. So before technology tripping, what people used to do, they enslave their own people. We know in the Bible the Book of Genesis, the Egyptian had the Jews in slavery. Yeah. So slavery was a thing that.

[Jay]

OK.

Mm-hmm.

[MCG]

You enslave your neighbor in tribe. You go to war with them, you conquer them and you enslave them. Of course, it went to a different height when the advancement of shipping ships and stuff like that, that they were able to transport them. So this thing is not has to do with whether or not you’re enlightened or not enlightened or whatever the case may be. It was just the morality of the day. We’re judging it today by our stuff. Slavery was commonplace in that society.

[Jay]

That doesn’t make I know you’re not saying this, but that.

[MCG]

Doesn’t make it OK what I’m saying is right, not doesn’t make it OK, right? But that make it ripe. That when the European shows up and say, hey, whatever the case may be, well, they already have all these slaves, you have something that I want, let’s swap. And that again is the majority of where they have.

[Jay]

Come from so purely a business decision, not one guided by any sort of spiritual.

[MCG]

I would say so. It wasn’t. There’s no spiritual nothing. It was more of you have something I want and we make an even trade. So basically the fact that there’s still African families today that have generation, well, because the slavery tell you the same thing. So again, I’m not saying that there’s no blame to be placed on the Europeans and their others that help facilitate it, but.

[Jay]

For biblical parameters.

[MCG]

Me. The enablers are way worse and in my opinion, if the enablers didn’t allow it, it would not be to the extent it became because the white man would not have able to do it. Of course you can make argument, maybe they have superior weapons, but I think that the Africans could have fought them off if they truly didn’t want them to take people from their country to from their country. I truly believe that. Anyways, I guess I’ll let my lemon hill continue.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

Justify calling a baby the N word by saying that white people are losing the country is is absurd. It’s it’s morally bankrupt, and it’s honestly besides the point. I mean, all these other these are just distractions from the fact that she wants to justify dehumanizing and even animalizing a small black child. It’s.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

What is it? I find it.

[Lilly Gaddis]

I never said that. I never said that.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

No, but you you may as well have done, cause you you’re just an unashamed, proud, proud racist. Let me bring in. Let me bring in Myron Gaines. Cause you’ve been smirking and laughing. What? What’s funny about any of this?

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

That’s the implication of your that’s the implication of your argument.

[Miron from fresh and fit]

Well, I mean, I find it interesting that you guys want to virtue signal and you know, wag the finger and say she’s a racist and everything else like this. But I find it.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

No, she admits. She’s a racist.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Let me let me let me.

I’m not wagging a finger at anybody. I don’t need to. But Mary, with respect, Martin, I don’t need to wag a finger when somebody says yeah, I’m racist. I use the N word against black people. I don’t care. That’s a racist. I don’t. I’m not ragging anything. I’m not accusing anybody. She is admitting it proudly.

[Miron from fresh and fit]

Finish.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

My point? She’s self identified as a race, she said. I am a racist.

[Miron from fresh and fit]

Hey, guys. Everyone, everyone isn’t around me.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Even you can’t defend that, surely.

[Miron from fresh and fit]

Here’s the thing. Everybody is racist to some degree. The reality is it the.

[MCG]

No, I disagree with. That. And I think I don’t remember exactly what you gonna say, but I think you’re going to go on to talk about being prejudice or whatever else. Stereotyping. I don’t believe that if you stereotype somebody, you’re racist. I don’t believe if you have prejudice to some degree towards someone that you’re racist, I think I will agree that all of us stereotype people. You know, a funny story. When I was in college, I don’t remember. I was sitting at the table and there were some folks. I think there was a a girl and two guys or whatever from the continent of Africa. I think they were from Kenya. I don’t remember what country they’re from but I. Don’t remember they’re from Africa. And. People sit around the table. Someone asks. You know, one of the Africans you know about lions and tigers and all that stuff, and they start laughing. They say the first time I saw a lion was when I came to America and went to the zoo and remember the girls saying, hey, we don’t step out of our house and there’s a line in our backyard kind of thing. But most of the time when we stereotype. Someone from the Africa? That’s the idea. You’re getting that. They surrounded by deadly snakes and stuff. Even when people stereotype Australians, of all the crazy animals they have over there and stuff like that, I don’t think stereotyping is someone is. It’s. Remember this lady? From where is she from? Nairobi, Kenya. I think she’s from. She’s an author. And she said when she went to Mexico she expected all these kind of things because in the US, the only thing she heard about Mexican is that all of them are trying to get across the border or whatever the case may be. And she was surprised that when she went to a big city in Mexico to see people buying and selling and having fun or whatever. This may be I don’t necessarily think stereotyping people is wrong, especially if you’re not doing it in a malicious way. And just to go back to this lady, she said. Hey, the problem with stereotyping is not that it’s wrong. It is that it is. Complete and I would agree with that. I don’t think having a prejudice somehow is that you’re racist. I think, of course, if you’re racist, you are stereotyping. You have a prejudice. But I think you go a little bit further than that where you actually know, withholding or judging someone maliciously based upon those things. And then of course, a lot of black people will say also you must exhibit some level of power, which I do disagree with. I don’t think you ever have power over someone to be racist towards them. I think you can have ill will towards someone just because of their color of their skin. Of course in US terms because at the time we talk about race, we kind of exclude ethnicity, which in my book is different and that’s why people from the Caribbean like myself. For people from the continent of Africa may have a different view, and my run is actually from the continent of Africa. And he has a different view of that Matt Lamont Hill, who is an African American and the reason why is not the color of the skin, is more culture, because to be African American is not just the color of your skin, but is the culture that you exhibit, is their community and neighborhood that you grew up in and all that stuff. And you have a different view than someone like me. Or someone like Myron, who, though we are black, wasn’t Ray. He’s as African American.

[Jay]

I would say that there is a difference between prejudice and stereotype. I think that prejudice would be like racism, right? If you say you’re prejudice against white people or prejudice against black people, that’s a hip job. What do they say? A A jump, a hop and a skip from being racist? You’re prejudging someone based on some sort of. Superficial or external feature.

[MCG]

I agree. And he didn’t say that, but I don’t think it’s necessary. If caught and called full blown racist. I think all of us have. Some level definitely.

[Jay]

Definitionally, it would have to be right, like if you look at someone, you’re prejudging that they’re going to be a particular way because their skin is black or.

[MCG]

Well, I all I think all of us have. Because they’re yeah, but that doesn’t necessarily have to be something bad, because if you see a six foot 5 athletic bill, black guy, and you assume that he’s got a, he’s got a basketball, no one will say.

[Jay]

Where? Assume basketball. OK, I see. Yeah. OK. I see.

[MCG]

That’s.

[Jay]

I would say that’s more of a stereotype. If it’s not bad, it’s a stereotype. But if it’s bad, it’s.

[MCG]

Prejudice. But I’m just saying, I think being racist has a little bit higher level than just predators and stereotyping.

[Jay]

OK.

[MCG]

Right. That would be my view on that.

This is the Removing Barriers podcast. We will be right back.

[Jay]

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[Miron from fresh and fit]

Depends on a lot of people want to be politically correct. A lot of people want to sit there and say I’m not raising at all. We all have biases. We all have stereotypes. We all make jokes, we all are racist to some degree. Now how racist you are is a whole other situation, but everyone is racist. That’s number one. Next thing I. Want to say? See, I think this Shiloh Hendrickson. Metcalf situation is a microcosm of a much bigger problem, and that bigger problem is what I call systemic organizing and what I mean by this is for decades we’ve had black people literally running around with black supremacy. Committing crimes, not getting accountability for their actions, and then they blame the system for it. For example, George Floyd’s criminal Ferguson criminals, Freddie Gray, Gray criminal. A lot of these people are criminals and winds up happening is they charge a police officer, they get into a physical altercation, things go left, they die. Something happens. Use of forces you is utilized and then they wanna cry about the result when in reality it’s not the police killing black people. It’s black people killing black people. And if you wanna talk about black on white. Violence. Black people kill white people two times as much, and on top of that, most of the shootings in America, a lot of the times are white people killing white cops, killing other unarmed white men. So this whole systemic racism or police brutality or. Ohh, it’s also messed up.

[MCG]

All that is talking about that facts when all this thing happened in 2020, I did some research and in 2019 there was about 1000 folks that were shot and killed by police officers in the United States. 95% I think of that they were armed. So if it dropped 950. Of the folks that were shot by police. Take them out. You’re left with 50 people that were shot and they weren’t armed, at least physically. Have a knife or gun in their hand. And if you look at the percentage of that, it was about 12 of them. I think that were black, about 25 were white and the rest were other race. And even if you go back to the thousand, it was only about 250 of them. That we’re black. So this thing is blown way out of proportion where? That it is true what he’s saying. Not only are white people more likely to be shot by police, their studies have been done by black people. That confirmed that that the police officer will say that they are most likely to shoot at a white person and a black person and statistic FBI statistics show that white police shot more white people than black people. Again, the argument. I mean, those are rod numbers. If you look at the percentage of the population, yes. Because a lot of times people say ohh there are more black people in prison than white people, that’s not true. Again, as a percentage of the population, the percentage of the black people in prison is higher than the percentage of the white people. But if you look at raw numbers, they’re war white people in prison than black people. But of course you’re talking about. 150 million people to about 44 million people, so the population of white is about 150 million in the US, the population of Black is about 45,000,000. So if you go back to the 1000 number, about 2500 of those were black, which will be. About 25%, but about 50% of that will be white. However, you’re talking about out of 45,000,000 and out of 150 million. So that’s where the numbers get mixed up where people say, oh, they’re more black people in prison. No, they’re not. They’re more white people in prison. But as a percentage of the population, the percentage is higher. Because the numbers the population is smaller anyways shall continue.

[Miron from fresh and fit]

The reality is this. Black people been able to get away with a ridiculous amount of privilege in America for a very long time. They’re able to be racist with impunity. They’re able to call white people crackers without being challenged back. And quite frankly, white Americans had enough of it, and the chickens have come to roost. Now. Look, am I saying that’s awesome? Am I saying that’s great? No, but for literally the better part of almost 2 decades since the Obama era. We’ve had to have BLM and liberalism shove down our throats and quite frankly, we’re all. Tired.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Of it, right? But just to be clear, you you would have no problem with one Member of this panel openly saying she uses the N word at black people with impunity and is proud of being a racist. You have no problem with that.

[Miron from fresh and fit]

My worldview on the protection of the 1st Amendment and freedom of speech overrides my personal feelings. She has the right to.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

That’s fine. You know you can support the First Amendment, but you can also have a personal view about what she said.

[Miron from fresh and fit]

Say it and I’ll defend. My feelings are relevant. The Constitution is a constitution. That’s what matters, and I’ll.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

Oh, that’s fascinating. Hold on, hold on. Hold on. Hold on, hold.

[MCG]

So I’m gonna pause my hill there a little. I personally have never had someone use the N word towards me, so I don’t know how I will react or feel towards it. I probably just whatever it in in some respect I know one time the N word affected me. I was coming home from work in a big city and there was a young black guy, clearly homeless, or at least. Appeared to be homeless, dirty clothes, dirty shirt, dirty locks, and he had a sign that he said I don’t remember exactly what the sign said. I don’t remember the phrase. So basically, he was saying, hey, anything would help. Need money for food? Something like that. And then the last line was help. An N word out. From what I can remember. I think he was the ER. Could have been had he said quite clearly remember but didn’t take a picture of it or anything. But I remember. I think it was the ER. I remember thinking about. Why would you use that term about yourself? I felt sorry for him. Everyone put it that way. There was some level of empathy there because he used that word towards. So, but to some degree I agree with my run. Let people say whatever they want to say. Now of course you can make your choices. You can choose the outcome. So if she is a person who loves to use the N word and then maybe society, if we have a decent society, they would not listen to her content and. She will eventually move on if the content making is her bread and butter, or the way she lives or whatever the. Maybe, but I don’t think that the word should be censored, but that’s my view anyway.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

So when it comes to chastising black Americans about their behavior about calling white people crackers, as you say, about their moral claims about the rating system, you can levy a judgment against black Americans. For all the things they do. But when it comes to this woman saying that, saying saying the N word. And this other woman endorsing it and saying that she herself uses the N word. Now all of a sudden we have we can only talk about the Constitution and the legal right. We can’t offer any moral judgment against it. That’s disingenuous and and and and it’s for as the only black.

[Miron from fresh and fit]

American up here that that’s quite frustrating to hear if if you want to be soft and get offended by that, that’s your problem, not mine. Thing.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Let me. Ask Ricky.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

We’re not even. This isn’t about this. This is about being soft anymore than when you were desperately saving these white people.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Let me ask Ricky. Ricky, I want to.

[Miron from fresh and fit]

Actually, you know what, as a matter of fact, hold on. Hold on. This sensitive nature that you have is precisely why we. Have this problem.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

It’s not about being sensitive, it’s about I I I didn’t. I didn’t. I didn’t. I did not take you late. Hold on. Hold on. Let me finish my. Let me speaking and I’ll let you respond. Mark. Myra. I didn’t articulate any sensitivity here when I said in the same way that you levy the judgment against black people, I’m leaving one against the claims you’re making. I’m no more sensitive than you were when you made your claim. I’m simply saying I disagree with you. And to immediately jump to your being sensitive. Is it’s just a, it’s just a distraction. I’m making an argument here. Just respond to my argument.

[Miron from fresh and fit]

Now and and my argument to respond to that. This political correctness liberalism and making sure that we are politically correct and don’t use certain words could offend people. It’s precisely why we’re in the situation that we’re in. For decades, we’ve had to literally tiptoe around saying certain things around certain people while the other group of people has been able to have impunity and be able to be as race as they want to be as violent as they want to be without any type of consequence. And if you call it out, you’re labeled a racist. The reality is this black people don’t wanna live around black people. I don’t wanna live around a bunch of black people. I moved to neighborhoods when it’s majority white, cause I know I’m safe now. This uncomfortable reality, and no one wants to say so. I’ll say it for them. Black people commit a lot of crimes. A majority of the violent crime committed is committed by a small percentage of people, and they. Tend. To be black men. Look, the reality is the reality. People don’t want to say it, but the political correctness and being nice and not want to tell the truth is precisely this problem. And the reason why you’re seeing all the support for Metcalf and Shiloh, et cetera, is because white people have not been able to step up and say what they want to say. For a very long time, because of what I said before, systemic organized, where they don’t take accountability for their decisions.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

All right, let me bring in Ricky.

[MCG]

So again, I don’t totally agree with him, but he has a point. When a black person. In the US, especially those who were brought up in what we call the hood, I’m thinking about the LeBron James of the world when they get money, where do they go to live? They don’t stay among black people. They don’t stay in their community. They don’t buy a home or build a home in the community that they grew up in. They move into the affluent communities and who are the majority of people that live in those affluent communities? White people. So and it’s true even if you don’t go to the 11 James level, there’s a lot of middle class black people that don’t want to live in what AKA the hood, that’s just a.

[Jay]

Fact that has nothing to do with the fact that these people have brown skin. It has to do with the fact that the crime rates are extremely high. So to say that the direct correlation there is simply because of the color of their. Then I don’t agree with that. That’s like saying, well, that’s precisely what they’re saying when they say ohh, well, when you become affluent and when you get money, like Myron was saying, you know, black people don’t want to live among black people, it’s not because they’re black. It’s because of the crime. It’s because of the surroundings. The good schools aren’t there the.

[MCG]

I don’t think he said that, though.

[Jay]

You know, amenities aren’t there, so of course you’re going to move to where things are a little bit nice. This is not a function of the melanin in your skin to make it a function of the melanin in your skin is racist.

[MCG]

So but the question. The question is though, why I would agree that the melanin the skin is not the issue, but the question is why, for instance, about 10 years ago I was delivering pizza and I could tell. When I pull into a community, especially an apartment area where there’s a lot of communal living in terms of, you know, apartment building, you know, 20-30 units or whatever the case may be, IC can tell from time I opened the door into the lobby without seeing anybody, whether this is majority white. Or majority black. Again, I will agree with you. It doesn’t have nothing to do with color of your skin, but when you’re going to deliver pizza at your home and you pull the door to the lobby or you enter the stairway and you’re smelling urine. Something is off because, again, as much as you want to say the white man is keeping us down or, well the case, maybe I don’t think the white man is coming and peeing in the lobby of the majority black apartment complexes. So what is it that we don’t take promise and we because I’m black, even though I don’t identify as African American. Why is it that? That is so much. Much evident, I will agree in that we should rule out the fact that is the color of your skin. Is it poverty? Is it socio? Economical issues? But what is it that even if you look, I grew up in the Caribbean, right? And my mother and even you want to go back to my grandmother. They weren’t rich in any sense of the world. But they can take pride. In what you have without being rich. So even if you live in a area where the homes might not be the best, or they might not, the best upkeep. At least can smell good. There’s things you can control, and why is it that it’s not?

[Jay]

It’s not because their skin has more melanin. This is a culture issue. If you grew up in the backwoods of Appalachia and you came into money, I promise you you’re not going back to the backwards of Appalachia to live. It’s not a function of the melanin in the skin, it’s a cultural issue. That’s exactly what Myron just said, and that’s exactly what he meant.

[MCG]

No one is saying no one is saying there’s a function.

[Jay]

Went black. People don’t want to live among black people. It’s not about the melanin. And I think that as a culture and as Christians, we need to get beyond the fact that God gave some people a ton of melanin and he gave some people not a lot of melanin. We got hung up on this melanin and there is a whole slew of issues underneath like the spiritual. Like the cultural that need to be addressed and for Myron to say these things perpetuates this idea.

[MCG]

OK, So what is it? What is it about the culture? Yeah, but the question is OK. I will agree with you that the melanin has nothing to. With it, but again, you’re still not answer my question. Why? What is it about the culture? What is it about the socioeconomical stuff? Because some of these has nothing to do with where you’re rich or poor. Like, for instance, my example. Just say, well, spelling of urine, what is it that will cause someone who is? Dedicated, at least to some level, at least not illiterate. Someone who is not mentally not dear, someone who is maybe have a job to say. Oh. I need to go to the bathroom. Ohh. Let me go to the back of the stairs and pee in my community that I live in. I’m using that as a light example because there are examples out there. Again, I will give him this majority of the crimes that occur. Black people kill more black people. White people kill more white people. That’s just a fact. Because we cannot live among each other, black people cannot live among black people. We cannot live among white people. So using that as a fact. But of course, he’s right. 2% of the population is kind of responsible for majority of the crimes, but it’s. Is that yes, we can rule out the color of your skin. I agree. With you. But what is it about these communities? If you want to say you bring him Appalachia, what is it about that community that perpetuate drug use and all these things that you see in that area of the world or of the country because they have their own problems too? They might not be that they’re driving by shooting up each other. But they have their problems with dogs and whatever the case may be. But what is? Because we can say it’s not the color of the skin, but there’s definitely something going on there. And I’m not saying that I fully agree with him, but my point is that a lot of black people would not live in a majority black community or move to the hood to live when they can afford not to live there. That’s my point. And then they have to ask yourself. Then why?

[Jay]

I don’t understand the question. Why is Skid Row the way that? It is. Why are the slums the way that they are? It’s no different from a so-called black ghetto. Why is it the way that it is? All of those are the same question, and none of them are a function of melanin in the skin. None of them. That’s why I don’t agree with what he said. I know you just agreed and said that, you know, we could take the race out of it.

[MCG]

But the thing but The thing is, I don’t think he’s saying it because of melanin in the skin. I think he was a.

[Jay]

Literally, said black people don’t want to live. Among black people and.

[MCG]

That’s true. I think that he was just given the fact.

[Jay]

And that’s given within the context of saying that black people are running around.

[MCG]

I think you’re reading between the lines a little bit too much.

[Jay]

No. If within the context of him saying that black people are running around and being racist with impunity, and white people are sick of it, he’s saying the same thing the other what’s her name again? Whatever her name is this Lily goddess. He’s saying the exact same thing she’s saying, and I’m saying the same thing about him that I said about her. They’re both wrong. They’re reasoning behind what they’re saying is wrong.

[MCG]

Lily got it.

[Jay]

It sounds. Right. It sounds right, because on the surface you do see black people moving away from the ghetto when they get a little bit of money. You do see that black people are are racist or whatever it is, he said. I can’t. I don’t remember the verbiage of what he said, but I don’t agree that it’s a function of the fact that I don’t think it’s because they’re black now. There are bad actors that will link that, that bad. Part of the culture. The blackness.

[MCG]

Yeah, but again, I don’t think he said because they’re black. That’s the part I’m kind of disagreeing with. I think he was just laying out facts, of course, as evident by my questioning, the reason why. Is a little bit deeper. Of course. You list some of them. You could be spiritually, could be socioeconomically. It could be culturally, could be a lot of other stuff. It could be government programs, it could be socialism, it could be so many other things that are causing this thing. Of course, the ultimate reason is the human sinful nature. We know that. But the point remains that the numbers. That if the numbers don’t lie, that point remain that a lot of black people at least let me put it this way, the educated well off middle class and above. Truth deliberately not to live there and actively try not to live there.

[Jay]

Everybody is trying to not actively live in their slums. I promise you. It’s not just black people. Myron Gaines. And I will say this as well. The reason why I’m trying to tease this out is because when we talk like this, we’re creating a culture that makes it OK to look at people and have. A prejudice, A predisposition to assume that a person is a certain way simply. Because their skin is a certain color, that’s what made it possible for someone to say to me when I was speaking in a church gathering. Ohh, I’m surprised. I think you speak well. What is the underlying comment there? That because I’m black, I’m supposed to speak Ebonics. That’s what I’m saying, Myron. Gays will say these things and the other lady gets whatever her name is. We’ll say these things. Hates the culture that makes it OK to approach people in the spirit of prejudice. That’s what I’m getting at.

[MCG]

OK. Well, we shall continue.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Key to respond, Ricky?

[Rikki Schlott]

Yeah, I mean, I wanted to say that I I agree that virtue signaling went too far, that political correctness went too far. But we’re going from virtue signaling being the norm and being praised to now vice signalling being the norm and being praised. It’s not just a matter of does this woman have the right to use that word? I believe that she has the right. I disagree with it. But is she now being rewarded with a half $1,000,000? Are we rewarding people? People for for performing vice instead of virtue. This is not healthy. This is destructive to our society. This is destructive to our our social fabric, to our culture, to our ability, to live with other fellow Americans. It’s gross to reward someone for bad behavior. It’s one thing to tolerate it, to say that she has the right to do it. But she called an autistic 5 year old. The N word like I’m sorry, but I feel like we’re kind of like missing the point in the actual context. You can say that it’s it’s part of this bigger meta story of black and white America, but it actually is just like a short little clip. And you don’t even.

[Jay]

I agree with. Her. She’s the first lady. This book great. I agree with her. And I think Mark Lamont Hill was right to call Myron out on this too, because he was going on and on about how black people are racist with impunity, and they’re using these different derogative terms for white people. But then when it came to the issue with Shiloh Hendrix. Ohh. You know, First Amendment my feelings are irrelevant. Well, which one is it, Myron gains. It can’t be one or the other. If your feelings are irrelevant as a result of the Constitution, then your feelings have to be irrelevant in regards to the Constitution when it comes to black people using derogative terms for white. People as well.

[MCG]

Well, I would agree with that. I think Matt Norman has. Would call him out and died. And I agree with that call out because he was expressing feeling on both sides, but he didn’t care about one. But the argument could be made that his feelings about one side has to do with maybe because he’s black. But anyways, Long story short, I do agree that Matt Damon Hill did right call him out correctly on that.

[Jay]

Right. And I think what she said is very true. This is what I just said for us to be debating on whether or not it’s OK for people to say or speak these terrible words freely. Again, we’re missing the forest for the trees. Shiloh Hendricks felt that it was OK. A to call a boy the N word, a small boy. The N word because he was doing something that offended her and she justified it by saying ohh. He’s acting like one that very term acting like 1. Like what? There’s this prejudice there that this is how this group of people behave. And that’s what I’m getting at. We’re creating a situation in our country, in our culture, amongst one another, where I’m concerned raising 4 black men, little boys. That they’re going to walk around naturally, they’re naturally going to be exposed to the evil in this world. I get that. But as Christians and as the adults in the room, can we not find a better way to interact with one another so that the environment, the temperature, the air that we’re breathing, the water that we’re swimming in is a little less toxic? It’s a little less likely for someone. To feel that she’s justified in calling someone such a terrible name, and I think the only way that we can get there is through the gospel. I think all of these arguments that the people are talking about on the panel are ultimately futile because they’re trying to solve a spiritual issue with. Cultural tools or legal tools, or? Yeah. And so This is why I said earlier that I’m so over this because they’re not going to come to a solution. In fact, being that this is the Piers Morgan uncensored show, they’re just gonna start going at each other, talking over each other. And nothing gets solved. Meanwhile, the racism.

[MCG]

Now we’ll do that.

[Jay]

News prejudice continues. The Black Lives Matter nonsense, the intersectionality, all that nonsense that we speak out against at removing barriers continues and it’s never solved. And our children are growing up in this toxic sludge when we’re supposed to be establishing and creating a better world for them.

[MCG]

Alright, well, let’s continue.

[Rikki Schlott]

The context of it, and it’s actually gross and if we can’t just say that it’s gross. And bad. Then I don’t really know where we are.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

I think the, I mean, it’s interesting to me that Lilly, Gattis, you, you retweeted Nick Fuentes, the white supremacy. Just uh, by saying black, he said. Black people just raised $500,000 for cold blooded killer who stabbed a white teenager to death. I don’t wanna hear one word about the Shiloh Hendricks fundraiser. Everyone either. Everyone gets to be tribal or nobody does. Why would you retweet that?

[Lilly Gaddis]

Because I agree with it because we have to fight fire with fire. I mean, at some point why? Why are Jewish?

[Miron from fresh and fit]

Yeah.

[Rikki Schlott]

Well, but nobody does.

[Jay]

Jesus Christ came to destroy that whole mentality of tribalism. He didn’t come to save a particular group. Of people praise God that he didn’t stop with revealing himself to the Jewish people. Thank God the Gentiles got a few of the scraps that fell from the master’s table and. I am almost 300% sure I’ll say 299.99% sure that the second lady got it. Would call herself a Christian, would identify herself as a Christian. I’m sure she would.

[MCG]

Well, we’ll find out.

[Jay]

I guess we’ll find out.

[Lilly Gaddis]

Why aren’t Jewish people allowed to be tribal? Why are black people allowed to be tribal, but as soon as white people stand up for themselves, we’re labeled a racist? And by the way, you call people racist when you want them to stop talking about things, race, racing, literally racist.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

No, no. I called you a racist because you admitted you were racist. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Hang on. I I called. Just to be clear, just to be clear, I called you a racist because you openly, proudly admitted you’re a racist. So it wasn’t a question of exposing you or pointing my finger or trying to get this out of you. You proudly sat there bold as brass and said, yeah, I use the N word all the time against black people. I’m a racist. And I’m proud of it. That’s what you did.

[Lilly Gaddis]

Racism. Racism is just having a preference. I prefer not to live around black people. I prefer not to.

[MCG]

No, it’s not. It’s not just a preference anyways.

[Jay]

Told her she showed her true colors. That’s not trolling. That’s racism. But OK.

[Lilly Gaddis]

Live in a country where white people in our country are disproportionately attacked by black people. Where in my country you can have an Austin Metcalf where he asked a guy to leave and he gets stabbed. In the heart, I prefer that. That’s a preference. Now what a real racist is, in my opinion is seeing someone as less human. I’m a Christian. I believe everyone’s creating a God’s image.

[Jay]

I called it. I called it. No, lady, you’re not OK. I shouldn’t say that because I don’t know.

[MCG]

Well, not every Christian is safe. So.

[Jay]

But. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, a lot of people say, Lord, Lord, but they wouldn’t be able to tell Jesus from Adam. See, this is another reason why we’re concerned about Christians confusing their conservatism with their Christianity. And This is why perhaps a lot of people who are not saved look at the Republican Party or look at people like her and equate. That with Christian and that’s something that I think as Christians we need.

[MCG]

To be aware of, but. Well, the church has all the blame to. Be. Placed there though because anyways.

[Jay]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Lilly Gaddis]

So I don’t see anyone as less human, but that doesn’t mean I’m not allowed to have a preference and say I don’t like what happens to be coming out of this community or that community. How is that a bad thing? How is? That not just a preference.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

Because you’ve literally made black people sound lesser humans, you don’t wanna live around them. You wanna use the N word in relation to them or word that you know causes that community unbelievable offence.

[Lilly Gaddis]

Is that my fault? Is that my fault? If they have bad behavior, if they want? To act in a certain way, if I have to cross the street and be afraid that.

[Jay]

They, they they, she’s already othered them. She has already put so-called air quotes, black people in their own category. They she sounds just like Shiloh Hendrix exactly the same.

[Lilly Gaddis]

Maybe because of the crime statistics that are very real, by the way, is that my fault, or is that their fault for having bad behavior?

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

It’s it’s it’s that’s mind boggling to me for for, for multiple reasons. I mean we’re we’re talking about.

[Jay]

I am so frustrated at this because I’m having to agree with Mark Lamont Hill. Do you know how much pain this causes me? I’m having to agree with Mark Lamont Hill. Hey, but goodness does she feel that way about the significant number of inbreeding that happens and whatever area of the country? Let me fill in the blank. I won’t even have to say it. Do you feel the same way about that or is it specific types of behavior, specific types of sin that set you off? Or are you, like many people in this country, like the people that we speak against in this country so hung up on the issue of melanin in the skin? That that’s how you’re approaching things. She’s being disingenuous.

[MCG]

She probably is. Besides the fact that I disagree with her. And of course, again, Matt Lamont Hill going to give some good points against what she’s saying here. And of course, as I said earlier, I don’t agree with anyone fully, but I don’t disagree with anyone fully neither. But I think she’s a little bit off her rocker in some of these things, but again, not arguing against the numbers because again.

[Jay]

Hmm.

[MCG]

I think the numbers speak. For themselves. But when he starts saying it is because.

[Jay]

I don’t think the.

[MCG]

They are black. That’s where I’ve.

[Jay]

Numbers OK. Issue I don’t think the numbers speak for themselves. I really believe that if you took perhaps any group of people and you put them in some of the conditions that so-called black people find them in right now. The sin, the flesh will rear its ugly head just as terribly so.

[MCG]

I yeah. But I don’t think the issues would be identical.

[Jay]

No, no, no. The issues wouldn’t be identical, right? Because we’re all so unique and we all have our cultures and some of the most horrendous things that are present in every culture will be exacerbated if you put it in the same pressure cooker. The terrible things about so-called air quotes, black culture, you and I don’t believe in that term, but for the sake of conversation would rear its ugly head just as much as it would rear its head on Skid Row just as much as it would rear its head and backwards apology or whatever. And I’m not saying backwards, Appalachia, so as to denigrate the people that live there. I’m talking about the so-called slum low class. Areas that people would label as such the undesirable areas, the areas that people move out of because they’re trying to get away from that. If you put people in that particular scenario. The sin nature is going to blossom. Why is this a surprise? It’s not a function of where they’re from or the melanin in their skin. It’s a function of the sin nature, and that’s what she doesn’t get. That’s what she doesn’t get. That makes her a racist because she’s pinning it on their ethnicity or on their whatever on their skin color, and not on the heart issues that make this such a problem.

[MCG]

Well, anyways, Matt Lamont Hill continues.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

Bad behavior, you know. We’ve never lynched you. We’ve never enslaved you. We’ve never done any of the the deep seated structural forms of injustice to.

[Jay]

And then Mark Lamont Hill goes and takes it way back to slavery and every none of them have the solution. OK, I’m done. Sorry. Let’s continue.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

People that white people have have done to black people and. Yet to claim some kind of moral superiority in the midst of and again in the context of a conversation where a white woman is calling A5 year old autistic child the N word, and we’re talking about black people’s bad behavior. This is absurd, and the idea of fighting fire with fire again is a dishonest argument just to take us back to the point here, the people who are supporting Carmelo Anthony’s campaign. Believe that he was wrongfully charged and trying to get him legal defense. The people who are defending. This woman are saying yes, we know you called the five year autistic Black Child the N word and we want more of it. We approve of it, we support it. These are not the same thing. And it’s bonkers to me that we couldn’t all stand and say hey, it is wrong to call.

[Jay]

I think that Mark Lamont Hill is also making a mistake here that generalizing that everyone that donated to Carmelo Anthony. His go fund me is doing so just because they want to help him with his self-defense and everyone that’s donating to Shiloh. Hendrix is only doing it because they’re racist. That’s an overgeneralization that doesn’t help things. There are many people that are donating to Carmelo Anthony simply because he’s black and they want to support him in that particular front and because he killed a white boy, they feel like he should be. You know, black people rallied together and there are people that are supporting Shiloh because they’re like, ohh man, you have to move out of there because you just said the N word and folks are gonna come after you here, here, some money. Let me help you move out. So he’s over generalizing the groups of people that are supporting these two and that doesn’t help the way that he’s doing it is muddying the waters and that doesn’t help.

[MCG]

Yeah, I would agree. I think we kind of said this. Yeah, but yeah, everybody would come and Anthony have this pure intention and everyone else would challenge you have an evil intention. I don’t think that’s the case. Yeah. Even though I, as I said before, I don’t think the comparison is even fear because one, you’re talking about someone who potentially murdered someone. And we’re talking about someone who admitted that they.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[MCG]

Call A5 year old kid. The N word right so.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

A5 year old autistic black child. The N word I mean mark, let me just ask you that question. I think this is a yes or no question. Correct me if I’m wrong. Do you think the woman? Was wrong to do what she did to that child in that park.

[Miron from fresh and fit]

I don’t. I don’t approve of that. But what I will say is that it’s very important to understand the entire context of what led us to this position, because again, Metcalf and Hendrix is a microcosm of a much larger problem. Earlier, we’re talking about tribalism. When you’re mentioning Nick fence this tweet, here’s the thing. Black people could be as tribal as they want to be. You have people like Tariq Nasheed, Doc Dumar Johnson running around about black power and married. Black woman and keep it in the hood and all this other stuff. But if white people assemble and say, you know what, white power we need to keep our nation white, they’re immediately ostracized and labeled as supremacist and they get banned off every single platform. I find that interesting and matter of fact, you went ahead and you might.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

He said that the same thing.

[Miron from fresh and fit]

No, no, actually it is the same thing. Cause here’s the problem. With black people.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

No, it’s not.

[Miron from fresh and fit]

It’s hold on. Let me let me finish this black people practice it. Very racist and they cry about you guys can gather together and say Black Lives Matter black power. But if white people get together and say white power gather together, they’re considered white supremacist and they get banned off every single platform. Why is that? Jared Taylor and Nick Fuentes are banned off every platform. For practicing white nationalism, but black people are allowed to stand every single platform. Getting interviews on breakfast.

[MCG]

Club. Yeah, I probably agree. Right. Because quite honestly, if they had a show called whitish as they had a show called blackish, there would have been a lot of backlash. If they had a TV station called White Internet Television, just like they have black entertainment, television or BET, there would be an issue. If they had a movement called White Lives Matter as compared to the Black Lives Matter, they would be an issue. So I definitely agree with him.

[Jay]

Mm-hmm. I’d like to hear.

[MCG]

Yeah, even though I do agree, a lot of other things, he said.

[Jay]

Yeah. I’d like to hear why Mark Lamont Hills thinks they’re not the same thing. I think they are. I think it’s racism of every stripe and he seems to think it’s different. I’d like to hear. Why he thinks that?

[Miron from fresh and fit]

Explain that to me. There’s a 2 tier situation here where a black neighbor to benefit off of being racist while whites are not. And what we’re dealing with right now in America. Is literally a backlash to this. Black supremacy has been able to run around unchecked for a long time, and no one has the balls to call it out. Here’s the thing, I wanna say everyone’s flipping out over Shilo. Hendrix is saying the N word.

[Marc Lamont-Hil]

Hey, can I talk to the?

[Miron from fresh and fit]

Point you just made though. No, no, no. Hold on, hold on. Nobody flipped out like this when the United States was getting destroyed in 2020 because of black protests destroying every liberal city in America. So I don’t wanna. Hear it? About ohh this she made 5100. Those consider that word. Who cares? They destroyed billions of dollars of structure because someone got killed. Who was their criminal? That’s the problem in America. You guys get a privilege that no one else gets to enjoy. You could. OK. And so so.

[Piers Morgan Uncensored]

All right, I have to hang on. Hang on. I’ve gotta hold it there. We. We’ve got another guest joining us. Mark. I’ll come back to you to respond to that in a moment. But we’ve been joined now by Jacob Wells. He’s a Christian, founder of the Give send go donation site that both campaigns have been hosted on.

[MCG]

All right, so there you have it. I’ll just end with some scripture verses Colossians 4, verse six. Let your speech be always with grace and season with thought that you may know how he ought to answer every. 9 and of course, James Chapter 3, verse 2 to 11 for in many things we have offended all. If anyone offend not in Word the same is a perfect man and able author to bridle the whole body. Behold we put bits in the horses’s mouth that they may obey us, and we turn about their whole body. Behold also the ships. Which, though they be so great and are driven by fierce winds. Yet at the turn about with a very small him whatsoever the governor listed. Even so the tongue is a little member and boasted great things. Behold how great a matter a little fire kinglet. And the tongue is a fire, a whirl of iniquity. So is a tongue among our Members that it defiled the whole body and set it on fire. The course of nature that is set on fire of hell for every kind of beasts and of birds, and of their parents, and of things in the sea, is stained and had been tame of mankind. But the tongue can no mountain. This is unruly. Full of deadly poison they will bless we God, even the father, and deal with curse. We men, which are made after the Similitude of God, out of the same mouth, proceeded blessing and cursing my brethren. These things ought not so to be. Though the fountain send forth at the same place Sweetwater and bitter. Then I think of Matthew 15 and verse 19 for out of the heart proceeded evil thoughts. Murders, adultery, fornication, teeth, false witness, blasphemies, and your marriage 17 verse 19 or 20. The heart is his feet full above all things and desperately wicked who can know it? I don’t know. Search the heart. I tried the reins even to every man according to his ways. And according to the fruit of his doing. And I also proverbs 23 and verse 7 for as he thinketh in his heart. So is he. So those are some verses on the heart and on the tongue and then speech from the Bible. A wise man once said your beliefs becomes your thoughts, your thoughts becomes your words, your words becomes your actions, your actions becomes your habits, your habits becomes your values and your values become your destiny. So I’ll just. And with that. Hey, even though I’m sitting here saying that I think people should be allowed to say whatever they want to say, I think as Christians that the Bible does call us to control our tongue and not to be directly offensive. So what is the N word F word S word, the H word or the C word or whatever the word that will directly offend someone maybe might be best that. We don’t have those in our vocabulary.

[Jay]

And to just tack on to what you said, Galatians 513 says for brethren, you have been called unto liberty only used, not liberty, for an occasion to the flesh, but by love, serve one another.

[MCG]

Alright, so that was Part 1. We’re going to finish this episode in. 2.

[Jay]

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[MCG]

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