Episode 205
This episode is a continuation of the reaction to Piers Morgan’s conversation with a panel about Shiloh Hendrix calling a 5-year old autistic boy the N-word. Piers interviews Jacob Wells, CFO and cofounder of GiveSendGo, the crowdfunding platform that found success as an alternative to GoFundMe. GoFundMe had previously showed its true and ugly colors when it deplatformed people it found socially unacceptable. Both Shiloh Hendrix and Karmelo Anthony are requesting funds through GiveSendGo, but are they the same thing? Piers Morgan presses Wells on the issue, arguing that Christians should not enable racists and the godly thing to do would be to shut down Hendrix’s efforts. Is Piers right? Does he even have the correct understanding of the Christian position? Join us as we continue the reaction to this bizarre interview!
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[Jay]
Thank you for tuning in to the Removing Barriers podcast. I’m Jay and I’m in MCG. And we’re attempting to remove barriers, so we can all have a clear view of the cross.
[MCG]
This is episode 205 of the Removing Barriers Podcast, and this is Part 2 of us responding to the Piers Morgan show where he had Miron from fresh and fit, Mark Lemon Hill, Lady Goddess, and Ricky. That. They discussed, among other things, Charlotte Hendricks and the viral clip of her calling A5 year old Black Kid, the N word, and followed from that and the money she raised on give and go.
[Jay]
Hi, this is Jay. MCG and I would like for you to help us remove barriers by going to removingbarriers.net and subscribing to receive all things, removing barriers. If you’d like to take your efforts a bit further and help us keep the mics on, consider donating at removing barriers.net/donate. Removing barriers, a clear view of the crop.
[MCG]
All right. So we’re going to pick up where Piers Morgan is interviewing one of the leaders of gifts and go and his guest justification for allowing Charlotte Hendrix and Carmelo Anthony to have fundraising on his platform.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Thank you very much, David. Joining me, Mr. Well, first of all your reaction. To what seems to me to be a blatant hijacking of both of these fundraising host sites for different reasons, but definitely been hijacked by people for for racist motivation.
[Jacob Wells]
No, I think I think that’s completely correct, Piers. I I do think that there was an element here that that did hijack that came at this and really became a racist tribalist. Elements between the two campaigns independently of themselves. I think that they would have existed on our platform in a whole different manner, but. Because of the narratives around them and the proximity to each other, they created a life of their own and and it is unfortunate. It’s sad to. Really. Because as a Christian myself, what I respect about humanity and the image of God on us, I believe that we’re all valuable. I believe that people have dignity and worth, and we want to see that upheld for people even in difficult moments. That’s why our platform exists, is to share hope with people. And it’s been it’s been a difficult. Week several weeks of justice navigating the complexity of these situations as a.
[Marc Lamont-Hil]
That for.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Let me ask him, in the case of Shiloh Hendricks, it seems to me pretty open and shut. This is a woman on camera repeatedly using the N word. First of all, what a 5 year old autistic child it seems, then an adult who’s filming her doesn’t care. Is is blatantly racist? Why should someone like that be allowed to raise any money? On your side, if, as you say, you are driven by a Christian purpose.
[Jacob Wells]
Well, that’s that’s a fascinating question. I would almost flip it around. It’s like if if we tried to create litmus tests for everybody to come onto a platform to use it, I pretty much could guarantee nobody would pass the litmus test because the reality of humanity is that we’re broken. This is the whole principle of Jesus in the. Play.
[MCG]
I’m not quite sure I agree with the fact that no one would pass a litmus test. Of course, if the litmus test is that we’re all sinners and no sinners are allowed, or he’s at his without sin, cast the first stone. Well, yeah, I see his point. But I don’t necessarily think that you can say, hey, there’s no standard. That’s not what you’re saying, but you could come across as if he’s saying there’s no standard. For us to allow people on all platforms. Or not.
[Jacob Wells]
He says is that we needed a savior and that’s what he came.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
For so just to be clear, just to be clear then you. Yeah. Well, hang on. Just to be clear. So let’s see what you just said. So you would let anybody onto your platform to raise money for anything. Is that your position?
[Jacob Wells]
You can’t start down the road. No, the position is that there are laws that define what is legal and what isn’t legal. And we adhere to the laws as the framework for what is and isn’t allowed at the platform.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
And inciting racial hatred is is a crime.
[MCG]
Right. Again, it’s what I have there as well because a lot of times the law does not produce morality. The law of men, the purpose of is not for morality. That’s why we have lawyers and court cases and stuff like that. And people would walk based upon guess the evidence or the lack of evidence. Against them? Not so, because something is lawful doesn’t mean it is necessary, moral. And then, of course, they get in a kind of role when they start to talk about morality, because where does? Your morality come from so.
[Jay]
Right.
[Jacob Wells]
Inciting racial hatred is a crime, yeah.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
There you don’t think it’s a.
[Jacob Wells]
Crime in the US this.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Yeah.
[Jacob Wells]
I I I’ve never seen that as a law on the books and but, but that was part of the wrong.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
It is it, it is, it, is it not even American. And I know it’s a law on the books. You’re not allowed to incite racial hatred or violence against ethnic groups based on their ethnicity. What?
[MCG]
I think what he’s talking about here is hate speech.
[Jay]
Hate speech and hate crimes.
[MCG]
Which is different than saying racial violence or whatever the case may be, of course. I think federally, if you attack someone just because they’re black, anyone just because of their race or whatever case maybe or some sort of group. If you attack someone just because they’re Christian or Muslim or whatever. You know that will become as I remember the term for it, but it’s some kind of heat and I think that’s a place to talk about. I don’t think that’s a specific name. For it, but I think that’s where the confusion comes from.
[Jay]
He called it a crime, though the word crime would often involve something like violent crime, assault, murder. You know, vandalism, you know, things like that. Hate speech is. From what I understand, not a crime now in the UK, that’s a completely different story. Hate speech is, I don’t know if it’s on their books. I should probably look it up to see. But the facto in terms of how people are punished for it, it may as well be. It’s a defect. The law. But that’s not the case in the United States now. There are hate crime. There is a law against hate crimes, but I don’t think in the US there’s a law against hate speech.
[MCG]
Yeah. And some of it is actually civil rather than criminal, but anyways, OK, that’s minor.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Could be. A more glaring example than someone on camera calling black people the N word.
[Jacob Wells]
Violence, violence and hatred. Violence and and words are two different things, and we do make a distinction of that in America. They are very clearly different things. I don’t know of any law. I’d be happy for you to inform me with what that law is, because I I you know, I don’t know everything. I’m happy to admit that. But as as I has already been mentioned. On the show earlier, there are needs that exist outside of the reality of that moment. For for Shiloh, I don’t condone the behavior. Obviously, we didn’t see the actual behavior that was accused in the moment. What we saw was the. Her math of a kind of baited moment and.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Maybe she can was on using the N word to a black person with.
[Jacob Wells]
Now as we realize.
[MCG]
Impunity. Do you think she was baited? Sheila Hendricks.
[Jay]
Who’s she? Shallow Hendricks bated no.
[MCG]
Because I think what you mean is because the person who was recalled and grab his phone start recording said, what did you say to the kid? And then she said cursing and you’re done.
[Jay]
Well, she doubled down. That’s different from being baited. OK, I would imagine.
[MCG]
Right.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
That’s a racist.
[Jacob Wells]
Yeah, well, she she might have some racial elements. I don’t know. I don’t know. Shiloh personally, I don’t know.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Some racial element she uses the N word repeatedly to a black man, and she doesn’t deny having just used it to a 5 year old black child.
[MCG]
Now, I believe what Charlotte did was despicable.
[Jay]
MHM.
[MCG]
But I’m having a hard time just saying because someone used the N word that they’re racist because.
[Jay]
You and I differ there, but.
[MCG]
We use it so much in our songs that, yeah, I never even heard of white people getting in trouble because they’re rapping the lyrics of their favorite artists, black artists, and the and where they spill all over it because they use the N word in the lyrics, they in problems, or if you use the N word in context of saying someone said it. The problem I don’t think just because someone use or repeat their word that they mean they’re racist. I’m not saying Shiloh. Hendrick is not. She probably is. I don’t know the lady, and based upon this. All few minutes of her life that went viral. If that’s the only thing we got to judge it from, well, we can say yes she is. But in in the course of her life, is she? I don’t know.
[Jay]
Yeah, that’s an excellent point to the video of Shiloh. Hendricks is less than from what I understand, the part that I saw, it’s one or two minutes long and we can’t pass judgment on someone from that 2 minute clip, let’s say, without the full context of who she is and who she’s been. Although what she said was egregious and you could learn a lot. But perhaps. You’re right, we shouldn’t necessarily pass judgment just from that. People.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
I’m not sure what more evidence you need that this person’s a racist, and my question for you is simply where is that lying for you? You say it’s the law, but if something is, if somebody is literally raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to support them because they they were blatantly racist, I’m just curious how that fits with your the Christian ethos of what?
[Jacob Wells]
Well, we should go down. I want to.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Of what your site is supposed to be about.
[Jacob Wells]
Well, it it fits actually very well because we can, like I started to say, we don’t operate on a litmus test of your past behaviors. As far as the services that you get to provide the moment that you start walking down the narrative that we’re not going to provide you electricity, water because we don’t like you. The the the the structural elements, the movement of money, which is a a basic element to society.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
So let me just ask you this. So if if someone was being blatantly anti-Semitic for. Example right? Would you allow them to raise money on your platform to defend themselves over their anti-Semitism?
[Jacob Wells]
We. We sit in a very interesting position as a platform in trying to navigate the complexities of.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
These issues, and so what’s the what’s the answer though? What’s the answer?
[Jacob Wells]
In a country that says you can say things. Well, I’ll say historically we’ve stood on that principle of saying we’re gonna allow things that we disagree with, OK. And we’ve allowed things that we completely disagree.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
With you allow people to do pro abortion. Did you allow pro abortion fundraising?
[Jacob Wells]
On the platform, but our mission? Actually, there’s two caveats to what gives and go. As has carved out, and one of them is we we well it. It’s broken into two pieces, but it’s the protection of children. So we say we’re gonna protect children because they don’t have a voice, so we’re not gonna allow fundraising for abortions on gives and go. And we’re not gonna allow fundraising for the transition. The transition of children.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
OK, but what about what about a five year old child being? What about a five year old Black child being called the N word?
[Jacob Wells]
Fundraising on here saying oh, if you.
[MCG]
Now I think here Pierce is being disingenuous as well, so I understand you’re interviewing this guy. You want to push him, but what the guy said the CEO or the leader of gives him go and what pays Mark and accent is two different things. Now I think he would be equivalent if he said if a lady going to give them go saying hey I need money. So that I can let’s say they live in Texas or Alabama, one of these states that have strong restriction on abortion and they say, hey, I need money so that I can fly to California, where is one of the most liberal States and it can have abortion almost Willy nilly. I know even though if they have laws against it in any capacity. They might. I’m not even gonna look it up, but they probably do. But it’s a lot more liberal than it would be a Texas or Alabama, and they say, hey, I want money so I can fly to California and have an abortion and pay for the procedure and stuff like that. They would not allow that. At least this is the impression I’m getting. However, if the person I’ve had an abortion and they have. Complication because of the abortion, let’s say it’s psychological or mental issues and they say, hey, I need money so I can pay my doctor because I had. Abortion. And now I’m suffer from it mentally or I have complications from taking the pill and I need to go to the doctor. You can pay for it. I think they were allowed that because that is not funding an abortion, that funding their after effects of their abortion. What he’s saying that they would not directly fund abortion and piercing those saying hey, how does that measure? Charlie Hendricks. Charlie Hendrix didn’t go on the platform and say give me money so I can fly around the country to call more 5 year old black kids. The N word, right? She said give me money because the fallout from me calling someone an N word. Now I need to move or whatever the case might be. Now that’s a little bit of nuance because I think they’re talking past each other here and not necessarily trying to look and say, OK, try to understand each other.
[Jacob Wells]
What about that?
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Where does the protection for that child come in?
[Jacob Wells]
Well, that’s that’s their parents responsibility, that’s. Like if if. If my child and I have several children, if my child was called something bad. I would take my child aside and I would tell them you just what that.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
You did the one of the caveats. Hang on. You just said one of the caveats for kids saying go is the protection of children. You talked about the transitioning process. You talked about abortion, which is obviously your Christian perspective on that. And I’m simply saying, why doesn’t it include children being racially abused? Why is that suddenly the parents?
[Jacob Wells]
What words means?
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Responsibility, not yours. As a platform where you are, you are literally enriched. You are gonna make him. Well. Look, let me just spell it out to you. The way things are going, you’re going to make a millionaire out of a woman who racially abused a child.
[Jacob Wells]
No, because there there are campaigns that exist on gifts and go.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
And if if you’re not section well, hang on where you are.
[Jacob Wells]
We’ll have that’s that’s incorrect. No, no, not because one, we’re a platform. We don’t make donations to these campaigns. These are individuals that are making donations of their own volition. This is not Gibson.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
This person will become a millionaire because of your platform.
[Jacob Wells]
No, it’s not because of our platform. They could, they could send checks and they could send, they could send money a million different ways to individuals.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
It is. But they’re using your platform, and you’ve already said to me you carve out, you carve out.
[Jacob Wells]
Those those avenues, they they are.
[MCG]
I hate when they don’t let the. People speak.
[Jay]
Piers is notorious for that.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Things in there because you want to protect children. I’m just curious, why is racially abusing a child not one of your car vans?
[Jacob Wells]
Yes. Well, the that the what the campaign is fundraising for. So we have to make a distinction between what happens on give send go and then what happens outside of give send go because we can’t police everything that happens outside of give, send, go all that we can police is what happen. Things on give, send go. So the the two instances that I gave were about campaigns that if they were created on gifts and go that we would for those scenarios we would prevent. But things that happen outside of gifts and. Go we can’t. Police around so does someone have the right to raise funds for their security for their protection? Because they’ve been doxed because they’ve because of a a snapshot moment, because everyone has a camera in their pocket. And and today we can see the outworking of this three years ago in New York City in, in the middle of the city, there was an altercation between a woman and another, a black man over bird watching and dogs. And her name was Amy Cooper. And to this day, three years later, her she hasn’t been able to find a job. She’s. But because she made a bet. Bad mistake, saying the wrong thing in a particular moment where the camera was pulled out and recorded.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Well, she racially abused him. She racially abused him. If you racially abused people, you, you are made accountable for your.
[Jacob Wells]
Actions. So for the rest of your life, you’re the rest of you. The rest of your life. You’re not from society.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Actually, you know what? If you if you if you call black people the N word and racially abuse them, unfortunately, yes, it has consequences. Probably for your professional life. For the rest of your professional life.
[Jacob Wells]
No, I’m not saying. I’m not saying that. No, we understand that there are consequences.
[MCG]
I guess he’s not saying this, but what came to my mind is like, even murderers. This society gives second chances. Right. So why is it that even in the case of Amy Cooper that she can’t have another chance for the rest of her life, she shouldn’t be able to get a job that she’s qualified to do?
[Jay]
He’s virtue signaling. He’s merely virtue signaling. It’s almost like when Douglas Murray had this conversation with Dave Smith. You’ve never been. It’s this whole sanctimonious, sort of. I can’t believe it to you have the same thing. I can’t believe you called this person this. Ohh. You’re deplorable. There’s no hope for you. It’s that same attitude. And of course. Completely on Christ. Like but. Go.
[Jacob Wells]
Ahead. Umm, understand this consequences? What I’m saying, what I’m saying is what you’re what you’re advocating for, it seems. Is that for the rest of Shiloh’s life, she should be pushed into the recesses of society and that she should not have a voice that she should be canceled and silenced. This is what drives people to suicide and and it’s this canceled culture mantra that that thinks that the. Best way forward as a society is to cancel them rather than try to bring some redemption into the. Situation and forgives and go. Our purpose and our hope is not that we agree with every single campaign. That’s why we started a prayer team that gives and go. We actually call every campaign owner and we pray with them and we actually talked them back from the ideological edges that they find themselves in by saying, you know what? There’s a God that loves you. You don’t need to get into. This tribal space. You need to focus on rebuilding that relationship with him because that’s the fabric for a principle that world nation. It’s why we find.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
OK, but here’s the floor. Here’s the floor with silo. Here’s the floor with Silo Hendrix. She in her? In her message left on the donation.
[Jacob Wells]
Ourselves where we are.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Site it goes on and on sentence after sentence playing the victim. She never once mentions that she repeatedly used the N word. It doesn’t exist in her description of the victimhood statement she puts out there. So it’s incredibly disingenuous because people who read that will not realise. If they don’t know the story that she racially abused a child and then an adult in a most horrific manner, and I’m curious for you as a company you take, I believe, tips and donations from each. Of the donations that come in, is that how the system works?
[MCG]
Of course, that’s how the system works. But why is that relevant? I don’t see why the fact is, of course, if you’re going to allow the campaign on their side, of course they’re gonna have to make money somehow to some kind of fee or whatever, you know, especially since they have to go through credit card processing fee and all these things that they go through, I don’t see why this is relevant because he’s not saying that they’re condoning. Charlie Hendrix says have been saying that, hey, she may have made a mistake, just like Carmelo Anthony may have made a mistake. Allegedly self-defense. But they’re saying, hey. We are not sponsoring Camilla Anthony or alone camera, so he can go out and do murder.
[Jay]
By the way, Carmelo Anthony, are they raising money on gifts and go as well, or are they using a different platform or they have? OK, so they’re both on the same platform?
[MCG]
Have. Right.
[Jacob Wells]
OK, got it. The system works on voluntary donations, so the only thing that we receive as revenue from from a.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
OK, so so so, so just out of interest of the of the $600,000 plus that have now been raised for her, how much have you guys made give saying go from that money presumably you know right?
[Jacob Wells]
But.
I actually don’t know, I I haven’t kept track of of what the donations to that campaign, in particular to give.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
But do you feel comfortable you feel comfortable making money out of that?
[Jacob Wells]
What I feel comfortable doing is last week flying out to Detroit, MI and stepping into somebody’s brokenness, who had a campaign.
[MCG]
Now this guy’s a politician. He’s changing it around.
[Jay]
Direct or?
[MCG]
Not answering the. Then.
[Jacob Wells]
And give saying go because their car was stolen and another car was in an accident and they found out that their three-year old had cancer and we stepped in.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Well, that’s a different story. That’s a different story completely. I’m asking you. I’m asking you very specifically.
[Jacob Wells]
And bought them. A new car and and it’s a completely different story, but it’s a reality of what we use the funds from gifts and go for.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Well, look the the bottom line is you’re making, I don’t know, 10s of thousands, maybe more out of a particular part of your site that has been set up by a racist who was proudly racist on camera repeatedly. And you say you wanna protect children. But the reason that she is so infamous. And she she originally in that exchange, racially abused the. Smiled, and you might laugh and smirk and smile, but I don’t find any of that funny.
[Jacob Wells]
Well, you know what one none of us, you keep, you keep jumping. Yeah, I I don’t think it’s. I don’t think it’s funny either. You’ve put me in a position to try to defend Shiloh, which I don’t. I have no defense for Shiloh. I don’t defend calling a child something like that. What is very evident is that one, we don’t have video of her doing any of those. Things outside of the the post video. So where?
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
She literally uses the N word repeatedly and she doesn’t deny using it against the child. In fact, she makes it clear she did do it because he was behaving like one, she said. So I don’t know why you’re being so merely mashed about it. So the bottom line is she’s obviously a nasty racist. She’s proud of being a racist.
[Jacob Wells]
We do have to take it. I I I understand.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
She admitted being a racist and we heard her being a racist. There is no doubt about what happened, what you’re trying to do is cast a little bit of doubt if you don’t mind me saying because it helps your corporate position, which is you’re making a ton of money out of a racist who is gonna be a millionaire out of being a racist. Because if you’re black.
[Jacob Wells]
Well, you know, it’s interesting. You. Every.
[MCG]
I just hope that there’s nothing ever happened in my life where I’ve been judged for two minutes of something based, something caught on camera and I guess we do that all the time. You know, how many times do we see 32nd clip in past judgment of Innocent or guilty?
[Jay]
MHM.
[MCG]
And stuff like that, you know, especially in road rage situation or something and or even in a police shooting or something. We passed judgment because we saw a short clip. Again, I’m not defending Charlie Hendricks here, but it’s a small portion. Of her life. Who knows what she had in her bag that she didn’t want that kid to see clearly was frustrated and maybe possibility she’s a racist. But happening on it as if like man, I truly know this person, I know everything that’s going on in life, so I’m going to declare for the rest of my life. I don’t know. I don’t know if that’s the right judgment or even the right move to go.
[Jay]
And I think Piers Morgan either forgot or is deliberately. Collecting the situation that happened during the pandemic and during the riots of 2020, where thousands of truckers, particularly Canadian truckers, were deep platformed and many of them deebank fed just because they had the wrong opinion. The wrong opinion that went against what the people in power thought. So to go down the path of the platforming someone simply because they’re. Speech is reprehensible to you. It’s a dangerous path to go down.
[MCG]
Yeah.
[Jacob Wells]
You think allowing this campaign helps our corporate position? Come on. Pierce, you know.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Like what would help you? You know what would help you corporately if you were genuinely true to your mission statement as a Christian site, what you that you wanna protect children and you were big on that at the start of this interview. I wanna protect the kids. Right then you would remove her sight immediately.
[Jacob Wells]
Look at the reaction. The reason why.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Once you would have.
[Jay]
This is my problem with what Piers Morgan is saying as well. Ohh if you were a Christian then you would do this, I promise you. If you were to ask Piers Morgan to define what a Christian is, he wouldn’t be able to tell you.
[MCG]
Well, he’s not like so.
[Jay]
Again, you ask him to define that he wouldn’t be able to tell you. I see it so often on YouTube and other social media platforms where people are getting together and they’re talking about Christianity, but they haven’t the faintest clue what the gospel is. What true Christianity is they are lumping. Catholicism with Orthodox, with all of these different things that do not present a true. Through the true Gospel, and I think that Piers Morgan would say that Christianity is more of a do unto others treat people the way you want to be treated. Everybody would be nice to each other. I don’t think that if you ask Piers Morgan what is the gospel that he would say the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. And I think that when we. Label Christianity something that it’s not, and then we are saying, hey, you should either be platformed or deep platformed based on. That your faulty definition of Christianity, or whatever you’re saying? That’s a dangerous road to go down.
[MCG]
Well, quite. And the other time when folks like that pays more than than other folks say Christian, what they were actually mean is cultural Christian, because they’re talking about their studio Christian foundation, that the country was founded upon. So when they say Christianity, our culturally Christian where quote, and UN quote our moral or foundational. Come from because of course we know through biblical Christianity. Why. That is, and we just spoke about that in Episode 203. I think it was and many other episodes we talked about it, but peers is probably more talking about culture question here.
[Jay]
Yeah, the same cultural Christianity that would say that homosexuals are acceptable in the sight of God, and they deserve all of the, you know, all of the right. Right. Exactly so.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
In your own brain that she’d racially abused A5 year old, which by the way she admits to doing right. So you could just do that like that.
[Jacob Wells]
Yeah. No, we could do a lot of things. But in the country that we live in, there are certain fabric elements that make this America what it is and they need to be.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Defended it’s free speech, one of them.
[Jacob Wells]
So just because people have upset feelings. Free speech, free speech, free freedom of expression.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
And yet, how odd, because Mr. Well. But it’s I’m mistaken and it’s unmistaken you have now removed the ability to comment and removed all the comments on.
[Jacob Wells]
I mean the the freedom of association.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
This particular donation site.
[MCG]
Again, he’s been disingenuous free speech.
[Jay]
That was disingenuous on his face, yeah.
[MCG]
Free speech has nothing to do with what someone allow on their personal side or platform.
[Jay]
Yeah, yeah.
[MCG]
Like on our website removingbarrows.net, we’ve had folks that comment on the article or comment on something and I have deleted it because. It was maybe vulgar or it was something that I didn’t want to be on the website that I managed free speech, I were the government not restricting your speech, not private companies and private platforms doing what they want to do. So that has nothing to do with free speech. We use free speech like ohh we can. The free speech just simply means that the government can’t come after you. The provision to the government that it cannot simply persecute you because you say something. Of course there’s limits to everything, and of course you can’t incite violence, can’t lie to somebody or whatever. But for most part you can speak against your government, speak against whatever the case may be. Say whatever you want to say. It’s just like my home. You can say whatever you want to say, but that. Doesn’t mean you can come in my home and say it, I think.
[Jay]
I think Pierce Morgan knows that he was so deeply offended many years ago when Ben Shapiro appeared on his show and gave him a copy of the Constitution. He was so offended because he knows what’s in the Constitution. They were discussing gun control, so the context was different. But for someone like him, who knows the Constitution, I think he knows that what he just said was disingenuous. Go ahead.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Haven’t you? Where’s the free speech rights of those people who commented? Or are you just a hypocrite?
[Jacob Wells]
No. Well, recognize what free speech is. Free speech is a prohibition against the government enacting laws to prohibit your your.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Speech. You literally just made. You just literally just made a speech talking about freedom of expression and free speech. But you have you have removed all the comments from here. Why are you suppressing?
[Jacob Wells]
It’s not a prohibition from.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Censoring people’s right to free speech to comment on these sites.
[Jacob Wells]
We have as a private business, the right to operate our business the way that we want to operate our business.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
You have the right to suppress free speech. I don’t dispute it. I’m just. I’m just curious why you pretend to be this great defender of free speech when you’re literally doing the opposite.
[Jacob Wells]
No. No, what we what we saw very clearly in this situation was a campaign for Carmelo Anthony and on the back of it, a campaign for Shiloh and they were competing off of each other and they were in a a cycle, a vitriolic, vitriolic tornado of sorts. And we said we need to. Put some calming effect on this by removing the back and forth element that’s going on in this particular situation, it wouldn’t necessarily have happened if these campaigns were completely independent months, years apart from each other, but there was something specific that was happening.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
As a Christian, again look as a Christian against as a Christian. Again cause I’m told.
[MCG]
Ohh, I kind of agree that turning off the comments if you’re gonna allow their campaign on the website, and that’s a different discussion. If I were in charge there, would I allow this? That means maybe not. But if you’re gonna allow them, at least try to calm their.
[Jay]
Remove the device development, yeah.
[MCG]
Exactly because a lot of people going there, not necessarily to donate just to comment.
[Jay]
And to stir up the pot and to create trouble.
[MCG]
Right. Have you read the comment section of articles? It’s just a cesspool, you know, so.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
But they give Sengo site for Luigi Mangione, who we saw allegedly executing a healthcare boss in cold blood. Don’t think as much allegedly about it, but we’ll let the process take its take its course.
[Jacob Wells]
Allegedly.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
He’s got nearly £1,000,000 for his defence via your site and you know it’s sort of odd, isn’t it? Is it not an inconsistency in your Christian position on this, that on the one hand you, you know, hang on, hang on, let me, let me ask you the question. Let me ask you the question on the one.
[Jacob Wells]
It it shows your it really shows your lack of understanding what Christian faith actually stands for.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Hand. If you want anything pro abortion on your site. That’s a no no, because you’re all pro-life. And yet on the other hand, you’re helping a bunch of alleged murderers. Raise millions. Do you not see an inconsistency with your Christian Hatton?
[Jacob Wells]
Well, it it just actually goes to the shallow misconception of Christianity that you have. And I would, I would implore you peers to go after reading the Bible for what it says that the number one critique of freedom by the religious leaders.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
That she’s not killed is ringing quite loud in my head.
[Jacob Wells]
Huh.
[Jay]
No. Again, the disingenuous, if Mangione went on goods and go and said please donate money so that I can go murder Brian Thompson. That would be the same thing as gifts and go allowing people to raise money to go get an abortion. It’s not the same thing when you are raising up money for a defense or for legal cost or whatever. You’re raising up money for. It’s not the same thing. Again, with the being disingenuous.
[MCG]
Yeah. Fully agree.
[Jacob Wells]
The number one critique of Jesus by the religious leaders of the day was that he hung around with the prostitutes, the drunkards and the sinners. He was the guy that went to the lowliest of low places and he actually shared hope in the midst of the worst places we find ourselves in a very similar situation and our goal at gifts and go. Is to share hope to people in the midst and and part of that is navigating how we do it. We have a prayer team that calls people and prays with them, actually shows them that they’re valuable. We we have an initiative like I was mentioning earlier, outrageous generosity where we stepped in just like.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Alright, but the bottom line? Look, the bottom line. Look, Mr. Wells, I appreciate you coming on, but the bottom. Mine is the reality of the situation is that if you racially abuse a kid, you can become a millionaire on your site and you won’t stop it happening. And if you kill somebody or allegedly kill somebody, you won’t stop that happening either. But with your Christian hats on, if somebody wants to put anything up that’s pro abortion, whoa, not having that Gov. And if you wanna put a comment. Under one of these more contentious sites, your free speech, your free speech rule immediately collapses.
[Jacob Wells]
Well then, if you can’t, if you can’t recognize this. Listen. Hey, I’m sorry, Pierce. If you can’t recognize that children don’t have a voice. Place and they should be protected. That’s on you rather than on me, but.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
What about the voice of this? What about the voice of this little 5 year old black kid? Where was? Where was his right not to be racially abused?
[Jacob Wells]
He doesn’t have a campaign on give. Saying go, I would I.
[MCG]
Not only he going to say he doesn’t have a campaigner gift and go, but I disagree with payers and this might seem outrageous, but he does not have a right not to be racially abused. Sure, none of us have done right again, if you’re all for free speech pairs, you will say it doesn’t have, right? I’m not saying that Charlie Hendrix or anybody should be racially abusing anybody, but no one of us have that right to say that someone can’t say something nasty to us. Now, your response might be a little bit different.
[Jay]
There’s a lot of completing happening here.
[MCG]
Yeah, maybe she say to somebody or she said to, I guess the wrong or the right person or if you want to look at it and you might get the punch in the mouth or whatever the case might be. Not advocating violence or anything. I’m just simply saying, you know, depends on who you’re saying. And when you say it. I remember there was a story years ago of this American guy went to Germany and was doing their Hitler fallout or whatever the case may be. And he got a royal beat. For doing it so again, you might say something that’s not acceptable in society, and you might say to a black person or whatever case may be, and you might get a punch in the nose. Whether that is for the moral gold or whatever. Case may not advocating for any five year old to be racial abuse, but to say he have a right not to be. I disagree with there.
[Jay]
Right.
[MCG]
This is the Removing Barriers podcast. We will be right back.
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[Jacob Wells]
I would. I would love to see a campaign for him on gives and go. He doesn’t have a campaign on give, send, go but but to the deeper question of the other campaigns, if you think undermining the presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law is a good position to take well, so be it. That’s why we find ourselves in the mess.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
OK. All right.
[Jacob Wells]
As a society that we have found ourselves in is because people continue to undermine the principles that are that our country was founded upon for the sake of of some some type of social outrage, which apparently is what seems like you’re parenting.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Towards us. OK, let’s just. Seem that the viewers can make their own minds up about who’s parroting what here, but I appreciate you coming on, Mr. Wells. Thank you very much.
[Jacob Wells]
At the experience.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
OK, let’s go back to the panel there. I mean, Ricky, it seemed to me a lot of inconsistencies in Mr. Wells’s position, not least the donning of the Christian hat when it suits them, but then removing it when it doesn’t.
[Rikki Schlott]
You know, I think it it’s definitely tough to make the call here and there and where to censor. I err on the side of of not censoring as much as possible, but I I agree with you that the the selectivity of of having issues with abortion but not with these campaigns is is certainly a problem. But I I also want to go back to our point before too and and make the point that I just I hate this argument that. Because some people were tribal, we should be tribal too. And shouldn’t we want to live in a society where we say tribalism is is bad in general and negative in general, and so therefore we should be airing towards individualism and not fighting tribalism with more tribalism? I think that’s a net.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Negative. I agree, Myron. Your last words on this.
[Marc Lamont-Hil]
OK, OK, never got respond to my other.
If this happens.
[Miron from fresh and fit]
The thing with tribalism, it’s a natural human instinct, like we are literally designed to want to be in communities and want to be a part of a set of community because it ensures our survival has been that way since beginning of time.
[MCG]
Yeah, so I partly agree to him. I think people normally gravitate to people like themselves as the old saying go, birds of a feather flock together. So. So usually you know if you like cricket, you’re gonna find people that like cricket. If you like, basketball, you’re gonna find people that like basketball and stuff like that. So does that mean that we need to go to the level? What society is going to right now? I will say no. But to some extent, all of us are somewhat, for lack of a better term, since they’re using the term tribal in that sense. That, and so in the mornings I get up and I don’t go fishing. I try to find myself in church.
[Jay]
As your tribe, that’s how the tribe. That they’re talking about, but.
[MCG]
Right. You can say that’s my tribe. And that’s what I do. But at the same time, I won’t go up to the person that’s going fishing and condemn them because they figure they want to go fishing. I would probably say they have the priorities all. Stop. But that’s different than you know. Ohh, and it goes down probably back to death where we talked about before. Is that where is your moral compass coming from? Because if you’re coming from society, we’re going to always end up where we are right now. But if it’s coming from the word of God and that’s your tribe, you know, if the cross of Jesus is the tribe, then there’s unity. And it’s not. They’re going to be a lot of what we see in American culture today.
[Miron from fresh and fit]
So The thing is that people are typically gonna align with people that share similar features and that’s why we have the tribalism we have going on, right.
[MCG]
Now, so that’s all the truth in marriage, most people married with in their race, even though what has been what, 60 plus year. Since I love the Virginia, whatever it was, and I went to the Supreme Court.
[Miron from fresh and fit]
The problem is it’s not going to go anywhere. I think the problem is that we’ve had this penting up for literally decades, and this has been a response to it. You have people that are coming out and supporting someone who you guys might deem as a terrible racist, but I think it’s also very important to understand how we got here because we’re gonna look at the smaller problem. We can’t look at the bigger problem, and it’s what I said. For unchecked systemic.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
All right, Mark Lamont Hill, your last words on this.
[Marc Lamont-Hil]
This repeated use of the word, I think. First of all, I want to just register that as offensive, particularly someone who does not.
[MCG]
No, no, I think that is actually the N word that is being censored there. Of course, just what?
[Jay]
I keep wondering cause I hear it’s the silence that I’m thinking. Is he saying something that’s being censored or?
[MCG]
This. So we didn’t put that in. I think that was the Pierce Morgan team. I’m assuming it was the N word. Maybe that Myron use or whatever the case may be, or some other word. Again, we censored a little bit more, but when we censor it, I think the beep is a little bit different than there. So you probably can distinguish it. But we kind of sense it. We sense as the F word and the S word and some others. So anyways.
[Marc Lamont-Hil]
Unified as a member of that community and who is not right, I think that’s incredibly offensive.
[Miron from fresh and fit]
I’m the first African American.
[MCG]
I I see here again, my lemon hill is telling Myron he’s not the member of the African American. And community and that’s telling, because Myron is from Sudan, I think, and of course clearly a country in Africa. So he’s African American, ma’am, and he’s going to explain to him here, I remember 2 teenage girls were being interviewed about colleges. One was from Egypt and she could pass as white, you know, long natural curly here more looked more like. A white girl, lighter skin and stuff like that. Then they have their black African American teenager and the Egyptian girl said that when she fill out the form, she put that she’s African American. And the reporter asked the Black girl who more look like the typical African American if she thinks that she’s African American. And she said no, she’s not African American, even though she’s from Africa. And again, I often hop upon, it has little to do with the color of your skin. It has more to do with ethnicity, which is basically when it’s that include culture.
[Jay]
Sure. Yeah.
[MCG]
And behavior to some extent and try if you want to put the user word more than just the columnist game because he is 2 black men, one literally from the continent, Africa, one from America and one is saying I’m African American. But you are not. And then he’s saying he’s offended. Because one is using N word, but then he’s gonna call the other one Uncle Tom, which is to me, is derogatory in its sense, even though I think that historically hunger term should have been a good term.
[Jay]
Trying to find where Myron Gaines actually comes from. His name is actually Arabic, so we’ll think of the African countries that have a significant Arabic influence, probably northern Africa, Northern Africa, the Sudanese. OK.
[MCG]
I think it’s good. Then I think he’s goodness so. But anyways, let’s play it. Let’s see what they say.
[Miron from fresh and fit]
Definition of good man.
[Marc Lamont-Hil]
And and troublesome and and as a. As a Sudanese American or an outsider who’s using African American very technical term the same way that Elon Musk is an African American, I think it is a bit disingenuous, but the bigger issue here I think is, is that, you know, this idea of equating of one side to the other side often loses track of this issue of. Power to use his example, when black people stand up and say hey, let’s build our own stuff. Hey, let’s have a black power movement that is not the same as a white power. I I let I let you speak uninterrupted. Let me finish, please, my Sudanese brother.
[MCG]
I disagree with their putting the power into it. I get what he’s saying, but a lot of people use that power argument to say that black person can’t be racist, but a white person can’t. And that’s the part that is. We win.
[Marc Lamont-Hil]
So so when a black person says, hey, let’s preserve our culture, I have no problem with Italians or Irish people or anyone else saying let’s preserve our culture. But when we don’t talk about ethnicity but actual race and white people say, let’s preserve whiteness, it’s an exclusionary practice. It’s about it’s about preserving laws and practices and tactics that do harm.
[MCG]
And there again, he’s boiling down wreaths to the color of your skin. Now, we did an episode called, I Think is Whoopi and race. Whoopi Goldberg and raise or something I don’t remember. But if you look in our list of episode, you’ll find it. And during that, remember research and you know what does ethnicity mean? What does race mean? And I remember at least the dictionary I used at that point and even my online search that basically said that race and ethnicity are synonyms. Now in my mind they’re not. But let’s keep in mind that. What’s he saying when he’s erased? He’s boiling onto your color of your skin. And then when he said Italian, he’s talking about more ethnicity.
[Jay]
Well, no, because he didn’t go on to elaborate when he said whiteness. He’s talking about the practice and the culture and the this and the that he listened.
[MCG]
Yeah, but he’s he. He’s putting it in the American sense because he said, OK, if an Italian want to preserve their culture, that’s fine. If Englishmen want to privilege culture, that’s fine. But when they want start to preserve this idea of whiteness, and there will be an American term. So he’s boiling everybody in the same bucket of whiteness, which I don’t think is fair because he’s actually.
[Jay]
Like 6 other.
[MCG]
Excluding Myron, though, Myron is black. He’s not African American, though Elon Musk is from South Africa, he’s not African American. Right. Hmm.
[Marc Lamont-Hil]
To other people, a black power movement was about opening stores and building and building businesses. A white power movement was it was a white. That’s the giga, the a white power movement was about something very, very, very, very different. A white power movement was who included lynchings and included Klux Klan, etcetera. So let’s not pretend that these are opposite sides of the same coin. White people say let’s save our country and even using language of. Our country, when black people built this thing, when you say that you’re talking about forcing people out of the country, talking about laws that discriminate, you talking about doing harm to people, let’s not pretend these are the same thing. Just like these. Go fund me. Campaigns are not the same thing. I’m OK if everybody gets out of the go fund me industrial complex, I’d love. That, but let’s not pretend that supporting someone for fair trial is the same thing as supporting a grown white woman. Berating and calling me N word to a five year autistic black child, and the fact that everyone in here can’t be unanimous in condemning that says exactly how they’re not the same.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
I totally agree. I totally agree. I’m gonna go to Lily Gaddis and just ask you. One more time I mean.
[MCG]
Well, I think we can condemn what Charlotte Hendricks did and also say at least I am waiting to see what come out in the child for what Carmelo Anthony did right. But at the same time, as we said before. You’re being disingenuous if you think that everybody does want to have Carmel or have a a fair child. It’s not just like you are boiling or down to white empowerment. You must be the KKK, right? Again, I don’t agree with any racial empowerment where I will be. Just empower the citizens of the country to give them, you know, equality rather than equity. I will vote for that. How about we make sure that our laws. Affect the white man equally as they affect the black man or if we have the opportunities that are equal and not making anything based upon race. I don’t agree that OK when black people want to empower themselves, they build businesses. Well, in recent history they weren’t building businesses, they were burning down businesses, AKA BLM. So I don’t agree that when they are empowered themselves that they do. When the black people empower themselves, they’re saying, hey, we want privileges beyond. On we want reparation or whatever the case may be. That’s what recent black empowerment is. I agree. Historically, you can go back when you talk about Black Wall Street and all these things. Yes, at that time when black people were even want to say, quote UN quote at their peak, even though that would be disputed and disagree with when we had 75% plus of black kids. Being born in wedlock. How about let that be black empowerment? Will you bring that family? Will we bring back fathers in the home where we bring back all these things? A lot of the issues that are happening and lots of their problem, they ghettos is because women are raising a bunch of boys by themselves and that’s where you come back to this social, economical issues. We have flipped it completely where we have now 75% of black people. Those are being born out of wedlock, fatherless homes. That’s a. Like issue, even Obama talked about it, saying that you’re how many times more likely to end up in jail and never like they do all these things. Fathers home is one of the biggest if you want to just look at society and all these other stuff that are happening. It starts with the home. It starts with a lack of spiritual underpinning. Of course you can make an argument of in a country where education is. For most part free, at least up to 12th grade, why is it that the literacy level among black people is not higher? Of course you can. OK, well, there’s poor schools and stuff like that. Well, I’m sure Mark Lamont Hill would not advocate for school choice, which can help people get out of that. And then also. They have been voting the same way for 60 years, but no change and I’m not advocating for Republicans, but I’m simply saying vote some other way anyways.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
You’ve been so unashamedly proud of being a racist today, proud of using the N word whenever you feel like it. You’ve had a bit of time to think about this. Is that how you want people to? Leave this panel debate.
[MCG]
I really thought he kind of just shut her out for. The rest of the interview.
[Jay]
Yeah. Yeah. He sounds like when that one tennis player said something about Serena Williams and everyone was up in arms. And the first thing that the woman news anchor said to him. Was would you? Like to apologize to Serena because you said this misogynistic or sexist thing. Would you like to apologize? There’s this huff and puff about it. He sounds just like she did.
[MCG]
This part is kind of the most viral part of the entire episode anyway. OK.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
We’re thinking of you as a disgusting racist.
[Lilly Gaddis]
I don’t really care what people think about me, as long as you care about what people think about you. You have no power and you lose your country. What I care about is freedom of speech, and if you’re not allowed to say the most offensive things in this country, you do not have freedom of speech. I don’t care what anybody says.
[MCG]
No, I don’t agree with that part. That’s what I say. If you cancel offensive stuff, you definitely don’t have freedom of speech. And I agree with that. And I think you can counter offensive speech with good speech rather than censor it.
[Lilly Gaddis]
So that’s the main crux of this situation. That’s what I care about with this situation. It is we have lived for far too long in a country where you can have your life destroyed and people say, oh, she doesn’t need this money. Her life’s destroyed, by the way, she’ll never be able to get another job. She’s got children to have to support and I don’t wanna live in a country where you can say an inappropriate rude thing, which, by the way, black people. And say things to white people all the time and they never get cancelled, there’s no backlash about this. I want to live in a country where people are allowed to say what they want unashamedly, and you can you will not have.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
Well, go on then. Say it. Say the N go on say go on say the N word go on. No, no. So hang on, hang on.
[Lilly Gaddis]
You will not speak.
[Marc Lamont-Hil]
No, no, don’t invite. Don’t. No.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
No, no, don’t.
[Marc Lamont-Hil]
Want you to invite this woman to say a racially harmful terminal to me because I’m the only I’m the only one here. So if she said.
[MCG]
So now they you heard a little bit of pause in what Matt Lehman he was saying, if you watch a video, I’m assuming he looked like he said the N word and pays Morgan is gets Egner on to say the N word. And he said don’t say because he’s the only N word in here. Now why is it OK for him to say that?
[Jay]
Why would he own that term?
[MCG]
So he can say it. He can say it, but she can’t say it. That’s the problem I have with this. If the term is so offensive, no one should be saying it. If we’re going to be censored again. I’m not saying that go then be mean and nasty to people. It’s not a word that I use. And there’s many words out there that I don’t use just because I don’t need that word to express myself as a matter of fact, I’d work at two companies.
[Jay]
Define himself as one, right?
[MCG]
Where the F word was fueled like water at least every 3rd, 4th word in a sentence they used it. I remember I was talking to the CEO of the company and he was just fearing that word like milk, not necessarily towards me, but just express. And I said to him. You know, there’s no need for language, to his credit, even though I was thus a young whippersnapper, no position from that point forward in speaking to me, he had Jessica live reduced his use of the F word. I didn’t pass any judgment at the summit on either language because I don’t use that language. I don’t curse at you. I don’t do that. You know, some people say, well, you put in the N word. Effort in the same bracket. To meet both of them are vulgar and derogatory. I know we don’t see that with our culture, but to. Me there are.
[Marc Lamont-Hil]
I said I’m the victim of it, so please don’t invite her for ratings to call me the N word. That’s basically what it’s going to be. There’s a bunch of white people up here, you and 11 Uncle Tom on the on the.
[Jay]
Left ear and ohh my goodness, why it’s OK for him to call Myron Tom, but ohh goodness everything you said earlier in the podcast.
[MCG]
And then why like, why is it OK for him? To call Byron now.
[Jay]
It’s proving right now anyway.
[MCG]
Let’s finish it.
[Marc Lamont-Hil]
To ask her to say the N word while I’m here as ridiculous, you would not sit here with a Jewish person and say please use a Jewish slur and friend of the Jewish it’s it’s ridiculous. I understand. You don’t have any bad intent peers understand what you’re trying to do, but we already know some racing and I.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
I you know what, mum? I hear you.
[Marc Lamont-Hil]
Don’t want to invite a racial harm to me to prove it.
[Piers Morgan Uncensored]
No. I hear you. I hear you and I accept that and we’ll leave it there. Thank you all very much.
[MCG]
And just to say that if you want to be the marine is actually I think you were smiling all life and while he was going to that but anyways. All right, so there you have it. I’ll just end with some scripture verses. I think we’re talking about, you know, freedom of speech, the N word and all these things. And just as Christians, where we stand. Of course, I don’t believe in censoring words, but I think the Bible does called us to control our tongue. The Bible does call us to have to speak a certain way. You know, you don’t want to be vulgar and rude. Nasty and offensive in your language, even though sometimes there’s some things that are going to be offensive, like the gospel by nature is offensive when you tell people they’re Sinner and they need of a savior, their way is not the way to. Salvation. But at the end of the day, you don’t want to go about be deliberately offensive. The Bible says in Colossians 4 verse six let your speech be always with grace and season with thought that you may know how you ought to answer every man. And of course James Chapter 3, verse 2 to 11 for in many things we have offend all. If any man offend not in Word the same is a perfect man. And able author to bridle the whole body. Behold we put bits in the horses’s mouth that they may obey us, and we turn about their whole body. Behold also the ships which, though they be so great and are driven by fierce winds. Yet at the turn about with a very small hem. Whatsoever the government enlisted. Even so, the tongue is a little member and boasted great things. Behold how great a matter a little fire kinglet and a tongue is a fire, a whirl of iniquity. So is a tongue among all Members that it defiled the whole body and set it on fire. The course of nature. That is set on fire of hell for every kind of beasts and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and had been tamed of mankind. But a tongue can no man tame. It is unruly. People full of deadly poison they will bless we God, even the father, and deal with curse. We men, which are made after the Similitude of God, out of the same mouth, proceeded blessing and cursing my brethren, these things ought not so to be through the fountain send forth at the same place Sweetwater and bitter. Then I think of Matthew 15 and verse 19 for out of the heart proceeded evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornication, teeth, false witness blasphemies, and January 17, verse 19 or 20. The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked who can know it? I don’t know. Search the heart. I try. The reins even to every man, according to his ways and according to the fruit of his doing. Then I also proverbs 23 and verse 7 for as he thinketh in his heart, so is he. So those are some verses on the heart and on the tongue and in speech from the Bible. A wise man once said your beliefs becomes your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions becomes your habits. Your habits become your values and your values become your destiny. So I’ll just and with that, hey, even though I’m sitting here saying that I think people should be allowed to say whatever they want to say, I think as Christians that the Bible does call us to control our tongue and not to be directly offensive. So what is the N word, Efford. The S word, the H word or the C word, or whatever the word that will directly offend. One maybe might be best that we don’t have those in our vocabulary.
[Jay]
And to just tack on to what you said, Galatians 513 says for brethren, you have been called unto liberty only used, not liberty, for an occasion to the flesh, but by love, serve one another.
[MCG]
Alright, well, we’ll end it right there.
[Jay]
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[MCG]
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