Episode 231

While discussing Donald Trump, Joy Behar, the ever-productive source of insane speech, claimed that Jesus never called Himself the Messiah. She said that with a straight face, full conviction, without hesitation or doubt. When rebutted by her cohosts, Behar declared that it would be narcissistic for anyone to declare themselves the Messiah, even if, as in Jesus’ case, you really are. Trump’s narcissism was the context for this discussion on The View, but it reveals something deeper about what Behar and the entire panel thinks of who Jesus is and what He came to do. Who, exactly is Jesus Christ? Is He the promised Messiah? Do we have to believe that Jesus is the Messiah in order to be right with God? What happens if we don’t? On this episode of the Removing Barriers podcast, we react to the sound clip, but we also take a look at the Biblical underpinnings of Christ’s claims as Messiah, and why we should believe Him.

[Jay]

Says who? Says Joy Behar, the 83-year-old that just was born yesterday, compared to the living God of the universe. And so for her to position herself as his judge, not only trying to rewrite his story or rewrite what we know about him in scripture, but puffing herself up and making a declaration about his character, that he’s a narcissist of some sort. We can’t stand for that.

Thank you for tuning in to the Removing Barriers Podcast. I’m Jay and I’m MCG. And we’re attempting to remove barriers so we can all have a clear view of the cross.

[MCG]

This is episode 231 of the Removing Barriers Podcast. And in this episode, we will be discussing the non-viral claim by a co-host of The View, Joy Beha, when she said that Jesus was not Messiah, but a narcissist, if you say he is.

[Jay]

Hi, this is Jay. MCG and I would like for you to help us remove barriers by going to removingbarriers.net and subscribing to receive all things removing barriers. If you’d like to take your efforts a bit further and help us keep the mics on, consider donating at removingbarriers.net slash donate. Removing barriers, a clear view of the cross.

[MCG]

All right, here is Joy Beha of the view, making her Wise claim.

[The View]

Jesus himself did not run around saying, I’m the Messiah. I’m the Messiah. Oh, Jesus is right. You’re supposed to have a little bit of… That’s exactly what Jesus said. I am. You know what? No, he did not. Jesus was one of the things. The Pope’s got him Jesus. He’s got God behind. She just said, I knew Jesus. Jesus was not narcissistic like this guy. And by the way- When you are the Messiah, it’s not narcissism to say it. Yes, it is. When you are the Messiah- I’m gonna move this along because this is like, it’s too much for me.

[MCG]

All right, so there you have it. He’s not Messiah. He didn’t run around saying he was Messiah, and he said he’s a narcissist. All right, Jay, let’s start by talking about who is Joy Beha, and then we’ll get into that claim as we go along.

[Jay]

Joy Behar needs no introduction. She’s an American comedian and one of the hosts of the daytime talk show The View. She has a history of some pretty awful takes on Christianity and on Christ and Christians, which I’m sure we’ll get into. Her views have provided us with enough stuff to talk about on the podcast for weeks on end, and I think it’s represented in the clip that you just played who she is and what she stands for.

[MCG]

All right, well, I think the last time, I don’t know if that’s the last time we talk about her, but I think she made a claim or Whoopi made a claim that someone wasn’t using their real name. I think it was the Republican presidential candidate, Nikki, what’s her last name?

[Jay]

Nikki Haley.

[MCG]

Nikki Haley wasn’t using her real name. No, I think that was Sunny saying that. And it was interesting as we dig into it, Sunny, real name is not Sunny, Whoopi real name is not Whoopi. Joy Behar real name is not Joy. Her name is actually Josephine Victoria Beha, which is her married name. Her husband is Joe Beha. And also she apparently has been… co-host of The View for the last 28 years or so. I think there was a little bit break at some point, but about 28 years ago, she started co-hosting for The View. And that’s apparently since the inception of The View.

[Jay]

Yes, back when Barbara Walters was…

[MCG]

Right, and she is actually 83 years old, so she’s no young spring chicken.

[Jay]

Wow.

[MCG]

And she’s no stranger to outrageous comments, as you said. Anyway, here is Joy Behar with a history of Maybe I should say misrepresenting Christ or Christianity or whatever the case may be, but this is not the first time she had something crazy to say.

[The View]

I think what was interesting is that she said that Jesus tells Mike Pence things to say. When was she around Mike Pence, though? Well, obviously she was around him because she knows a lot more than I think that we all know about Mike Pence. But what I do know about Mike Pence is I went to law school in Indiana. He is a hated figure there, actually. He’s not very popular at all. And I think when you have a Mike Pence that now sort of puts this religious veneer on things and calls people values voters. I think we’re in a dangerous situation. Look, I’m Catholic. I’m a faithful person, but I don’t know that I want my vice president, um, speaking in tongues and having a rational speech.

Like I said before.

I don’t know if I want that.

It’s one thing to talk to Jesus. It’s another thing when Jesus talks to you.

Exactly.

Okay, well… That’s different. That’s different. That’s called mental illness.

[MCG]

If I’m not, I’m going to let it finish, but you heard Jerry Baha say one thing for you to talk to Jesus and another thing for Jesus to talk to you. And Sonny Baha, who you heard first, Sonny Houston, actually, who you heard first promptly agreed with her after she went through the spill that she’s Catholic and she’s faithful. Anyways.

[Jay]

And all of the other women that profess Christ on that show are laughing with all 26 of their teeth out, laughing as though this is a funny matter. But that’s for another.

[MCG]

Let the clip finish.

[Jay]

Correct.

[The View]

I’m not hearing voices.

You know, Joy, as a Christian, that’s just par for the course. You talk to Jesus, Jesus talk to Vac. What concerns me is how long is the conversation with Jesus? Jesus is telling him to say things. I mean, but that’s what I’m saying. You know, if you talking to, you know, because I talk to Jesus for a parking space.

Can he talk? My question is, can he talk to Mary Magdalene without his wife in the room?

I don’t know. I just think that does when everything is, you are saying Jesus is, I think even in the Bible, it says, do all things in moderation. So anything that is too much is concerning. But do we want our politics served to us with a religious veneer?

[MCG]

No. There’s so much things to talk about there. But anyways, this clip that we just played is about a decade old. And of course, it’s obviously when Mike Pence was vice president on the Donald Trump first term. And there’s a lot of stuff there that we can go into, but when is it okay? When did it start to be okay for the left to make fun of mental illness? Since they claim Mike Pence has a mental illinguist.

[Jay]

It’s only okay when they do it. You can’t do it. It’s only okay when they do it.

[MCG]

I see.

[Jay]

On another front, you would never hear them talk that way about any other religion. You would never catch them dead talking like this about Muslims and Islam. You will never catch them dead talking like this about Buddhists or any other religion. But for some particular reason, I can’t fathom what that reason is. They feel not only comfortable, but justified in dragging the name of Christ through the mud and tarnishing his name and making light of his name. and of the faith at every turn. And I wonder why that is, but the Bible gives us a clear answer as to why that is.

[MCG]

Right. I just interested in that even the ones that claim to be Christians say, well, it’s how long the conversation.

[Jay]

Right.

[MCG]

Well, how long she was talking to you?

[Jay]

And that was Sherry Shepherd. That was Sherry Shepherd, who from her own lips has a testimony of being a born again believer.

[MCG]

Well, I don’t know. I don’t know her personally, but To me, it’s like…

[Jay]

At least that’s what she says.

[MCG]

How long should you talk to Jesus? As long as you want, and he will talk to you as long as you are listening. Anyways, let’s stick to it in terms of the narcissism claim. And let’s define narcissism, because I think we throw this term around A lot. But to my understanding, and of course, I’m not a professional, narcissism is a clinical term, you know, narcissistic personality disorder.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[MCG]

It has to be diagnosed by a mental health professional. I think colloquially we mean someone who’s full of themselves or totally self-centered when we use the word outside of a clinical term. So if she’s saying that Jesus is full of himself and totally self-centered, let that thinking because the person who was most selfless to walk up on the face of the earth To choose to die in Joy Beha’s place, so Joy Beha can one day come to a saving knowledge of him, if she so decide to. Up to this point, as far as I know, she has rejected him. But the person who decided to take Joy Beha’s sin upon himself so she can live, she is saying that he is self-centered and full of himself.

[Jay]

She’s putting herself in a position to judge him. She is making a judgment claim about him and who he is. And you’re right, the short definition of narcissism is this extreme preoccupation with yourself, and it’s apparently named after a Greek mythological figure who fell in love with his own reflection in the pool. I think his name was Narcissus. But modern psychology says that a certain degree of self-preoccupation is not only normal, but healthy. It’s only when that preoccupation or self-centeredness, when that obsession impairs other aspects of your life or it hurts other people, that’s when it becomes a pathological issue. That’s when it becomes detrimental. And at that point, it’s labeled narcissistic personality disorder or NPD. And it’s a personality disorder that’s characterized by arrogance, entitlement, and extreme need for validation. Or you could go the opposite way, extreme need for admiration, low levels of empathy, you’re hypersensitive to criticism, and there are other dispositions or personality traits that fall within this diagnosis. And what I find interesting about psychiatry, or at least some of the definitions that they put forth, is that the symptoms, in order to diagnose something are literally as wide as the earth is round. It’s almost as if any clinical definition can be described by almost any symptom. So narcissism is not just an extreme need for validation, which is an exaggerated view of oneself. You can also be a narcissist if you have an extremely low view of yourself, and it’s this continuum, which is why they say, You have to be diagnosed by a mental health professional. You know, I don’t think I have a hot take here. I am very, very leery and wary of psychology and psychiatry. I think there’s some good, some truth, but I do take what they say with a pint of salt only because the psychiatric and the psychological frameworks that pretty much govern how we see one another and how we treat one another in our society and in our world today, they don’t take into account the scriptures. In fact, they scoff at the scriptures and they attribute to people a disposition that the Bible does not say that we have. According to psychiatry and psychology, generally, they think that we are blank slate and that we are either influenced by our surroundings, by our interactions, and while there’s some truth to that, they completely ignore and discredit the truth that the scriptures say, that is, that we are born in sin, we are born with a disposition, with a bent towards sin and sinful behavior. And so psychiatry really can’t be very useful with that in mind. What the scriptures say when it talks about the self and this love of self, the scriptures make it very clear what that is. 2 Timothy 3, verses 2 through 9 talks about what people are going to be in the last time, and it describes men that shall be lovers of their own selves. covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, truce-breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God, having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof, and from such turn away. I think that the way that scriptures describes people, describes the human nature, is a lot more helpful than what we hear in psychiatry and psychology. Please hear me clearly. I’m not completely discounting that field. I’m just saying that we need to take it with a grain of salt, and we need to weigh it, whatever we hear, against the scriptures. If Joy Behar is calling Christ a narcissist, This is no small thing. She’s not just saying that he has a selfish thought here or there. She’s saying something completely different because what the Bible describes as a so-called, what people will call a narcissist, is way deeper and much more sinful and evil and ugly than just calling someone selfish or full of themselves.

[MCG]

You know, I was talking to someone recently, and she was saying when she got saved, she immediately, cold turkey, got off her anti-depressant drugs. And, you know, she was saying she doesn’t understand why Christian needs them. And again, I’m not a mental health professional, but I personally believe that even this academic of depression that we have going on, especially among the youth, you’re talking about teenagers into your mid to late 20s, where majority of young people, teenagers and Gen. Zs are depressed and on SSRI, drugs and all these things.

[Jay]

Right.

[MCG]

I personally believe that’s a form of selfishness. They fully consume with themselves. Again, it’s no one gonna look and say, hey, you’re a knucklehead, you don’t know anything about these things. And that might be true, but that’s my personal opinion that a lot of these things are just… people being full and absorbed of themselves. And that leads to this because I believe that, again, I know there’s some Christians that take this and again, I’m no professional. So if you’re comfortable and you say, I’m going to stick with my professional, I’m not going to get down on you on that. But I just personally believe that Christ can help you with that. The gospel can help you with that.

[Jay]

Absolutely.

[MCG]

But going back to Joy Behar saying that, hey, he never claimed to be Messiah, but he’s a narcissist. Obviously, if he’s a narcissist, he’s a sinner. And if he’s a sinner, then the whole of biblical Christianity implodes. Right. Because then he couldn’t die for our sins because he needed someone to die for his sins since he’s a sinner. But I’m not going to go down that trail. Let’s talk about the fact that she said he’s not Messiah.

[Jay]

You have to be some kind of, forgive me for saying this, but you have to be some kind of, some kind of special. to look at the life of Christ and declare that he was not Messiah.

[MCG]

Well, let’s start with the Old Testament. Old Testament prophecies regarding the Messiah. So, but before I get into that, I only have a few verses there because I don’t think I need to use a whole lot of verses there. Let’s define the term Messiah, because a lot of the time we turn the term around, we don’t define it. I think simply put, the term means the anointed or the chosen one. The Hebrew word is Mashiah. and the Greek word is Christos which of course is where we get the term Christ so when we say Jesus Christ we’re actually saying Jesus the Messiah so where in the Old Testament was Jesus prophesied to be the mashia or the Messiah well I’m going to start in Isaiah 42 verse 1 the Bible says there behold my servant whom I uphold mine elect in whom my soul delighted I have put my spirit upon him he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles so there that term mine elect there means chosen one AKA mashia or the Messiah and I’m going to get deep into Isaiah chapter 42 but of course it’s a prophetic passage about Jesus Christ I’m going to jump down to Isaiah 61 1-3 where the Bible says the The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because the Lord had anointed me to preach good things unto the meek. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound, to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all that mourn, to appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness, and that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified. Now, if you cross reference this to Luke chapter 4, verse 17 to 21, where Jesus was in a synagogue on the Sabbath day, the Bible says here, and there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah, which is Isaiah. when he had opened the book he found a place where it was written the spirit of the Lord is upon me because he had anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor he has sent me to heal the brokenhearted to preach Deliverance to the captives and the recovering of sight to the blind to set at Liberty them that are bruised to preach the acceptable year of the Lord and he closed the book and he gave it again to the minister and sat down and and the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fasted on him and he began to say unto them this day is this scripture fulfill in your ears he just went back to Isaiah 61 and read the same passage and he said to the folks hey this day is this scripture fulfilling your ears fulfill how in him he is the anointed one he is the one who’s going to come and do all these things so Old Testament prophecies, and we can go in a lot more prophecies, of course. And a lot of them, we read a lot of them during the December timeframe when we celebrate Christmas. A lot of them prophecies of who he is. But I’m going to let you jump in on that if you have anything to add.

[Jay]

Yeah, I want to jump in and talk about the word Messiah, meaning anointed one, and point out how throughout history there have been several instances of people being anointed, being the anointed one. Isaiah 45, refers to King Cyrus as God’s anointed. Of course, historically, King Cyrus having been the one to give the edict for the Jews to go back and build their wall in the time of Nehemiah, I believe it was. So this term Messiah, you know, it has a common meaning, but there’s also a meaning that only Christ can fulfill. This is what makes what Joy Behar said so egregious, because Throughout history, you can argue that there have been many chosen ones. God chose many different men at specific points in history to save his people from whatever calamity they were facing at a particular time. And I mentioned King Cyrus being one of them. But this particular Messiah, Jesus Christ himself, he fulfilled absolutely all of the Old Testament prophecies that declared that he would be a priest. that he would be a king, that he would be the savior, and that he would be the prophet. It’s this one unique person that fulfilled all of these very important offices, if you would. You could say about Cyrus, he was a king, but he wasn’t a prophet and he wasn’t a savior per se. He was certainly wasn’t a priest. You could say that when the Lord pulled out Joshua to lead the people, okay, you could say that he was the leader. You could even say that maybe he was a, you know, you can’t even really say this, but a savior in the sense that he’s who the people needed right at that time. But he wasn’t a king and he wasn’t the priest, the high priest that could atone for the sins of the people, which is insane to say too. because even the high priest of Israel could not himself atone for the sins of Israel. But this man, this Messiah, this foretold and forepromised Savior, not only atoned for our sins by shedding his own blood on the cross, He is also a high priest after the order of Melchizedek, the Bible says. He is not only a king, he is the fulfillment of the Davidic promise, the Davidic covenant, where God promises that there will forever be the line of David on the throne. The throne of David will continue forever, the Bible says. He’s not just a man who came to save the Jews or his people at a particular time. He is literally the savior of the world, the Bible says. And to reduce that to nothing as she did is incredibly egregious and blasphemous. I know that perhaps people throw that term around perhaps a little too glibly, but what she said was nothing short of blasphemous. The Bible says in Psalm 110, verse 4, The Lord hath sworn and will not repent. Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. And in Hebrews chapter 1, the Bible asks, To which of the angels did God ever say, you are my son. I have begotten you this day. Of course, I’m paraphrasing. I’m not reading directly from the scripture. Sit thou at my right hand until I make your enemies thy footstool. In Hebrews chapter 6 and in verse 20, it says that whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus made an high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. Remember, if you remember in the Old Testament, Melchizedek was a king that Abraham paid tithes to and honored long before there was any Levi or tribe of Levi. So Christ is greater, Christ is greater than this. A king, Isaiah chapter one, verses one through four, I’m sorry, not chapter one, chapter 11, verses one through four, if I could pull it up here quickly, it says, and there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, a branch shall grow out of his roots, and the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge in the fear of the Lord, and shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord. And he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth. And he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins: The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, the leopard shall lay down with the kid. Who are they describing here? It’s not some nobody that you could just glibly throw his name around. This is the King of kings and the Lord of lords. Matthew chapter 22, this is Jesus speaking here. And verse 41 says, while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, saying, what think ye of Christ? Whose son is he? They say unto him, the son of David. He saith unto them, how then doth David in spirit call him Lord? saying, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand till I make thine enemies thy footstool. I mentioned this before. If David then called him Lord, how is he his son? This is not some king in the history of Israel that God put in place. This is not every other person mentioned in the lineage that you would probably find in the Hall of Fame. This is the savior, the king, the high priest, the prophet. And to just reduce him to a narcissist is absolutely wild. And blasphemous. In Deuteronomy chapter 18, oh, I mentioned this already about Melchizedek and Isaiah 53 you mentioned earlier refers to him as the Savior. Isaiah 53 says, who hath believed our report and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant and as a root out of a dry ground. He hath no form nor comeliness when we shall see him. There is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief, and we hid, as it were, our faces from him. He was despised, and we esteemed him not. Does this sound like a narcissist? Does this sound like someone beating their chest and seeking admiration and validation? Absolutely not. Verse 4 continues and says, Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows, yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted, but he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities, the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and with his stripes, we are healed. It’s funny when she calls him a narcissist, because a narcissist will do something to you, will wrong you, and then make you feel bad for what they did, or will gaslight you into thinking that what they did wasn’t actually what they did. This doesn’t sound at all like a narcissist. This sounds like someone who, as it describes here, he wasn’t someone that even lifted up his voice to contend for himself when it came to the punishment of God, falling upon him, undeservedly falling on him. actually. So to call him a narcissist, I sound like a broken record right now, but Christians everywhere should be appalled by what she said.

[MCG]

Yeah, definitely. He’s definitely attacking our savior.

[Jay]

Absolutely.

[MCG]

But she said that Jesus didn’t claim to be Messiah. Let’s dive into that a little bit.

[Jay]

Okay.

[MCG]

You know, if Jesus claimed to be Messiah, And we are really sure that their prophecy showing that he is Messiah, he is Savior from the Old Testament. So you would have to go to the New Testament now to show that Jesus either claimed or didn’t deny the fact that he was Messiah.

[Jay]

Right.

[MCG]

I will start with John chapter four, verse 25 and 26. Of course, John chapter four is a famous passage. And this is talking about what we refer to as the woman at the well. And of course, she got saved and she went out and grabbed a bunch of other women to come and see Christ. So John 425, The woman said unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ. When he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus said unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

[Jay]

It doesn’t get much clearer than that.

[MCG]

So Joy Beha, yes, he went around saying he was the Messiah, because he is.

[Jay]

Amen.

[MCG]

And just as some of your co-hosts may have said, even though I don’t know if they meant it or not, It’s not narcissism to say that you are something or someone who you are. I’m a husband. It’s not narcissism to say I’m a husband or I’m a father. It’s not narcissism to say that I’m a father. It’s just facts. Anyways, Luke 2 verse 11, the Bible says, for unto you is born this day in the city of David, a savior, which is Christos, the Lord, which is Christ the Lord, which is Messiah?

[Jay]

Messiah and Savior in the same sentence.

[MCG]

The Lord. John chapter 20, 30 and 31. And many other signs surely did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book. But these things are written, that he might believe that Jesus is the Christ, that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that believing he might have life through his name. Matthew 16 verse 13 to 17. When Jesus came into the coast of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Who do men say that I the son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist, some Elias, and others Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He said unto them, But whom say he that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, not a Christ, but thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered and said unto him, Hush, Peter, don’t say that. No, he said, Blessed art thou, Simon bar Jonah, for flesh and blood had not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Jesus didn’t deny that he’s Messiah. He told the woman of the world that Yes, I am he. And there is prophecies that when he was born, declaration was made that this is the Savior, which is Messiah, the Lord. The Bible make it clear from the Old Testament to the New Testament, from Jesus’ own lips, that I am the Messiah. I don’t know how much clearer than that it can be, Joy Beha, but even history is on our side here.

[Jay]

I want to go back to the verse that you mentioned in John chapter 20, verse 25. This is where Jesus is raised from the dead, and then eight days later he appears, and that’s the verse about, I’m sorry, the scripture passage about Thomas doubting, and he was able to stick his fingers into the wounds in his hands and see that Christ is indeed resurrected. The fact that the Lord rose again on the third day is proof that he is who he says he is. You just went through so many verses in the New Testament in which Christ not only explicitly calls himself Messiah, but also doesn’t deny when other people acknowledge him as Messiah. And all of this, this verse right here, John chapter 20, the resurrection is where all of this is hinged. All of this is hinged upon the resurrection. If Christ did not raise from the dead, Joy Behar was telling the truth, we are all a miserable group of people and we are dead and lost in our sins. But he did raise again. And think about what he endured, what Isaiah 53 says about him. Even as he endured all of these terrible things during the crucifixion, not a single thought ever entered his mind. that was sinful. Not a single sinful thought ever entered his mind. Even when he was under such terrible duress, he never sinned against God. He never sinned. The Bible says that he was tempted in all points like as we are, and yet he was without sin. He never had an entitled thought like a narcissist would, even though he is king of the universe who condescended and lowered himself to be treated as such. He never had an entitled thought. Instead, he humbled himself even to the death of the cross, the Bible says. He never had a self-aggrandizing thought like a narcissist would. He never puffed himself up to be what he isn’t, claiming what he’s not. unlike her father, unlike Joy Behauer’s father, the devil, who thought five arrogant thoughts against God, as we are told in Isaiah 14. Isaiah 14 said, I’m going to start reading from verse 12, How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning? How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations? For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven. I will exalt my throne above the stars of God. I will sit upon the mount of the congregation in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds. I will be like the most high. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell to the sides of the pit. Jesus never thought any of those arrogant I will thoughts, even though all All of those things are true of him. As creator of the universe, he is the one who is seated high and exalted. He is the one that has ascended into heaven. He is the one who all these things are true about him. But he never had an arrogant thought. Like I mentioned, he humbled himself even to the death of the cross. Jesus was not brought down to hell like Lucifer was. He was raised on the third day, and he is seated at the right hand of the Father right now, interceding for us. It’s proof that he is indeed the Messiah, not some narcissist, as she claims that he is. He is indeed the Messiah that we were promised in the Old Testament. And under all that terrible punishment, as I said, he never had a self-serving thought. He could have easily called. What did he say? I forget which disciple he said this to. It might have been Peter, where he said he could call a legion of angels to come to his aid, right? But he didn’t. He submitted to the will of the Father. He drank that cup down to the last terrible terrible dreg in that cup of wrath. He never had a self-serving thought. Instead, he cried out to God that they would be forgiven, that we would be forgiven because we know not what we do. The Lord might have been crucified 2,000 years ago, but you and I were there driving the nails into his hand. We are the reason that he was nailed to the cross. This is not some narcissist.

[MCG]

Right. as you were reading there in Isaiah chapter 12, there’s an old saying that, go, the devil is selling the typewriter with a worn out capital I. The more you’re full of yourself, the more like the devil they are, because it was, maybe you can argue that it was narcissism that caused them to be kicked out of heaven.

[Jay]

Sure.

[MCG]

So you can even go as far, maybe she’s even equated Christ to having characteristics of the devil, which is, you know, sobering to just to think about. But for her to say something like that, if you want to, extend it to that degree?

[Jay]

Right. She may not think that she is, but she certainly is rising to that level.

[MCG]

Yeah, definitely. But you’re talking about someone who, even if, God forbid, but even if we remove the deity aspect of Christ, which we believe that he’s God, the Bible teaches that he’s God, and remove all those aspects of it, you are talking about someone who, for the very, at least in all the trials that he had, was declared innocent.

[Jay]

Yep.

[MCG]

And yet he died, not for something that he did, but because of what we have done. Let’s make that thinking. Yeah. Which narcissist would die for someone else? No, they probably think the person deserve it if the person doesn’t affirm them. So.

[Jay]

And even if they did die for someone else, they would want the glory and the honor that comes with that. They would never receive it with the humility that Christ did. You want to know who’s the real narcissist? I’m the narcissist. We are the narcissists, not him.

[MCG]

All right, you’re listening to the Removing Barriers podcast. We are in the middle of an episode. We’ll be discussing the co-host of The View, Joy Beher, comments that Jesus was not the Messiah, but a narcissist. We’ll be right back.

[Jay]

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[MCG]

All right, so we have looked at the Old Testament prophecies. We look at Jesus himself claims that he’s the Messiah. Well, why don’t we look also at the apostles in the New Testament? if Jesus is the Messiah. And I guess we already showed that there are biblical proof of that. But I’ve started Acts chapter 2, verse 36, where Peter speaking, he said, therefore, let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God had made the same Jesus whom he crucified, both Lord and Christ. And of course, we already showed there again that Christ actually means Messiah, and Messiah means the anointed or the chosen one. The Greek word there would be, as I said, Christos. Also, Paul declared in first Corinthians one, and I’m going to go from 22 to 24. The Bible says, for the Jews required a sign and the Greeks seek after wisdom. But we preach Christ crucified unto the Jews are stumbling block and unto the Greeks foolishness. But unto them which are called both Jews and Greek, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. There again, you have Peter declaring him to be Christ, Paul declaring him to be Christ. I’m just choosing a few verses because this statement is so absurd that if you just read your Bible casually, you will see that the Bible declared Jesus as being Christ again, which is the Messiah.

[Jay]

Yeah, absolutely. We mentioned already that Thomas in John chapter 20 acknowledged him that he is who he says he is. In John chapter 20, verse 27, then saith he, which is Christ, then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger and behold my hands. Reach hither thy hand and thrust it into my side. Be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed. Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet believe. Paul, you mentioned Paul many times already, and he mentioned it again in Titus chapter 2, and in verse, I believe it’s 13. looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior, Jesus Christ, the Messiah, who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak and exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee. So Enjoy Behar stands up, and she has a platform that reaches millions of Americans every morning. And she says some nonsense that Jesus is not the Messiah, or that he didn’t claim to be the Messiah, or that he’s a narcissist. We ought to stand up and be full-throated in our rebuke against her, because that’s absolute nonsense and we shouldn’t stand for it. Now, granted in the context, Paul was talking to Timothy and talking about being a pastor or leader of a church, but I think that the principle can be applied there. When someone is speaking nonsense about the Word of God, it’s up to us as Christians who have the truth to speak up and contend for the God. gospel, contend for the truth. Peter certainly believed that Jesus was indeed the Messiah, the Son of God in John chapter 6 and in verse 68. And then we go back a few verses there because Jesus said unto the 12, will ye also go away? Because at that point it says in verse 66, many of his disciples went back and they walked no more with him. The reason why they didn’t walk anymore with him is that he said a lot of hard things in the previous verses and he asked them, you know, does this offend you? This was probably when he was telling them, if I remember straight, that his blood is drink indeed and his body is bread indeed. And they are asking, does this offend you? And then he continues in verse 62, he says, what and if ye shall see the Son of Man ascend up where he was before? It is the Spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing. These words I speak to you, they are spirit and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. And back to verse 67 or 68, I believe it was, when Jesus says, we also go away and Peter says to him, Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life, and we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. So the apostles that walked with him day in and day out, they certainly believed that he was Messiah. Deuteronomy chapter 18 and verse 18, this is, I believe, Moses speaking to the people. He said, I will raise them up, a prophet, from among their brethren like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words, which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. But the prophet which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. What words has Jesus spoken? that has not come to pass. What prophecy about the Lord that was given to us in the Old Testament that has not been fulfilled by Him? He absolutely is the Messiah. Not only do we know an affirm it, but the people that lived with Him, walked with Him for three days, saw Him living every day, day in and day out, they believed it as well. That’s more than enough proof for me.

[MCG]

Yeah, definitely. Do you think that the backlash you received was warranted?

[Jay]

Oh my goodness. Why isn’t there more backlash is what I’m saying. I mentioned before, when someone misrepresents what the scriptures say, and when they misrepresent the Lord, who he is, his work, the word of the living God, when they misrepresent it, or they treat it trivially, or they minimize it the way that she did on such a platform that she has, we absolutely need to publicly refute it, and we need to be vigorous about it, because there are millions of people people in a country like ours that is post-Christianity, more of an Acts 17 type culture, where people don’t know who the living God is anymore. They don’t know who Jesus is anymore. To most people, the name Jesus is a cuss word. Jesus is an epithet. They don’t know who the Savior is. They don’t know that there’s only one name under heaven by which they can be saved. And so for someone like her to stand up and to minimize it like they did in both clips and all of the so-called Christians on that platform that were he-he-ha, Kiki laughing with her. They need to be publicly refuted and they deserve all of the backlash that they get because this isn’t just some instance of you hurting my spiritual feelings or I don’t like the way you talk about my religion or whatever people might think that this is. This is a situation where if you believe what Joy Behar says or if you think nothing of what she says, your eternal soul could be hanging in the balance because that demonstrates that you don’t know who the Savior is. You don’t know by whose name you must call on for salvation. You don’t know all of the things that the scriptures say about him. You don’t know that you need him for salvation. And so when she refers to him… so flippantly, so dismissively, she’s positioning herself, as I mentioned before, as his judge and his critic, positioning herself above him, calling him a narcissist, saying that he didn’t do things that he clearly did in Scripture, trying to rewrite the narrative of what he even did when he walked on this earth, to stand up and declare that he never called himself Messiah, even though we have testimony after testimony written and maintained and preserved in God’s Word for thousands of years. if you’re talking about Old Testament and New Testament, for her to just say, oh, you know, that never happened. Says who? Says Joy Behar, the 83-year-old that just was born yesterday, compared to the living God of the universe. And so for her to position herself as his judge, not only trying to rewrite his story or rewrite what we know about him in scripture, but puffing herself up and making a declaration about his character that he’s a narcissist of some sort. We can’t stand for that. And the exact same thing that she was accusing Trump, this all comes from her hatred of Trump, by the way. It’s this whole Trump derangement thing that she’s got going on. But for her to stand and say, oh, that he’s a narcissist because he’s doing this, that, or the other, and she’s doing the exact same thing. positioning herself above Christ and condemning him as a narcissist because he claimed himself to be Messiah, I don’t think she realizes the danger that her soul is in. And she’s not a young spring chicken. Of course, death is for all of us. It’s for the baby all the way up to the elderly, but she’s 83 years old. Got 1 foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. She can’t afford to be ignorant about her spiritual condition right now. She needs to know the truth, and I don’t know if she’ll ever hear this podcast, but I hope that she hears it and that she will turn from her send to the Savior, because even now, with her blasphemous tongue and her flippant attitude toward him, Christ is willing to save.

[MCG]

Yeah, I think absolutely that because she has a history of saying things like these, that the backlash was definitely warranted. And as you alluded to earlier, you know, I’ve never heard them on The View. And full disclosure, I don’t listen to The View. So maybe they have, and it just didn’t went viral because I only know what they say in the view when something goes viral because I’m not sitting down daytime watching the view but I’ve just I’ve never heard them say anything negative concerning Islam but they will say things negative about Christianity and they’re like but I want to be careful though because I want to make sure that we attacking their claim we attacking the comments and not necessary person because the person enough of herself joy as you said She has a desperate need to know Jesus the Messiah personally. She has never come to that place where she trusts Christ as her savior, the only one who can save her soul from hell. And yeah, she’s 83 and I wish her many, many, many more years, how many more years the Lord see fit to give her because The Bible says it’s upon the man wants to die, but after this, the judgment. So all of us are going to face that fate someday. But I hope she has many, many more years. But I hope at least before it’s too late, before she passes on, that she will hear the gospel. Yeah, in turn. If she have never heard the gospel, I don’t know. You know, it’s hard to tell when you’re in that kind of world and kind of bubble that the likes of Joy Beha live in, if they truly hear the gospel, because they’re surrounded with the dirt of the gospel in terms of, you know, suddenly hosting claim all the time, oh, I’m Catholic and someone else, oh, I’m A Christian, but to them, it’s just a religion. It’s just something that they, this is my identity and I do this and I do this and whatever the case may be and there’s nothing biblical about it. So that’s my prayer. It’s not necessary to attack the person personally, but to attack the claim and to show clearly from scripture where the person claim might be wrong.

[Jay]

You’re right. And I really wanted to go toward her claim with a lot of vigor. Why do you think her claim is significant in any approach? Like, why does it matter what Joy Behar thinks about the Savior?

[MCG]

Well, I guess it goes down to this. If Jesus is not Messiah, as we alluded to earlier, then he’s not Savior.

[Jay]

That’s right.

[MCG]

If he’s not the chosen one, then we are yet in our sins. If he’s not the anointed one, then we have a book that that we cannot trust, and that is the Bible. And if you believe as I do, the Bible is infallible, it is the unadulterated word of God, then if we can’t trust that, which is the reason why we believe Jesus is the Messiah, because the Bible tells us so, which is the reason why we believe Jesus is savior, because the Bible tells us so. If he has sin of his own, then he’s not any of these things. So this is super significant because if he’s not, then there’s no such thing as biblical Christianity. The Bible teaches us in Luke that the Savior born on that day was Christ the Lord. Amen. In Matthew 1, verse 21, the Bible said that she shall bring forth a son, and thou shall call his name Jesus, for he shall save his people from their sins. His very purpose, why he came, the Bible declare in Luke 19, verse 10, For the Son of man is to come to seek and to save that which was lost. How many of us were lost? That is all of us. So Jesus came just to seek and to save all of us again. But if he’s not savior, if he’s not Messiah, if he’s not the anointed one, if he’s not the Christ, then he can’t come and seek and to save that which was lost because he’s lost himself. It will be the blind leading the blind. All the declarations in the Bible, this is a savior. But on this day, the savior, which is Christ the Lord. None of that is true. So the Bible say he come to seek and to save that which was lost as his thesis as his purpose his overarching purpose and how many of us were lost all of us Romans 3 verse 9 to 12 the Bible says what then are we better than they no in no wise for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles that they are all under sin as it is written there is none righteous no not one there’s none that understand it there’s none that seek it after God they are all gone out of the way they all together become profitable. There is none that doeth good, no, not one. The Bible also declared in Romans 5 verse 8, but God commended his love towards us, and that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. So when we go back to Romans 3 verse 9 to 12, the Bible says, there’s none righteous, we all have sinned, I’ll come short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23. we can’t do anything to appease a holy God because of our sin the Bible says it now in Romans 5 verse 8 but God commended his love towards us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us the Messiah died for us 1 John 4 verse 9 and 10 in this was manifest the love of God towards us because God sent his only begotten son into the world that we might live through him hearing his love not that we love God but but that he loved us and sent his son to be the propitiation for our sin. God loves us so much that he sent his only begotten son to die on the cross for our sins. It is then repentant faith in Jesus the Messiah and Jesus alone that can save your lost soul. It is not by works. Ephesians two verse eight and nine said, for by grace are he saved through faith and not of thyself. It is a gift of God, not of works. lest any man should boast and of course Romans 10 verse 9 to 13 the Bible says if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart that God has raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation for the scripture has said whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed for there’s no difference between the Jew and the Greek for the same Lord overall is rich unto all that call upon him. And verse 13, for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Again, my prayer for Joy Beha is that one day she will come to know the love of God through accepting Jesus the Messiah, sacrificial death on the cross in repentant faith.

[Jay]

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[MCG]

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