Episode 207

Shane and Emily Tasker are a sweet couple called to minister to the souls in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. The DRC is a fascinating country not just for its history, but also because of the staggering number of youth that make up its population. Forty-two percent of the population is under the age of fourteen! This provides a phenomenal opportunity to reach young hearts for Christ! The Tasker family joins us in studio for a great conversation about the spiritual work they are setting out to do in that country, their calling from the Lord, and the work that’s cut out for them in this endeavor. You won’t want to miss this episode of the Removing Barriers podcast!

[Ms. Emily]

But while I was working with these children that will walk 3 to 5 miles just to come here, a Bible story. When I’m sitting there working with adults who are going to close down their workplaces just to hear the gospel because they put that before everybody, everything. Christ is first there and teenagers who they could care less what sports their friends are playing. They’re gonna be at church because they want to learn about Christ and grow in him and.

[Jay]

Thank you for tuning in to the Removing Barriers podcast. I’m Jay and I’m in MCG. And we’re attempting to remove barriers, so we can all have a clear view of the cross.

[MCG]

This is episode 207 of the Removing Barriers podcast, and this is the 23rd in the series of: on the mission field, and in this episode, we’ll be going on the mission field with missionary Shane and Emily Tasker to the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Brother Shane, it is indeed a pleasure. Welcome to the Removing Barriers podcast.

[Bro. Shane]

Wonderful. Thank you so very much for having us here and we’re looking forward to a good time together.

[MCG]

And we have your better half. Miss Emily, welcome, special welcome to you. Because we normally don’t have the wives

[Ms. Emily]

Thank you so much for having me. I’m excited to be here.

[MCG]

Definitely. And you’re gonna keep him straight for us, right?

[Ms. Emily]

I don’t know if anybody can do that.

[MCG]

Alright, well, it’s a pleasure and thank you for having us.

[Jay]

Hi, this is Jay. MCG and I would like for you to help us remove barriers by going to removingbarriers.net and subscribing to receive all things, removing barriers. If you’d like to take your efforts a bit further and help us keep the mics on, consider donating at removing barriers.net/donate, Removing Barriers, a clear view of the cross.

[MCG]

All right. Well, let’s talk about your calling, you know, start from the beginning. Tell us about your calling your family, how did this get started?

[Bro. Shane]

All right. Well, the calling to the Congo is quite interesting. First, calling to missions, I suppose I’ve been serving in a church that a missionary had planted in Pretoria, South Africa is name is Gerald Myers. That a phenomenal work there. He was in Uganda for 10 years before that. And down in Port Elizabeth for 12 years before he came to Clanton church in Pretoria. And when he did, he rarely did plant it with missions. As a main emphasis or as a very big emphasis of the church, and we really got exposed to missions from the get go. But there was a missionary that was going to Sierra Leone, West Africa. John LaBelle is his name and he couldn’t get there at the time. And due to an Ebola outbreak that took place. And So what happened is instead of coming back to the USA, he sought the Lord on where the Lord would have him while he’s waiting for. The borders to open and the South Africa was an option and he came and he planted churches and he preached one of our missions conferences and he preached on the idea of faith, promise giving or grace, giving the sacrificial giving of the Lord’s people for missions. Globally, but little did you know there was a young man sitting in the back of that hall, and the Lord was working in my heart, and I surrendered to be a missionary back then. And that was back in 2019. At that time, I didn’t know Emily yet. Little did I know that the Lord would have to bring me a wife from the other side of the world as she was serving in Botswana, Africa with her parents since 2017. I believe it was, and the Lord brought us together in November of 2022 on a trip that our church took to Botswana, who are training up a young man to go plant. Which there and that he’s our Emily. And I got to know each other and it wasn’t but what, 8 months after that even that we got married? Yeah. So the Lord really worked the missions in a great way in my life and still has us on that trajectory. So we’re very thankful for that.

[MCG]

Oh wow. Alright, Miss Emily, what’s your story?

[Ms. Emily]

Yeah. So I actually went to the mission field. My story is. But different. I went to the mission field to be with my parents. I was raised in a Christian home, but I got saved later on in life after my parents had already went to the mission field themselves.

So I went over there right after getting saved actually to be back under the authority of my father to help me grow as a Christian and as a young lady just trying to find out this way of living life as a Christian now, even knowing I had been raised, it was all new to me in the sense of I was finally the one doing it, not trying to teach others how to do it. And it was during that. First year that I was on the mission field because the plan was only to be there a year, there wasn’t a long term plan. It was going to be there a year grow and then I would turn around and come back to America and get a job and move on with my life. But while I was working with these children that will walk 3 to 5 miles just to come here, a Bible story. When I’m sitting there working with adults who are going to close down their workplaces just to hear the gospel because they put that before everybody, everything. Christ is first there and teenagers who they could care less what sports their friends are playing, they’re going to be at church because they want to learn about Christ and grow. Join him and go to camps and things like that. God really convicted my heart that he gave me a second chance at life and I was already on the mission field. I was already serving and had already been working under 2 missionaries being my parents. And how can I come back to the states when he was already using me in such a way? And that’s when I surrendered to full-time missions. And my plan was just to stay in Botswana until I met Shane. And I’ll be following him to the Congo.

[MCG]

Alright, so two years of marriage. What’s so special about? This guy.

[Ms. Emily]

It’s totally the accent.

[Jay]

That’ll do it for sure. Now let me ask you this. Yeah, I’m sure you both have very interesting. I don’t want to call it stories, but testimonies of how the Lord saved you. Can you share that with our audience? You talked about growing up in a Christian home and not getting safe until much later on. You talked about it. Was it 19 was 2019.

[Bro. Shane]

Well, 2019 call to missions year 2016 that I was saved.

[Jay]

Actually saved. Can you tell us like each of you tell us what?

[Bro. Shane]

That’s right.

[Ms. Emily]

Are your testimonies? Yes. So like I said, I was raised in a Christian home. My father’s church planting missionary now. But he was a church planter here in the states for a while. My grandfather’s also been a pastor my whole life. Other grandfather Deacon. And so really, I was raised completely around the. Industry and as the Bible says, train up a child on the way he should go. That’s exactly what my family did. They trained me up the way that the Bible taught in every way that they possibly could, and they poured into my life. But I would always hear pastors sitting there and they would preach and they would say if you love Christ, then you want to be around his people. It’s when you’re saved that you do those things. You come to church and you grow in him. But when you’re lost, you. Push away the things of Christ and you don’t want to be around as people, and you’re so focused on what’s happening in the world. And as a teenager, I would sit there and I would hear that and I’d think, oh, I wonder why I’m so interested in the world. But I’d never listen to the reasoning because I didn’t want to hear it. And so it wasn’t until my parents actually moved. If you look at my life, there’s many times where I’d seem perfectly fine and everything was great. And I was loving being in the church and working. And then very quickly, I would fall and you’d find me in the world doing something else. And it was just this constant. Roller coaster of my life and I never could piece it together. But when God called my parents to the mission field and they had left through a series of events, I actually came to realize that I wasn’t saved and part of those events where I was out with my coworkers. I was living in the. For all doing all things that you can imagine, and there was this person in my life who actually followed me, and this person took some pictures of what I was doing one night and they took him back to my pastor, who was my grandfather at the time, and my grandfather being the gracious man that he is. He still followed what the Bible said and he called me and explained to me with the deacons how you can’t be at church one day saying you love Christ and you. Love the church and you’re doing all things for him and then turn around the next day and do the complete opposite of what the Bible says and do things that are hurting Christ. And after I realized this, he told me I needed to get my life right and I needed to clean my life up and follow God’s will for my life. But I kind of found myself in this unique position of like, I don’t know what I do. If I follow what he said I needed to do. Do I turn away from God and my uncle asked me to go to church with him that next Sunday. And so I did. And while the pastor was up there preaching on the Trinity, he stopped halfway. Through his message. And he actually said that God had laid it on his heart for a few days. They’d be preaching on salvation, and he just had been pushing it to the side, but that he was going to follow and follow through with that. And he turned his message over and preached on salvation. And honestly, for the first time in my life, did I realize that I was the center so many times I had told this to other people so many times I had heard it myself. But never did I realize how much sin was in my life until that moment and how I was the one that needed Christ. But I was so ashamed at that time I didn’t want my family really knowing that I knew that I wasn’t saved, and so I kind of decided in that moment that I was going to turn away from Christ and do my own thing. But God’s very long-suffering, and he loves us and he gave me a second chance that afternoon after speaking with my uncle, a bit about all I was feeling, and I ended up getting saved that afternoon. And so it was within a week that I moved to Botswana and then all that happened with the transitions in my life. So my life really changed very quickly. Once I finally came to that realization on my own. So.

[Jay]

I said, Lord, how old were you at? That time you guys.

[Ms. Emily]

Was 2121? Yes, 21.

[Jay]

What about you, brother?

[Bro. Shane]

Right. Well, I’m so very thankful for a grandmother who was sort of that spiritual influence in my life, planting seeds and watering them, taking me to VBS as a child, reading the Bible to me pray. For me, but unfortunately she went on to be with the Lord before I came to know the Lord as my personal savior, and I got involved with all the kind of wrong things. Music I learned how to play music, and I ended up playing ungodly music like rock reggae in the world and toured with the band in South Africa and played all the wrong music in all the wrong places. I had dreadlocks down to the middle of my back. Believe it or not, and. Now I don’t have any more here for the listeners there, so take care of the hair while you have it right. But I’m so very thankful because it’s during this time that somebody gave me a DVD box set called Creation versus evolution. And I remember the gentleman on this DVD box, said said. We do not come from monkeys, and I remember my grandmother saying, Shane, Robert, we do not come from monkeys. And I thought, wow, who are these independent Baptists and why do they believe what they believe? And this led me to go searching online and I found. Preachers of yesteryear like Doctor Lee Robertson and Curtis Hudson and the like. And it was in August of 2016 on my mother’s living room floor that I trusted Jesus Christ as my personal. Savior.

[Jay]

And how old are you?

[Bro. Shane]

I was 27 years old at the time and.

[Jay]

27 and three years later called to the mission field praise the Lord.

[Bro. Shane]

There we go.

[MCG]

Well, you guys have a unique mission field because you were already in Botswana, you’re from South Africa, where you at on the mission field right now and are you going to the Congo, but where you at right now?

[Bro. Shane]

I suppose at this moment, for the past 18 months, we’ve been in the States raising support because we’ve all been working in ministries that are sort of other people’s ministries, the Ministry and the church. Back at home, the pastor had allowed me a great opportunity to learn and grow and oversee the church while he came back on furlough. And so that was really a training ground. But I was working a full time job at the time. And financial institution, Emily’s been serving with her parents in Botswana for the past. Past seven years. And so yeah, these past 18 months have really seen us go from church to church to sharing them the great need in the Congo and helping us prepare, you know, financially gathering prayer partners, preparing our hearts for the field. And so I suppose that’s a unique ministry in and of itself, that many missionaries go through. So we’re looking forward to being church planting missionaries in the Congo. That is the.

[MCG]

Going and then where in the globe is the Congo? If someone is geographically challenged, like maybe myself, how can they find the Congo?

[Ms. Emily]

Yeah. If you look in Africa, pretty much if you put your finger in the big country in the middle, you’ll hit it. That’s the easiest way to say it. So it is a large country, right in central Africa. And there is a smaller country right next to it called the Republic of Congo. And it typically gets confused with that. But that’s a much smaller country. The DRC is massive. It’s the second largest country in the continent, so can’t miss it.

[Jay]

So the full name of this country is the Democratic Republic of Congo.

[Ms. Emily]

Is that right? It is. It is.

[Jay]

OK. And adjacent to it? Is the Republic the Republic of and they are not the same thing? Nope. Got it. OK, let me think more about Congo. Like the population, the language. What are these people? Maybe religious groups and things like that.

[Ms. Emily]

Of Congo, yes. No, not at all. Yeah. Yeah.

[Bro. Shane]

Absolutely. I think Emily, now tag team over here. Congo is a very big country geographically. I mean, it’s about 1/3 of the size of the United States. So if you take the Mississippi River down all these states to the east of that is how big just that one country in Africa is. And it’s also got a population 1/3 of the size of the United States, give or takes about 120 million people. And the big thing is they’re the 120 million people of them, 49% are below the age of 14. But there’s a lot of different languages that are spoken in the Congo.

[MCG]

Hello.

[Ms. Emily]

Yes, French is their trade language. So that’s what’s spoken in the government and spoken nationwide. But the country itself has over 252. Alex, they have, I believe it’s a nine national languages and so you name it, it’s spoken there, it’s very widely diverse and people, groups and languages spoken. And so Shane and I are focusing on French just because it is the widely spoken language and starting there.

[Jay]

That’s the language that’ll probably go the farthest, since it’s the language of trade and commerce and all. That. Thing exactly. Now these different languages these different.

[MCG]

M.

[Jay]

Alex, can they understand each other? Is it like Portuguese and Spanish, where it’ll be tough, but they can communicate somewhat? Or maybe, like French and Creole, where it’s tough to communicate, but you can understand a few words? Or is it like Chinese and English, where there is no communicating whatsoever? What is that like with? All the different dialects.

[Bro. Shane]

I think a lot of those tribal languages are of a variety of depending on where you are, some of them might be very similar and some of them might be extremely different. And so I think a lot of the locals also rely on these trade languages, or should I say more regional languages like Swahili and other language that they speak in the eastern part of. The DRC and so the smaller dialects are sort of more regional, whereas Swahili for instance would blanket cover pretty much the eastern half of the DRC, the same as if you look in the West, a lot of people would be speaking French and then also in certain regions maybe like Lingala would be the language that everybody would understand other than the tribal languages, so. Bit of a yes. No answer got it.

[Ms. Emily]

Yeah. I think because there’s so many, it can kind of cover all three things that you said depending on which two you’re talking about because there are so many. So, in America, we speak English, but my English is different than Shane’s English because he speaks British English.

[Jay]

Oh.

[Ms. Emily]

My English also in my opinion is a bit different than southern English because they have a lot more slang in their English, the same as if you’re to go across to California, they’re going to sound even a bit more different cause they talk so much faster. So it kind of covers all grounds there.

[Jay]

The twang. Right. What about religions and belief systems? Is there, like a unifying religion or belief system in the DRC, or is it completely as varied as the language?

[Bro. Shane]

Right. I think there is some variation in the DRC, but I would say for the most part, they claim to be a Christian nation, but a lot of that is Catholicism. So I would say like 90 odd percent of those who claim to be Christian or actually Catholics. And a lot of those Catholic churches were sort of planted during the colonization period. And it sort of just caught on. But tribalism and traditionalism. Also has a very, very big impact and a lot of traditional beliefs are mixed in with a lot of quote UN quote Christian beliefs. So you might have Protestant groups or the Catholic groups, but a lot of people who worship in those styles will incorporate a lot of traditional beliefs within that worship. Style and so it becomes a bit of a melting pot really. If you look in a lot of countries in Africa and I can’t say all I don’t want to really paint a broad brush here, but in a lot of countries in Africa, a lot of religion looks the same. So you’ll find the Methodist pastor who’s got the robe, like the Catholic priest does, and they sort of speak in tongues like the Pentecostals, everything. Sort. Of looks and is morphed into a similar looking religion.

[MCG]

M.

[Bro. Shane]

And that confuses the people tremendously. And Emily has a really good way of explaining it, and I’ll let her do that. But it’s sort of where people pick and choose certain things from certain religions and they hold on to those beliefs and that just creates a cold. Profanity of misunderstanding. Really. Would you like to explain that?

[Ms. Emily]

Yeah. The way we try to explain it is in Africa, everybody has a bookshelf in that bookshelf represents what you believe religiously. And so you could have the Mormons come in and they teach you one thing and you’re gonna add that to your bookshelf. Then you go to the Catholics and the Catholics teach. You need to wear rosary beads around when you pray. And so you grab that and throw it on your bookshelf. Then you go to the Baptist and they tell you need to be baptized. After you get saved, so you throw that on your bookshelf. Then you go to 7th Day Adventist and find out you need to go to church. Saturday. And so your religion and aspect is this mesh of so many different things that you’ve taken from different ones and you just find a church that maybe covers a few of those. And that’s where you go. And everybody’s is so different. And so it is a very unique experience because there is so much, but there’s no straight line. Where is, I would say here you can say you’re going to a Baptist Church and all Baptist are somewhat similar over there. I mean, the Baptist could be as close to Catholic as anything else. You just there’s no straight line when it comes to names in that sense.

[MCG]

Well, yeah. Tell us about. The burden why the Congo and when did the Lord first burden your heart for the Congo?

[Bro. Shane]

Right, so after I got called to missions in 2019, the Lord started working my heart and I was praying about different places that he would have me go just really having an open mind and and doing a bit of research in the continent of Africa. And I was praying for countries like Liberia and places like Zanzibar. Just off the coast of Tanzania and areas of great need rarely, but the Lord allowed me to spend time with a missionary who was in the Congo for a long period of time. Robert Marsha’s name and he had showed me videos of his ministry and time that he was there and he had showed me pictures and really just shared tests. Many and at the time he was busy taking preaching in the language of Lingala which they speak around Kinshasa, the capital, and he was busy converting that from old records and tapes to MP3 so that they could broadcast that online and via the airwaves and the Lord rarely used his ministry to burden my heart for the people of Congo. And I suppose as we’ve been going on deputation. The Lord has really just confirmed that to us over and over and over again by meeting people and just opening up doors we thought never would be opened. And he’s really amazing as he leads and guides us, that’s for sure.

[MCG]

Hey man, you’re definite. Yes.

[Ms. Emily]

I can’t say that there was actually a moment that I felt that burden to the Congo. My heart has always been with Africa since I’ve been there, but for me it’s more of just knowing that God’s leading my husband, where we’re supposed to go and just trying to follow him and do what God tells me to do because he knows what he’s doing. So I’ll just follow him wherever he tells. Me to go. No, no.

[Jay]

Emily, we are living in 2025, they say, and women are emancipated and we don’t have to. What do you say to people? Who would say?

[Ms. Emily]

That doesn’t mean I have to be emancipated. So. In my own box.

[Jay]

Praise the Lord.

[Ms. Emily]

No, I I was raised that the man is the leader of the household and that the man is going to guide you. And I watched my mom follow my dad across the world twice. I watched my grandmothers follow their husbands all over America. And, I mean, they’ve lived great lives. So I don’t see the harm in it when God’s leading him, just following along and. For the journey.

[Bro. Shane]

So do pray for me that I keep my eyes on Christ, right? Otherwise it’s like the blind leading the blind.

[Jay]

Love that.

[Ms. Emily]

Amen.

[Jay]

Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely.

[MCG]

Definitely.

[Jay]

Yeah. Now, if you were to talk to someone that perhaps might be called to the mission field, or maybe they’re considering serving in the Congo, or maybe they’re not even sure if perhaps the Lord would have them serve in the Congo, what are some things that you would want them to know or to consider? Or to to. Think about when it comes to serving as missionaries in the DRC.

[Bro. Shane]

Right. Well, first of all, I’d say people are considering that should be really open to what the Lord would have them to do, because sometimes God leads to places and through situations that you’d never imagine really. And oftentimes those entail hills and valleys. And you know, there’s victories through that process. And there’s also a few rough times. But I would say that it’s extremely different we’re looking at. You know, we’re speaking about American population, I suppose, for the most part. Africa is extremely different to what it is over here. The variety of things and all of that, from climate, topography, languages like Emily mentioned is a 252 or different languages in the Congo, culturally, so very different, but it’s also got a very, very rough history. And I think what a lot of people might want to keep in mind is that if we can learn from the history of these places that we’re looking to Minister. To and we can be culturally sensitive to that. We might be able to win the hearts and Minister more effectively to the people than just going in there with our thoughts and our ideas. It’s really not about us. It’s about sharing Christ with these people. And so, like Paul said, becoming all things to all men that by all means I might, when some it takes a lot of work to learn those things. And I mean it’s it’s not always the the. Easiest to do. That, but as part of the process. And I think sometimes that’s negated a little bit, but yes really just be open to whatever God would have you do you want to add anything to that?

[Ms. Emily]

I would just say missions. The concept of mission sounds so scary leaving everything behind, especially going to somewhere like the Congo where you ever hear is bad things and it’s in the news constantly and it seems so scary. But it is such a joy to serve Christ and beyond that missions is just so fun. I mean. You’re getting the opportunity to do something that people would die to do, to go over and learn a new culture and learn a new language, and you have to keep a positive mindset if you allow that negativity to creep in, it’ll be a hard experience. But if you keep the positive mindset and enjoy it while your journey. It’s just going to be so exciting and sharing that with others. And so I think my biggest thing would just be don’t get so caught up in how scary it can see. Just remember, other people have done it. I mean, a lot worse conditions. We were talking earlier about some of the missionaries and years gone by and goodness they would get on a boat with their caskets and just never plan to turn back what we have today has changed the whole realm of missions. And it’s so amazing what you could do.

[MCG]

Yeah, I think had we not only went in two. For little than 50 years. So. Mm-hmm, right. Yeah.

[Ms. Emily]

Yeah.

[MCG]

Alright, so I’m interested to hear what you have to say about this question. Because you were born and raised in South Africa and you’re going to. The Congo, right? How do you handle the differences in culture? Because usually when Americans, something we think of Africa, they kind of lump it as one big country, but it’s a diverse place with diverse culture of diverse people. Do you see anything in your culture and the culture of Congo that me saying, hey, I need to learn?

[Bro. Shane]

Right.

[MCG]

Something new here? Or is it so similar that you know I’m from the Caribbean? The cultures between islands are very similar. Is that the same in Africa or?

[Bro. Shane]

I would say you are absolutely 100% by saying it’s quite diverse. I would like and probably the Congo and South Africa to being. About the same as what America would be to Mexico, you know it might be on the same land mass, but it’s a very different place. Language is different. Culture is different. Certain, you know, things that people do are just different. And so learning that is quite big. But how do you cope? You adjust, you need to adjust. But like Emily said, if you keep a positive mind.

[MCG]

OK.

[Bro. Shane]

To all of that and enjoy the journey of that adjustment, it can really be something special. You know, if you are really stuck in your way and you are fighting, that can be a horrible experience. I’m sure it would be, but yeah, it’s all part of that. Adapt and learn and you know the most growth we ever have is when we’re outside of our comfort zones, you know. And so we can pray one for another that the Lord would help us to be comfortable in our uncomfortable situations that we may just grow better.

[MCG]

After.

[Bro. Shane]

But absolutely, I would think yeah, just adapt to it.

[MCG]

Yeah. How about you, Emily? Because you have a different culture again from him.

[Ms. Emily]

I would say the cultures are very different and I truly attest Shane and I being from two different cultures to be the reason why our marriage has been so amazing so far because anytime we have an issue, we’re always like it’s just a. Culture thing. It’s cool. But the cultures are very, very different, but you just kind of have to make that decision. In your heart to go with it and learn, you have to keep an open mindset and remember you’re not in whether you’re from the Caribbean, you’re not in the Caribbean anymore life. Different. You’re not in Haiti. You’re not in America anymore, and it is a process. I mean, when I moved to Botswana, it took some time. You go through some hills and valleys learning and times and you’re like, oh, I would just love to go into a goodwill. But eventually the feeling passes. And you’re good.

[Jay]

I have a story about that I want to ask you a question about your bookshelf analogy. I want to get to that. But before I do, I have a quick story of what I’ve seen on the Internet recently since the tumultuous times since 20, what 16 in this country where you have things like Black Lives Matter and the political unrest and all that sort of thing? Well, anyway, there’s been a lot. Number of African Americans that decided that they’re going to go back to the motherland since they’re not wanted here in the US. And since everything is so racist here, they’re going to go back to Ghana or Congo or wherever, and they are absolutely floored and shocked to realize that they are the foreigners coming in to a different country. And so they take to. The Internet to complain about how it’s just not like America here. The people are this and the electricity is that and the food is this. And the houses are that. And I thought, wouldn’t you have a better time if you weren’t so concerned about your preferences and how you grew up and your culture and tried to assimilate to the culture that you. Actually went to. Isn’t that a novel idea? Maybe you wouldn’t quite be so miserable if it weren’t all me. Me. Jamie. But when you were describing how taking all of these cultural things into mind, that thing came to my mind. But I want to go back to you, Emily. The analogy of the bookshelves. I imagine that if you are in a country like the DRC, where there are 200, it was at 212 different dialects or something like that. And the languages are different. The cultures are different. I would imagine that. Perhaps. When you’re witnessing to someone, you’re probably having to start at the beginning because you don’t quite know what they’ve been taught about the truth. Well, when you get there, obviously. Do you think that you’ll find that to be the case, or do you think that it’ll be more like an accept or two culture where everyone has a basic understanding of who God is, have a basic understanding of sin, and you could probably start. From there, when you get to the Congo, what do you think it’s going to?

[Ms. Emily]

Shane would probably be able to answer that for the Congo better just because he’s been there, but the only thing I can say on that is discipleship is such a key in these situations. Getting a good discipleship, whether it’s a program or you make your own and just teaching through each specific scenario because everybody’s going to be completely different, everyone’s going to heard something different. And so this person. Might know that person might not. So you kind of have to treat them all the same. I don’t know. Do you have?

[Bro. Shane]

Yeah, I would say you know. Soul winning, or evangelism or whatever word we want to use when we are doing that out and about, whether it be in big cities, multicultural cities like Pretoria, or gabs in Botswana, or if we up in villages on the eastern parts of the Congo or wherever we are, I think we’re very sensitive and tentative to know that there are these misleading things that have been taught. And so we rarely have to break down these barriers and these. Ideas and sort of show them that exclusivity in Christ, because I I do believe you know, you’re talking about the acts chapter 2 type mentality where yes, we understand that we’re sinners and we need of something. I think that aspect is over there but the exclusivity of Christ which Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life. And no man cometh unto the father, but by me that needs to be made. Very, very. Yeah, and only in engaging in those conversations and really digging deep. It’s like taking a little pickaxe, you know, and and chiseling away that you start seeing the bones come out and then you need to deal with those bones as they come out in conversation to really be able to present the gospel in as clear a fashion as possible. And that takes time. But again, like Emily was saying a little bit earlier, we’re very thankful cause the people have a great reverence for God’s word. For the preacher. And so they will close their roadside business. Plus, for 25 minutes, 35 minutes an hour. If they need to, and you can sit down and engage in those conversations and picking that it’s a matter of questioning. Once you’ve presented the gospel and this is something that I’ve had to learn in different contexts where sometimes you just being the foreigner, quote, UN quote to them, they just want to please you and are so excited to be able to speak to you. But you really need to question their understanding before you can just. You know, lead them to the Lord because oftentimes they’ll just repeat after you and say yes, yes, yes. To try and please you. And so it gets a little bit deep in certain aspects, yeah.

[Jay]

This whole aspect of wanting to please is that a function of you said earlier that nearly 50% of the population is under the age of what was it 16 or 17 or 14 even younger. Do you think it’s a function of that? Fact.

[Bro. Shane]

I don’t know what it is. I don’t know if it’s remnants leftover from colonialism, whether it’s excitement from just having somebody else come to such a remote region. I don’t know if it might be, you know, that it’s a respect to your elders, but yet again, there’s there’s people that are way older than us that we witnessed to that would do exactly the same thing. So I don’t know what the root cause of that may be, although it might be multifaceted. But yeah, it’s just something that we need to be aware of and think any missionary in Africa would probably attest to the.

[Jay]

Right.

[MCG]

Same thing. Yeah. Let’s go back to culture a little bit. So would you fit a culture based on your description being more of acts Chapter 2 or acts chapter 70? I’m getting it closer to acts Chapter 2. What would you say?

[Bro. Shane]

I would think so. I suppose it depends what we’re looking at through those cultures, you know, so us reading through X chapter 17 a little bit earlier today and just seeing how Jason’s house was persecuted, you know, by the Jews. But yet there were many of the Grecians Bible says, not a few that believed. And they were all excited. And I do believe that sharing the gospel is really easy, but it’s not without its persecution. Because, you know, like the Catholic Church and the Congo and maybe some of the traditional leaders and all the rest of that have such a stronghold that when they start seeing something catch on, there’s a lot of persecution. Against that. And so I think it could be a bit of a mix. I don’t know if I’m allowed to say that you know, but yes, definitely an act chapter 2. But there’s definitely some aspects from the acts chapter 17.

[Jay]

Sure. Yeah.

[MCG]

OK.

[Jay]

What are some things that as you’re preparing to head there and as you are gathering support, getting everything settled, what are some needs that you have that if they were filled would make your task of sharing the gospel and getting to the DRC? Easier.

[Ms. Emily]

I would say a big one and you hear this anytime missions has brought up it’s brought up, but it’s never understood how important it is. This prayer, it is the number one most important thing to missionaries. I have heard stories of people who are woken up in the middle of the night and God lays the missionary on the heart and they start praying only to find out months or even years later that on that exact same time the missionary was being arrested or in a car accident. I mean, I’m not kidding. Stories that I have heard, we’ve experienced ourselves where a little boy came. To us and told us that he woke up that morning and when I say a little boy, I’m talking about an 8 year old that came up to us and said I prayed for you this morning, that you would have safety. Shane and I avoided a multi car accident that afternoon and it would have been our fault because of a confusion on the road and we could have been in A7 car pile up very, very easily. And I truly attested to that child got up and he prayed for us that morning. Wow. Prayer is everything to us. People going on our behalf and just asking the Lord for protection. For protection, not only in the safety way, but protection in our minds, the excitement to stay in what we’re doing, the growing of the church, finding the right people in every aspect. Honestly, you could pray almost anything and it would work for missionaries. I would say that’s the number one that I can.

[MCG]

Think of well, it’s change. I mean during that time.

[Ms. Emily]

Yes.

[Jay]

Now that’s good.

[Ms. Emily]

It was.

[MCG]

So.

[Ms. Emily]

It was a cultural. Thing.

[MCG]

Just want.

[Bro. Shane]

No, we have a rule. Keep left past right, I suppose. Here it is. Keep right past left. I just sort of switched in.

[MCG]

My mind I’m with you, brother. We drive on the. Left identity as well.

[Bro. Shane]

Yeah. So Emily touched on prayer over there. And I’d also say, you know, there’s so much that would really help me. This deputation trail now trying to raise support and you know, we constantly hear from people. Don’t go undersupported. Don’t do this. Don’t do that. Don’t do the next thing. And so are we. Being as sensitive and tentative to to be able to, you know, reach our full support levels. We’ve also got an outfit and passage fund. They call it where we are trying to save up X amount, to be able to move and settle into the. Congo and I had many missionaries, not just one or two. Tell me if I can make my wife as comfortable as what the environment would allow me to make her on the field. That’s a good thing for longevity on the field, you know. And so those are things that we all just praying towards and and trying to sort out, but also a big thing in the Congo is setting up a legal framework to have religious organisations operate under. And so we just praying for the right people. That we’d be able to get in contact with. I’m praying for the right men and women that would be able to start a Bible study and a church plant worth this, as these would be charter members into this legal framework that we go into. And so the first term is really multifaceted for us as we’re going into these things, but all of these as a kick off and as a start off point are things that are really. And for us to be fulfilled really for us to establish a long term ministry in the Congo.

[MCG]

Is there anything the churches in the US they’re doing that make your deputation your ministry to Botswana, to South Africa, to the Congo, a bit more difficult?

[Ms. Emily]

I’m not sure about that. They’re doing, maybe knowingly. I don’t know. This is kind of hard to answer. I personally feel like we need to put more focus on getting young people to surrender to missions. Mm-hmm. Shane says this thing all the time where he’s like, there’s so many more people on the planet now. Do you really think God stopped calling more? People. I don’t. I personally truly believe that parents have stopped trying to get their kids to. I have had a parent. Come up to me and ask me how in the world are your parents OK with you going over there? My child surrendered and I told them they’re not. Going.

[Jay]

Oh my.

[Ms. Emily]

I’ve heard that, and I mean I’ve heard it with my own ears, but I know it. Everybody knows things like that. It’s scary for parents, and maybe it’s the parents who need to surrender in that sense and stuffing. So I truly think that churches just. They need to have more. Either its mission trips or preaching on that, or realizations that missions is such a great need, because even that going back to the last question of what would make it easier, more people, we talked about how big the Congo is, Shane and I can’t reach it on our own. We need others to come and help. And so I think that would be it. In my opinion, absolutely.

[MCG]

Well, let’s park this a little bit. That’s an interesting statement.

[Bro. Shane]

It’s really good.

[MCG]

So parents may not want their kids to go there in public sometimes. They also grandparents that don’t want their kids to go. What can parents do to change that? And also, how do you envision churches would be able to get more young people to be interested in mission? The reason why I’m asking that is because churches have had enough time. To get people interested in soul women, local soul women, and if they’re not participating in that, yeah, they’re probably not gonna go to the at the most.

[Bro. Shane]

MHM.

[MCG]

Part of the world.

[Bro. Shane]

Right. I don’t know whether it be distraction discouragement in some places. I mean, there’s a lot of churches that are doing really good things and exposing their people to the best of their ability to missions. And yet it might be on the surrender part of those people to not want to do that. And look, I mean, the Bible says it is God that worketh in you. Both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Yeah. You know, if God calls me intimations, I’ll know he’s working on my heart for that. And I need to come to that first point of surrender. I don’t know what the future is going to. Like but I need to come to that point of surrender. You were asking about parents, for instance. You know, story of Hannah and Samuel comes to mind, you know. And she gave him to the Lord. I think if parents have an understanding and Emily and I were praying for children. But if we have an understanding that the children do not belong to us, but we are entrusted to take care of them for. The Lord for a period of time, it changes the way we are stewards over God’s children rarely and you know you look at Samuel and then how the Lord used him in a great way. And wouldn’t we want our children to be used like that? And so I don’t know. There’s many things to be able to say, but I do think that it’s a heart issue in, you know, #1, if God is calling the person, they’re just not wanting to surrender. Maybe #2 it’s the parents or the grandparents keeping them back. It’s a matter of just getting that right with the Lord, I believe sounds a little bit intense, but I believe that’s the true.

[MCG]

Yeah.

[Ms. Emily]

Yeah. When it comes to the church, I think Shane explained that a lot better. I’m obviously a woman I’ve not been in a pastoral situation, so I can’t speak for that. I know pastoring in today’s age is very difficult. And there are a lot of distractions. But in my opinion, when the parents side is helping children see that the goal in life isn’t always to have the fanciest cars. And maybe the goal in life isn’t to have. The perfect family and the perfect house and the perfect job, or even opening that door when you’re sitting down and looking at colleges, maybe encourage your child to go on a mission trip and explore that has God touched your heart on missions? Have you ever thought about that? I mean, how many parents today I think would maybe say like they’ve put a lot of focus on their child’s future. And I would just ask, like, has missions ever even been a conversation? Have you asked your child? Maybe. And so I think just making it maybe a in the home, pray for. Your missionaries open that door of missions to your child’s eyes, whether it be picking a missionary that you guys write or pen pal with another missionary kid. There’s so many missionary kids out there, I’m sure many of them. Would love for some friends. Right to and things. And I know a big thing on my heart for missionary wives is there is a big struggle for missionary wives on the field of loneliness. It spoke about very often in the missionary. Community. Just because it’s such a big issue as the wives get very, very lonely because they have nobody to talk to. And I kind of explain it in the sense of when you’re on the field, every person you run into is part of your ministry. And so if a wife here in the states kind of finds a missionary wife and reaches out to her and becomes that friend opens that and now their daughter is saying, ohh my mom. Talks to this person and we pray for this person. Kind of make just missions a more talked about thing in the home and brought up a little more.

[MCG]

Yeah, that’s interesting, because pastors wife as well have a big problem with that as well. You know, so as you mentioned, I also remember because we’ve been in this book with our kids about.

[Ms. Emily]

Yes. Same.

[MCG]

Thing.

[Jay]

Oh, Henry not.

[MCG]

Can we not? And one of the statements in the book says that a group of women actually came from England, never met. These men just came down to be their wives. You know, they were Christian woman and realized these are missionaries that need wives. And they just came down and. Married them and fulfilled.

[Ms. Emily]

Wow.

[Jay]

The need there, right. And wow, we think about marriage, right? I suppose not everyone has this view, but I would say. An overwhelming majority of Americans would have the view of marriage being like finding your Prince Charming and living happily ever after. You know the happy, cheesy type of marriage. Whereas these women were Kingdom focused and missional in terms of thinking, OK, these men are out in with Tahiti, right, right in to. 80 and there’s a need there. I know it’s not quite as romantic as we, but look at how and goodness you mentioned how Henry Knott was only on furlough twice for the whole 50 years. He was there and he didn’t see a soul come to Christ until what was it, 20 years? He’s 20 years on the mission field. And wow, the first time anyone ever received.

[MCG]

Yes.

[Jay]

Price was 20 years or at the end of those 20 years, and then he went on to serve an additional 30 years. But raising our children to. See the need and I confess it didn’t occur to me that God would call and God give me four sons. It didn’t occur to me. I’m sitting in church every week, multiple times a week. It didn’t occur to me that God might call my sons until there was a sweet lady who was a former member of our church and she just said it as a throwaway statement. She was more like she was talking about something, and she said, oh, you know. Yeah. And I’m sure you pray that God would call your sons Tamish. And I. Thought. What never occurred to me, and I thought, well, why not? It’s men who are the preachers and the teachers in the church. God gave me 4 of them. Why am I not thinking like that? And I suppose perhaps it’s either, you know, parents were too distracted with what’s going on in the world, or perhaps we’re just following in the footsteps of what we’ve known growing up or. I don’t know, but we definitely need. I’m speaking for myself. Definitely need that shift in our focus. Are we focused on things in this world? Are we thinking about the Kingdom? Are you thinking about forever? Are we thinking about eternity and the souls that are right in front of us? What do we have in our hands? Well, the Lord put four boys in. And maybe I should start thinking along those lines. So thank you for that encouragement.

[Bro. Shane]

Hmm.

[MCG]

All right. Well, what are we going to the break? And then we come back on the other end, you’re listening to the room of embarrassed podcast. We’re sitting down with Shane and Emily Tasker and we’re learning all about their mission field. We’ll be right back.

[Jay]

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[MCG]

Alright, well, let’s go into a little bit of a fun section and find out some of your favorites. Let’s start with you. Emily, what is your favorite scripture verse?

[Ms. Emily]

My favorite is Nahum, 17. It says the Lord is good a stronghold in the day of trouble, and he knoweth him that trust in him.

[MCG]

Yeah.

[Jay]

That’s a great. One, would that make him 1/7?

[MCG]

Yeah, I think you’re the second person to have chosen that one.

[Jay]

Awesome.

[MCG]

I’m with you, Shane.

[Bro. Shane]

Yes, I got first Corinthians 1558. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, unmovable, and always bounding in the work of the Lord for as much as you know that your Labour is not in vain in the Lord.

[Jay]

Man, what is your favorite historical biblical account?

[Ms. Emily]

This one I was trying to thank God am I allowed to use a parable? Does that count? The parable counts is the parable of the prodigal son. I feel like that’s somewhat of my life, and so I’ve always held to that. Should not Paul’s conversion just the transformation that God can have in one’s life again? Amen.

[Bro. Shane]

Yes, mine is the account of the Lord leading the children of Israel out of Egypt by the hand of Moses, and that was really just exciting to see what a powerful God we serve and how quickly sometimes we forget how mighty and awesome he is. But he’s continually there and continually working in our lives.

[Jay]

Yeah, definitely. You know, brother, this past Sunday, I was teaching Sunday school in the fours and fives class and we were talking about the walls of Jericho coming down and rehab with the red ribbon and. Window and all that, and perhaps I wasn’t thinking about this, but they basically asked why are you helping us? And she said, hey, we heard about what your God did in this place and in that place. And I think it’s amazing how at every step, as the Lord was leading them out, he would have them do things to remember, whether it’s stacking up the 12 Stones or whatever he was because it’s so easy to forget, like, look at. Now in this day. You would think about. Ohh did he really split the Reds? Ohh, come on, it was just a Creek, right? It wasn’t really a sea. Or did he really do this? Or did he really do that? But when we think about all the mighty things God actually did and what he’s doing today. Your testimonies, and it’s always amazing to see and to hear about God working in the lives of people through his people, right, which is incredible. The story of Moses. All right, what is your most convicting Scripture passage?

[Ms. Emily]

I have Matthew 936. It’s the beginning when it says, but when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them. The concept of me asking myself when I see a group of people in a mall or in a restaurant, do I have compassion on them at all? Do I worry about where their soul is going? And it’s very convicting to. To think of how much compassion Christ has for us. Yet I go by so many people day by day and never think twice about where they’re going to spend eternity.

[MCG]

Yeah, so true.

[Bro. Shane]

Mine is first Corinthians 16 and verse 13 and 14. The Bible says watch ye stand fast in the faith. Quit you like men. Be strong. Let all your things be done with charity and that just shows me that I need to stand on my convictions and I need to stand strong. And what the Lord would have me do. But yet everything that I am to do is to be done in love.

[MCG]

Yeah, our brother. Let’s go with you this time. What is the most competent cryptoverse to you?

[Bro. Shane]

Wonderful. I like Hebrews 13. Five. It says little conversation. Be without covetousness and be content with such things as he have, for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. That is so comforting, knowing that our saviours with us all the time.

[Ms. Emily]

Mine is John 1 three. All things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made and just the concept that Christ is in control of everything he made, everything he knows what’s going on and everything. I never have to worry about anything cause he made it. He’ll take. Care of it?

[MCG]

We’ll be careful about this one because we might just ask you this thing.

[Jay]

We’ll ask it what is your favorite hymn of the faith?

[Ms. Emily]

Mine is saved, saved. Ohh I love yes.

[MCG]

Oh.

[Jay]

But you’re not gonna ask her to sing it.

I’m just kidding. I’m.

[Jay]

Just kidding. What about you brother Shane?

[Bro. Shane]

Mine is how great thou art.

[Jay]

Oh, that’s a great one. Yeah, great one.

[MCG]

So the last one here, who is your favorite giant of the faith from the Bible?

[Ms. Emily]

Mine is Esther, and the book is altogether is amazing of how God’s not written but seen in every part of.

[MCG]

MHM.

[Ms. Emily]

Of it and her ability just to follow in all of these steps, having no earthly idea what God was doing behind the scenes and how she would have such an impact is beautiful to me. And she’s such a giant of faith in every step she took.

[Bro. Shane]

I’m going to interject 2 here. I’m going to give an Old Testament giant for me is Moses and how God just really preserved his life and had great plans for him later on. And you know, and and how he was a friend. The Bible says that he was a friend of God and that was really, really special. But in the New Testament, Stephen, I think really stands out all too with all that he went through. But Stephen, as they were stoning. And how he just kept his eyes focused on Christ and still had compassion on the people that were stoning.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Bro. Shane]

Yeah. And just shows Love’s Christ in Christ loves or in a different way very special.

[Jay]

You know, Emily, you mentioned Esther being one of your giants of the faith, and at least one of me some time for this. But I didn’t understand her particular situation very well until I watched I. It’s sort of like a documentary slash drama of the Qing dynasty, where the emperor would have all of these women. He’d have, like a main wife, and then he’d have a harem and. Let’s see. Well, you get a bunch of women in in the. Yes, yes. It ever occurred to me not only the fact that she was following the Lord like she was is amazing. In light of that was her situation. It wasn’t just her. As queen. There were a bunch of concubines and a whole bunch of other women. And I’m sure they were all clawing for the seat or or trying to use their position. And you’ve got an unsaved king. Of. By all accounts, or by what we would think and just. Mining or stepping through what a minefield that must. Have been and following the Lord, even in that situation makes it even more incredible to think about because I imagine tying it back to the Qing dynasty. I’m sure it was the same. Well, they’re not saved, but just yeah, the wisdom that God gave and how he put her there for that particular purpose at that time for such a time as this, it got me thinking of that and that’s.

[Ms. Emily]

Yes.

[Jay]

Really amazing. Again, our wonderful God, and how he how he works.

[Ms. Emily]

Yes.

[Jay]

What are some of the biggest barriers, whether they’re big or small, that are preventing the people in the DRC from receiving the gospel that you know of? I imagine this idea. Of the bookshelf where you just have all of these different ideas about what it is to serve God, none of which will serve you. None of which counts towards salvation. I imagine it’s a myriad of things. Can you give us a glimpse into some of the biggest ones that you think that you’ll face once you get? Here.

[Ms. Emily]

Yeah, I think the lack of people there spreading the gospel, we think about how many people there are there. We only know a handful of missionaries. So I kind of want you to imagine if you lived in Texas and you wanted to go to church, it’s very to a good church that, you know, is preaching the truth. You kind of need to drive all the way over to goodness. I don’t know, Alabama, or maybe even further, just to find a church. And you’re not going to be able to do that weekly. It’s finding. Yeah, the workers. There’s just such an.

[Jay]

The workers.

[Ms. Emily]

And think about 50% almost 50% being below the age of 14. The opportunity that is there to reach those children and have an impact on that country in the future. But who’s gonna do it? I would say that’s honestly, in my opinion, one of the biggest barriers. And then one of the smaller barriers is just maybe the. Idea of learning a new language and learning to live in a society that you’re not used to. The culture differences. I would say that’s a smaller barrier and this is that we have to overcome, maybe not a barrier that they have to overcome, but something that we need to overcome ourselves.

[Bro. Shane]

That’s good answer. The fields are white, ready to harvest. I’ve thought of this and you know, tribalism comes to mind, is how I’m so set in a tribal way of living and religion forms part of my tribal identity. And so breaking away from that really disappoints my mother, my father, my grandparents. And if I come from a a line where my family is the witch doctor, it’s even worse, you know. And so there’s those things that are just holding people back that might be willing or wanting to receive. And you know, just those false ideologies, but also sometimes in parts of our. Africa and it’s not true for all of it, but in certain parts of it, Christianity, seen as the Western man’s religion, you know, and so that is your God and what you believe. And this is what we have and what we believe. And then also the A confusion among denominations like we spoke about the book shelf idea you had mentioned there where you know, religion is a mile wide but really.

[Jay]

Right.

[Bro. Shane]

An inch deep, there’s not much to it.

[MCG]

Right.

[Bro. Shane]

Yeah. And then there’s one real problem that we face and it’s it’s sort of in southern Africa, it’s in central Africa, it’s in East Africa. We’ve seen it. It’s almost like a hyper charismatic movement that’s going on. They call them fire churches, at least down in southern Africa. And it’s very hyper charismatic and Pentecostal in nature and very loud and bombastic and.

[Ms. Emily]

Hmm.

[Bro. Shane]

Sort of smacking people around and, you know, trying to bark like dogs and it’s it’s really, really rough, but it’s really got a hold on people and a lot of those quote UN quote.

[MCG]

Hmm.

[Bro. Shane]

Teachers are exploiting people of a lot of money and it really turns people off and it really tightens the government’s grip on religion because they try and protect the people from these type of hyper charismatic movements that are happening but yet a lot of the time it’s only the hyper charismatic movements that can afford to pay all the legal things and so. It’s having an adverse effect really in a lot of ways, but those are one of the barriers that we are facing. But we know that our God is bigger than all of that and he can remove those barriers.

[Jay]

I see.

Amen!

[Bro. Shane]

Is on our behalf.

[MCG]

Yeah. What are we going to that, how can those barriers be removed?

[Bro. Shane]

Be removed like we said a little bit earlier, just teaching the exclusivity of Christ and trying to break down those cultural barriers or the barriers of Miss truth that have been shared in times past. I would also just say preach the truth to love on people because people can feel when you have a vested interest in them, not in. What they’re doing, not in where you want them to be, but in who they. Are and really just invest in them, but then also that reflects Christ’s love through you to them. And if we to be lights and if we are to be sold, you know there will be times where we rub people up the wrong way, but we are to constantly be showing the light or shining the light of Christ. And the truth portrays through that. Do you have anything to add there?

[Ms. Emily]

And I would say prayer is such a big part of breaking that down. If pray if God’s called you, but if he hasn’t called, you pray that others will be sensitive and tentative too. If God’s called them and just pray for.

[Bro. Shane]

Yes.

[Ms. Emily]

Laborers. Exactly what the Bible says.

[MCG]

Miss Emily’s brother Shane. It was a pleasure. Thank you for joining us and the removing various podcasts.

[Bro. Shane]

Thank you very much for having us MCG.

[Ms. Emily]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Jay]

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[MCG]

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