Episode 244

When Karmelo Anthony and Austin Metcalf’s altercation ended in murder at a track meet in Texas in 2025, it seemed to be a forgone conclusion that it would attract national attention because of the difference in skin color and the fact that these boys were of high school age. What we got in addition, however, was even more concerning. While grappling with the reality of increasing rage and degeneracy in our youth, we had to wrestle with the fact that the ideological echo chambers of yesteryear had morphed into rabid angry support groups for the intersectional victim no matter what heinous crime they had committed. Karmelo Anthony was the innocent black angel who was just defending himself against an angry white giant and to suggest otherwise meant you were an evil racist worthy of the same fate as his victim. On this episode of the Removing Barriers podcast, we discuss the tragic events and the subsequent trial, but we also discuss the growing radicalization of ideological groups online that have warped our moral compass as a people because social media has put their views on display for all of us to engage with. Should we engage, and how should we do so as Bible believing Christians? Join us as we discuss these questions and more.

[Karmelo Anthony]

He put his hands on me. I told him nothing. He put his hands on me.

[Jay]

That’s Karmelo Anthony crying there.

[MCG]

Right, so he put his hands on me. And translation, he disrespected me.

[Jay]

He disrespected me.

[MCG]

And I got angry because of that and I stabbed him.

[Jay]

Thank you for tuning in to the Removing Barriers podcast. I’m Jay and I’m MCG. And we’re attempting to remove barriers so we can all have a clear view of the cross.

[MCG]

This is episode 244 of the Removing Barriers podcast. And in this episode, we will be finally discussing the Karmelo Anthony killing of Austin Metcalf and the social, political, and cultural aspect of the happenings.

[Jay]

Hi, this is Jay. MCG and I would like for you to help us remove barriers by going to removingbarriers.net and subscribing to receive all things removing barriers. If you’d like to take your efforts a bit further and help us keep the mics on, consider donating at removingbarriers.net slash donate. Removing barriers, a clear view of the cross.

[MCG]

Now, Jay, let’s start with the overview of the happenings back in April 2nd of 2025.

[Jay]

Just a quick overview. On April 2nd, 2025, Karmelo Anthony murdered Austin Metcalf at Memorial High School in Frisco, Texas. Metcalf, who was 17, and Anthony, who was also 17, had an altercation after Anthony refused to leave the team’s tent as requested. Anthony warned Metcalf, touch me and see what happens, and he stabbed Metcalf in the chest after Metcalf shoved him. The attack pierced Metcalf’s heart, and it was fatal. Anthony ran away and was later arrested by authorities as he claimed self-defense. The case was highly publicized and politically charged because of the difference in skin tone between the two boys, but also because of the mind-boggling response from the public in the echo chambers of the internet. Karmelo Anthony was found guilty in June of 2026 and sentenced to 35 years in prison. His appeal for a new trial was denied in August of 2026. After the fact, many dossiers about the boy’s individual characters have been released in order to try and paint the other as violent or racist or perhaps to lay the groundwork for a change in the sentencing, all of which are meant to just cast the other in a poor light and stoke even more anger and resentment by the media powers that be both in legacy media and online in order to further whatever agenda they have.

[MCG]

Yeah, I think we also need to add that Seemingly he went on to the memorial tent to shelter from the rain. It was.

[Jay]

A rainy day.

[MCG]

Seemed to me lightly gizzling and he probably went on the day to shelter from the tent. Or some people report that he may have had a friend or two on the day as well.

[Jay]

There were reports that there was a friend who called Karmelo Anthony over and there was a friendly conversation before Metcalf and a few others demanded that he go away. eventually leading to the altercation in which Metcalf shoved him.

[MCG]

Right. And also a number of high school were gathering because it was a trap meet. And of course, I think the only tent that was set up was the memorial high school tent. Of course, as I said before, it was raining and it seems like either Camalanti went on the there to shelter or if you go upon what came out in court, it seemed like it was more likely because it was he had a friend or two over there. But let’s jump in it because I have some clips I want to play that will get deeper into it and we’ll get deep into it that way. But I also want to talk about what is it about, you will say, the black cultural stereotype that would lead to a young man to resolve to stab him because someone may have shoved him.

[Jay]

YouTuber Hotep Jesus and YouTuber Viva Frey or Viva Frey had that same discussion and the argument was that there’s a stereotype or a reality in Black culture that there’s absolutely no tolerance for disrespect. At the moment that you perceive to be disrespected, all bets are off. The altercation will become physical, maybe even lethal, and you absolutely have to regain your honor. You have to one-up the person that disrespected you, either by beating them up or by killing them. There’s a street culture that demands that you do that because if you allow disrespect to go unanswered, then you’re the lowest of the low. You’re someone that no one will take seriously. You’re a doormat and you’re a nobody. And so there are other words that they use to describe it, which are not appropriate for this podcast, but that is an element of street culture that is pervasive in black culture. There’s also not necessarily a stereotype, but a reality that affects young men in general, not just black men, is the anger and the rage and the nihilism and the discontent that men are feeling in our nation, particularly young men, and that also perhaps has an element to play in this incident. We mentioned how in the aftermath of the trial, the dossiers that were released reveal very, very angry boys on both sides. There’s a lot of blaming, there’s a lot of anger toward other groups of people, a lot of use of slurs on both sides. And so there’s the element of men being, or young men and boys being very angry. and even enraged. And it could be because of the effect of social media, the echo chambers that we can find ourselves in social media, so-called red pill content and things of that nature that has simply worked to enrage young men.

[MCG]

Yeah, I’m going to speak to that, but I have a video here that show when Kamala Anthony was being arrested on the day, I think it was a few minutes after it happened, and they called police, called for an ambulance, and the police came and they pointed out Kamala Anthony, and the police was approaching Kamala Anthony to put him in cuffs and stuff like that. And I just want to play a short clip of that and what Kamala said, because I think it speaks pretty well to what you just said.

[Police Officer & Karmelo]

Hold on.

And I’m just protecting myself. If somebody is treating the victim, they need to be over there.

[MCG]

So the first thing he said, I was protecting myself. That was the first utterance I heard from Kamala Anthony. We’re going to have to listen closely because, of course, this is a body cam video, so the officer voice is pretty loud, and Kamala Anthony is still a few feet away from him at this point as he’s walking up to him.

[Police Officer & Karmelo]

The memorial pence.

Don’t reach for anything, all right, man? Stop right there for me. Dispatch 443 I got the six legs. And they’re currently treating the victim again. He’s down in the north end of the stadium. Alright, any weapons on you like that?

[Police Officer & Karmelo]

I’ll be around.

Help me. I have y’all back up a little bit. Come over here for me. For now, OK?

[MCG]

So at this point, the cuffs are going on.

[Police Officer & Karmelo]

Dispatch 443. Everybody can slow down. I got the alleged suspect in handcuffs right now detained.

Everyone else can slow down. One second.

You can open up the channel, and medics are clear to come in. Have them come to the northeast entrance. That’s going to be a gate that’s wide open there, and then you come to the victim from there. Here’s the alleged suspect. All

right. I am. All right, bye.

Okay.

What’s your name?

So nothing on your person at all? Nothing.

[Jay]

If you happen to miss it, the police officer said, We have the alleged suspect here. And Karmelo Anthony can be heard saying, I know how this goes. I’m not alleged. I did it.

[MCG]

Right. That was pretty faint.

[Police Officer & Karmelo]

Mind if I reach in your pockets and stuff and all that? Stamina? No, sir. I’m gonna be out with the other.

Breaking.

A little person over there, okay, just to make sure. Victim’s gonna be underneath that tent over there, so I’ll get medics.

Thank you for the analyzing.

Memorial tent over there, guys. All right.

[Karmelo Anthony]

He put his hands on me. I told him nothing. He put his hands on me.

[Jay]

That’s Karmelo Anthony crying there.

[MCG]

Right. So he put his hands on me. And translation, he disrespected me.

[Jay]

He disrespected me.

[MCG]

And I got angry because of that and I stabbed him. That’s my interpretation of that. So note, he didn’t say that I was in fear for my life. And of course, I understand he’s 17 years old and he may not have any training in self-defense and maybe having adopted the lingo of what to say when police officers approach you. When you do something, most lawyers will say, hey, I was acting in self-defense and hush him out. But his way of maybe saying that is going back to the black culture thing of saying, hey, he put his hands on me. In translation, he disrespected me and I retaliated. He didn’t say he was in fear for his life. He didn’t say the gang up on him. He didn’t say that You know, he was afraid of being pushed and falling down the stairs. He put his hands on me. There’s something that I guess I would say enjoy doing is watching police interactions with the citizens. There’s a lot of YouTube videos out there with police cameras and body cams and police interaction. And I always noticed that when police are interacting with the black community, African-Americans in particular, that they will get extremely angry at the point when the police officers start putting their hands on them to put a cuff on them or to lead them to their car. And they will be, don’t touch me, don’t touch me, don’t touch me. There’s something with the black culture that if you touch them, that it becomes a problem. And I think because Austin Metcalf may have pushed Kamala Anthony, which Austin Metcalf was wrong for that, that he figured, hey, I’m going to retaliate. But even before that, he did say, he said, touch me, see what happened. Touch me, see what happened. And he already had his hand in his bag. So he already knew he had that knife in there and was ready and prepared to use it. So I think going back to the black culture stereotype thing here, I think that is one of the big problem here because we live in a civilized society. And I understand in the US, touching is taboo for most part, but touching doesn’t arise to lethal or deadly force that you have to retaliate with deadly force. You know, a shove is not a deadly force. You can argue if you’re 85, maybe. You shove an 85-year-old, they can fall and hit the head easily and die. But to something-year-old, you’ll be hard to make an argument that that person from a shove would be in danger of losing their life. And the fact that Kalamandan was shoved and still was able to come around and stab this guy, he can make the argument that he could have been shoved that hard to be in fear of his life.

[Jay]

I want to push back on the idea. Again, as I mentioned, both Hotep Jesus and Viva Fry were having this conversation, and the argument was about how there’s a thing in black culture where there’s a complete intolerance of disrespect. I don’t think it’s merely a black culture thing. I think that you will find that code of ethics within any realm of underhanded or uncivilized or illegal, any type of life that has any type of illegal dealings, you’re going to find that same attitude. It doesn’t matter if it’s prison culture, gang culture, street culture, mafia, drug dealing, you’re going to find that in every single, let’s say, illegal culture, this idea of an intolerance of disrespect. So I don’t think that black people have a corner on this. Perhaps black, okay, let me backtrack. Perhaps black people only have a corner on this because blacks are the only culture in America that take street and prison culture and enshrine it and glorify it in their music, in the rap and the hip hop and the trap type music. And so perhaps. because the poison is in the water, you know, don’t drink the Kool-Aid. The Kool-Aid is already flowing in the black culture because they consume that music. And so now it’s become a part of Maine culture. Perhaps that’s what people are pointing at simply because it’s more prevalent in black culture, but I don’t think it’s specifically or just merely a black culture thing. I think it has to do with any type of culture that is not above board. So any type of, as I mentioned, any type of culture in which the dealings are shady, you’re going to have the same intolerance or disrespect?

[MCG]

Well, I want to be careful not to paint with too much of a broad brush. I do understand what you’re saying. That’s why I cushioned the question as black cultural stereotype, because it is a stereotype. Every black person is not offended or disrespected because someone may have, you know, quote unquote, put their hand on them. You also have to keep in mind the comment auntie was 17. And at 17, he may not have been mature enough or in control of his emotion enough or in control of his anger enough to realize, hey, this action does not run with this action taken this far because he did ask the police at the car when he was sitting in the car, the police was getting his information. Is he going to be okay? Meaning is Austin going to be okay? And the police say, I don’t know, man. And you could see paramedics walking past the police going to Austin. And most likely at that point, Austin was already dead. So you can even go to intent. And of course, we’re going to talk about this a little bit more. Can even go to intent. Did he intend to kill him? My argument would be no. I don’t think his intention was necessarily to kill Austin. It was basically to severely enough hurt him that he realized, hey, you don’t put your hands on me. from the warning that he gave, touch me and see what happened, to I’m going to retaliate. Of course, Carmilla was the only one who knew that he had a knife in his bag and he had his hand on it. And of course, you can make the argument that because Austin was a twin and his twin brother was there, and maybe most of the people, they were Austin friends and not Carmilla friends, you can make an argument, hey, were they ganging upon him? I don’t see that evidence came out in court that they were ganging upon him. And we’re going to see later that Austin Metcalf, most seemingly had a temper as well. So you’re talking about probably 2 hot-headed 17-year-olds with testosterone running through their veins and they’re saying, hey, you’re not going to one-up me. The reason why I’m going to this question is because why goes to the black culture stereotype is because I think if Kamalandi wasn’t raised in that culture or were a part of that culture, because not because you’re black, you have to be a part of the culture, the stereotype, not sure. If he wasn’t raised in that culture, maybe he could have said, you know what, I’m not wanted here. Let me move on. But he figured, hey, I’m going to. defend my pride, defend my honor, and this guy is not going to tell me to move. To me, this is not even about race. I think a lot of time, because of course Kamala is black, Austin Metcalf is white, it immediately became about race. I don’t even think it’s about race. I think it’s about culture and norms. And you can say, well, if you’re going to talk about culture, race is going to play a part in there. To some degree, yes. But I think it’s more about culture, about teenage temper rather than the fact that one was white, one was black. But of course, in the US, one was white, one was black cells. So they’re going to sell it.

[Jay]

I get that. I just want people to understand that might be listening to this podcast. What we say over the internet for everyone to hear, it goes a long way. And as we will discuss later on in this episode, people took this particular incident and weaponized it in order to fuel the embers of the race war that is apparently raging in people’s minds right now. But the culture of violence in response to a perceived insult or to perceived disrespect, that’s not something new. That’s not something unique to Black culture. The reason I feel like I have to say that is because there’s a counterculture that I see happening online where certain white people, they’re being radicalized to move toward an us versus them mentality. They feel as though they might be under threat and that the institutions in the United States have been inverted and hijacked to always have the minority side. So for example, you’ll always have the system supporting minorities or criminals as opposed to law abiding citizens or people who are not minorities. And so I see that polarization happening online and that’s a dangerous thing. Again, We can go back in our history as Americans where dueling was a part of everyday life at a perceived insult. You would simply challenge someone to a duel and the men would meet at an agreed location and literally draw weapons to see who could shoot who first. Very famous people have been, I’m pretty sure if I remember right off the top of my head, that’s one of the ways that Alexander Hamilton was killed. This perceived insult and I challenge you to a duel. This is not something that’s particularly or uniquely black. It is something that has a human element at the bottom of it. But I do agree that for some…

[MCG]

It does have a male element to it.

[Jay]

A male element for sure. Because women.

[MCG]

Well, women do the only the thing, but…

[Jay]

Well, this is what I’m talking about. The distinction is important because in the black culture, the Kool-Aid has already been poisoned to where through the hip-hop culture, through the music, and through that type of street gang hip-hop, all of that culture, it has become a In many instances, whoever is drinking the Kool-Aid, it has become mainstream culture for them. I’m thinking of Makia Bryant in 2016, who was shot by police because she went after someone with a knife, and that set off a bunch of BLM riots in and of itself. But she had a knife, and there were people making the excuse of, oh, you know, that’s how black people do it. You know, you threaten someone with a knife, that doesn’t mean you’re actually going to kill them. It’s just what we do. So that’s an example of how, for some reason, and I think it’s through the vector of music, of media, in the black culture, it has spilled over into the mainstream.

[MCG]

Yeah, but Makai Bryan was shot by police.

[Jay]

She was shot by police, right.

[MCG]

In mid-rage to stab someone else.

[Jay]

Yes, what I’m saying is the excuses that they made for her, that many black people were making for her, oh, why did the police have to shoot her? Well, she was wielding a knife. Well, black people do that all the time. That’s a black culture thing. So even in the eyes of black people, that’s what they were saying. That’s what they were saying.

[MCG]

But I don’t know if that’s black culture. But anyways, if you want to find out commentary on Makai Bryan, It’s like episode 60 something. I don’t remember exact number, but it’s way back. Anyways, I have a video from ABL. I think his name is Anthony Bryan Logan.

[Jay]

He’s a YouTuber.

[MCG]

YouTuber. And I think he had a very awful take on this commonly antique. So I want to kind of analyze it. And then after that, we’re going to go into a Megan Kelly clip, which she talk about the aftermath of the trial as well. So just compare both of them. But we will start with Anthony Bryan Logan.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

How’s everybody doing? My name is Anthony Bryan Logan and today we got to talk about Karmelo Anthony being found guilt.

[MCG]

All right, so just for most part. I forgot how much I dislike this guy. For most part, I didn’t do any cuts. I cut out part of the intro, part of the outro, and I think they may have a little bit part in the middle. Might have been an ad read or something that I take out. But for most part, it’s unedited.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

Of murder in the 2025 stabbing death of Austin Metcalf at a Texas track meet. And he’s been sentenced to 35 years in the penitentiary. Now, this, in my humble opinion, is a gross miscarriage of justice. This is ridiculous. There have been other cases like this similar to this in that same ballpark that did not get anywhere near this amount of years. And in many cases, the case was beat completely. There was no jail time at all. But before I get to that, let’s back up a little bit here to recap. How did we get here today? April, 2025, there’s a track meet in Texas. Collin County to the north and east of Dallas. Austin Metcalf and his twin brother are there. Friends are there. Kamala Anthony is there. Kamala Anthony goes to the other high school’s tent because apparently that was the only one that was up. because it was raining number one and number two he sees a friend he’s talking to their friend and also seeking shelter from the rain there’s no problem he’s in the tent it’s all good here comes Austin Metcalf his twin brother Hunter and other people.

[MCG]

So now he’s reading into it I’m not saying that may not be true but He’s in a common court that they surrounded him or ganged upon him or anything. He’s just reading into it. So just keep that in mind as you listen to him with a grain of salt.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

He’s confronted by at least one of the people. He’s asked 15 times or so to get up and leave.

[MCG]

Again, exaggerating there, but he shall continue.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

Carmella refuses. Now, I think here is when there is some cultural disconnect that is happening. Camelo apparently reaches into his bag and says touch me and see what happens some see that as a provocation like he was daring him to put his hands on them that’s not what I got from that what I got from that is I’m warning you to not touch me but of course what does he do he pushes him shoves him touches him.

[MCG]

No it doesn’t really matter what he was a warning or a provocation well I guess except in court when it comes to putting up defense. But Karmelo Anthony is the only one who knew he had a knife in the back. So if you know you have a knife in your back and you tell someone, touch me, see what happened, I don’t see why you can’t be both. You can warn someone while provoking them. You know, and we’re looking at the legal definitions, not necessarily the colloquial definitions.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

Gives him another warning. He does it again. He hits him one time with a 3 1/2 inch.

[MCG]

Again, there’s no evidence that Austin pushed him twice. As far as I know, he pushed him one time, but even if he was twice, he doesn’t change.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

Pocket knife, that’s what it was. Oh, he had a big dagger, he had a sword. It was a three and a half inch pocket knife. Hits him one time.

[MCG]

It doesn’t matter, it’s a deadly weapon. Whether it was a gun, pocket knife, a scissors, a screwdriver, he had a deadly weapon.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

And unfortunately, he dies. May he rest Santee’s prayers out to the family. Now, if you ask me, that’s self-defense. I’m telling you, don’t touch me. You and your friends are surrounding me. I’m in fear that I’m gonna be seriously injured or I might die. So I’m telling you, don’t do it. You’re doing it anyway. I tell you again, you’re doing it anyway. You get hit one time and you die. That’s not murder. That’s not 35 years in prison, that’s self-defense, in my humble opinion. But the jury thought differently and they said, okay, you’re guilty 35 years. And by the way, I’ve never seen a court case wrap up so quickly. I mean, they had, they started, what, just a few days ago, right? They started a few days ago, they found him guilty, and then a couple hours later, they sentenced him. Usually in these kind of cases, there’s a longer period of time for the trial and then the sentencing happens later.

[MCG]

That’s not even true. A lot of cases are wrapped up within a day or two, especially when the evidence are clear and stuff like that, wrapped up in a day or two and sentencing.

[Jay]

Unless you’re Lindsay Clancy.

[MCG]

Not unless you’re Lindsay Clancy, but I would give him this. Right. A lot of nationally interested trials are not wrapped up this quickly. You know, usually when the entire country is tuning into these trials, these trials are gone for a week or two, like for instance, Derek Chauvin, you know, I think that was like a two or three-week trial. And you mentioned Lindsay Clancy was like almost six weeks and stuff like that. Usually these trials go on long because there’s a lot of evidence, there’s a lot of things to provide. But based on the fact that we know that, and we’re going to talk about this a little bit later when we understandize the megyn kelly video, is that the persecution and the defense had a gentleman’s deal that they’re not going to bring in certain evidence into the trial. And with those evidence eliminated on both parts, it becomes a pretty quick trial because they say, hey, we’re going to focus in on what happened that day. Well, to get to what happened that day wouldn’t take weeks. Why does a trial need to take weeks? If they’re saying, hey, we’re not gonna bring in this, we’re not gonna bring in this, what they say they’re not gonna bring in is character evidence. They’re not gonna show Carmela Anthony past, they’re not gonna show Austin Metcalf past. They’re just gonna say, hey, this is what happened this time. This is what happened here.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

And by the way, speaking about the trial, the defense attorney here was completely worthless. There’s rumors talking about the family blew all their money from the online fundraising. on gifts and trinkets and had to get a public defender. Now I’ve not seen that verify anywhere. It’s just a rumor. I don’t know who this man is. If he’s a top attorney in the area, a public defender, I don’t know what’s going on because I don’t see any, you know, real sources that say it one way or the other. I asked people where they see that. They said social media. It’s like, okay, exactly. Where’s a real source? So I don’t know. But either way it goes, the defense attorney was terrible. They didn’t really bring any witnesses, no experts, no nothing. It was almost like the defense attorney, the state’s attorney, the judge, and the dad were all in cahoots because-?

[MCG]

Well, I wouldn’t say they’re in cahoots, but I do agree with him on this one point. I also thought that the defense was a bit weak. I didn’t feel like they fought for Kamala Anthony as the way he should. I think they were kind of resting on their laurels, kind of, well, I guess they didn’t have any laurels to rest on, but they were kind of maybe resting on societal support that they had somewhat maybe to let him off. I don’t know if that’s the case or they just didn’t feel like the prosecution had enough evidence to convict Kamala Anthony or whatever case maybe or they were confident in their ability to at least raise reasonable doubt. But I also thought that they were a little bit weak in their stuff. They’re the one who chose the lawyer. That doesn’t mean he didn’t get a fair trial. And that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have been convicted. It just means that his lawyer could have been better. That’s all that means.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

From the beginning, they did not see a real defense here. Maybe in their mind, it was a clear cut case from the beginning. You can’t do what he did. There’s no defense. So we’re gonna go ahead and just hang him high, hang him high 12 noon, throw him away and then have that be that, which is ridiculous. It’s totally ridiculous. There have been other cases in Texas like this, where this not the result. Let’s go back to.

[MCG]

So now he’s going to go through a bunch of cases. Keep in mind when you’re comparing cases, the evidence is different, the circumstances are different, the state is different, which is very important because the way Texas does things is a little bit different than what a lot of other states do things. So, and even though he’s going to bring up some cases that are in Texas, the evidence are not the same.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

Benton High School, three and a half hours, or three hours south of Dallas, in Texas still. We’re not in Louisiana. We’re not in Arkansas. We’re not in Oklahoma. We’re not in New Mexico. We’re still in Texas.

[MCG]

If you’re going south, you’re not going to hit Louisiana. You’re not going to eat Arkansas. They’re not south of Texas. If you go south in Texas, you’re going to hit the Gulf or you’re going to hit Mexico.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

Three hours south of Texas, I Out of high school, 2022, there’s a fight. You have one student, another student, and the other student’s friends. One student’s white, one student Hispanic. The white kid stabs the Hispanic kid in the bathroom during the fight. He is not found guilty of murder. He’s found guilty of criminally negligent homicide. So he had a knife and there was a fight and it’s self-defense. Why did he not get murder? Where’s the 35 years in the penitentiary? Where’s the swift sentencing? Where’s the, okay, you go to court on Thursday and on Tuesday, you’re thrown away. Where’s that at for this case? Now, I’m not the one to cry racism. That’s just not what I do. I defended Cal Rittenhouse when he did what he did.

[MCG]

No, Carl Vitton House has no comparison to Carmela Anthony. The only comparison is that Carmela Anthony claimed self-defense and Carl Vitton House claimed self-defense. That’s the only remote comparison. There’s nothing else here.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

You going across state lines, you got a gun and you shooting people. I defended them because you’re defending others and the people who we shot were attacking him. So I defended him. And Kyle Rittenhouse, you have to be ashamed of yourself, going on TV, trying to talk crazy about Karmelo Anthony. You are in the same boat as him. What’s the difference? Your race, your location, what’s the difference? I don’t see the difference. You’re a defender, you’re defending yourself the same way he was defending himself.

[MCG]

By the way, we did an episode on Calvin’s house and this is way back as well. I don’t remember maybe in the 80s or 90s, episode number 80s or 90s or something around there. But there’s no comparison. I don’t know what his point here, to be honest.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

Some say you shouldn’t have had that gun, which was not yours and you were underage, just like some say you shouldn’t have had that knife. But in the case of in Benton, Texas, Benton High School, Texas, You got a knife involved, but there was no 35 years. There was a murder conviction.

[MCG]

Whether he had a knife or a gun or whatever the case may be does not affect self-defense. That’s a different charge. So Carmel Antony should not have their knife at the school track meet. If Carmel Antony could have successfully argued and defended self-defense, having the knife does not nullify his self-defense. They would have to charge him for having a deadly weapon under school compound. That’s a separate charge, it would have been. So he’s conflicting a lot of things here. If he truly was able to defend himself, it doesn’t matter what tool he used to defend himself. They would have simply charged him a separate charge for illegally having a knife, but he would have walked on the charge of murder.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

I defended Daniel Penny, and Daniel Penny, of course, he’s white.

[MCG]

Again, we did an episode of Daniel Penny and Jordan Neely as well. I think this is in the hundreds. No comparison again with.

[Jay]

The only comparison is that, you know, the defendant is white while the victim is black. That’s the only I think that’s I.

[MCG]

Think the only comparison is that they were able to successfully claim self-defense on one. That’s the only thing is it’s ridiculous because self-defense is a part of our criminal justice. You have a right to defend yourself, but you can’t just murder someone and say, hey, self-defense. You know.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

And the victim, Jordan Neely, was black. Why did I defend Daniel Penny? Because he was defending people on the train, black, white, Puerto Rican, the candy stripe, from this violent person who was threatening to engage in violence, who was threatening to do things that would ruin the safety, ruin the security of those on the train. Although we didn’t actually hit anybody and there was no weapon, as far as I know, I still defended Daniel Penny. Zimmerman, George Zimmerman. Let’s talk about that. Remember Trayvon Martin? Now, in this case that started at all.

[MCG]

Again, no comparison, except George Zimmerman was able to claim self-defense. No comparison.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

It was really Zimmerman’s fault, but he was able to beat the case because he said he’s getting beat up too much. He’s getting pounded into the pavement. There’s no weapon. There’s no knife, no gun, no nothing on Trayvon, just fists. But just I’m getting beat up too much. I’m at risk. I fear for my life. I fear for my safety. I fear that I might be seriously injured. I could pull my gun and shoot him and then he beat the case. So if we’re going to say that’s okay, if we’re going to say Daniel Penny’s okay, if we’re going to say Kyle Rittenhouse is okay, if we’re going to say that GK Rich Chow out there in South Carolina is okay. And by the way, I defended all these people because why? Self-defense. I am a staunch proponent of self-defense. I don’t care what color the person is, who is defending themselves, nor do I care what the color is of who they’re defending themselves against. It doesn’t matter. My standards don’t change based on the color of the person, the age of the person, the sex of the person, religion of the person, location of the person. I don’t really care. don’t like bullies I don’t like those who harass people who attack people who assault people I don’t think you get to claim that you are a victim when you go out there and you victimize others if.

[MCG]

If you want to be fair both of them were bullies but anyways I shall let me continue you.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

To get up somebody’s face and try to threaten them and push him and touch him and punch him and shoot him no you don’t get to have right and self-defense this is why Chuck the Builder is going to prison here in Tennessee because unlike other states I don’t know about what Texas got going on he got a little bit of Jim Crow going on in Texas still y’all y’all y’all free y’all okay in Texas I don’t know what happened I thought he.

[MCG]

Said he wasn’t going to pull the wrist card he did anyways go ahead ABL.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

Juneteenth happened in Galveston, Texas. Did they get the message in other parts of Texas? I don’t know, but I digress. My point is that in Tennessee, we have laws that prevent against things like this, and I would hope they’d be using.

[MCG]

I think you need to research a little bit because there are five elements of self-defense, and this is true in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. in this country, in the United States. There are five elements. I’m going to finish and I’m going to get into those five elements. But what he’s saying is not true. Of course, state laws differ in terms of, of course, you can go to Florida and I think even Texas or even Tennessee, they have stand your ground. And in Maryland or maybe New Jersey, you have to retreat first or whatever the case may be. But when you claim self-defense, there are five things that has to be true for you to successfully claim self-defense. I’m going to get into them because this is where it is most egregious for this guy and his take here. But I’m going to let him finish first.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

In court, the way they are being used right now with Chuck the Builder, if you are the initial aggressor, you lose your right of self-defense in Tennessee.

[MCG]

That is only one. That is only one of the elements.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

So you can’t be the builder. Oh, they’re chimping out, they’re chimping out, going and harassing people, getting in their face, getting in their way, trying to antagonize and provoke. You can’t do that and then claim self-defense. Now again, some of y’all are gonna think that saying, touch me and see what happens is a provocation. That’s not a provocation. That is a response to your threat. You’re in my face, you’re telling me to move, you’re telling me to get up, which by the way, you have no authority to do. if you want me to move if you want me to get up you need to go get an authority figure I’m doing this saying touch me see what happens as a warning to not touch me because I’m going to fight back that’s what that means now as I close I’m going to just leave you with this let’s say.

[MCG]

You’re getting on the airplane you’re this is the most awful awful example I’ve ever heard.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

We’re sitting at 11b as you get on the airplane you see that there’s somebody in your seat, what are you gonna do? You’re gonna go to them and ask politely, hey, let them be? I think I’m on let them be. Nine times out of 10, what are they gonna do? Oh, I’m so sorry, I didn’t know any. If they don’t do that and they look kind of confused or whatever, what you gonna do? You gonna plot your phone, you’re gonna show them a ticket right there on your phone. Now, if that doesn’t work, what do you do? Do you put your hands on them, grab them? Do you ask them 15 times to get up and they don’t get up? You punch them in the face? Is that what you do? Or do you go get a flight attendant? You’re gonna go get a flight attendant. None of y’all are gonna put your hands on that person sitting in your paid seat. You’re not gonna do it. Why? Because you’re gonna be at fault. You are the aggressor. You are the one who’s gonna get kicked off the flight, get put on a no-fly list, and you go into the penitentiary because you committed a federal crime, assault and battery on an aircraft. That’s a federal defense.

[MCG]

All right, so let’s say, use your silly example. Let’s say that you go 11B, you show the person 11B, they refuse to move, and let’s say you put your hand on the person to move them yourself. You’re wrong. I give you that. You’re wrong to do that. But let’s say the person retaliate now with deadly force. Is that self-defense? Because that’s what happened here. Austin was wrong to push Karmelo first. So the person would have been wrong to have tried to physically move that person from their seat. Now, do that person have the right now to respond to you with deadly force? That is the question here. The question here is not whether he should have gone to get the flight attendant or should have gone and got a coach. Yeah, I would agree. Austin should have gone and gotten a coach, but the same thing is true with KarmeloA nthony. If he feels threatened, he should have gone and got a coach too. So this thing is just so crazy. He’s like, oh, you need to go get a flight attendant. Both of them should have gone and get the flight attendant. There’s something in, and again, I’m going to talk about it when he’s done, but proportionality, that’s the issue here, is proportionality. You cannot respond with the defaults. with a simple shove.

[Jay]

That’s the argument between Viva Fry and Hotep. Hotep was saying exactly what ABL is saying here, that Austin Metcalf should have gone to get a teacher, coach, counselor, whatever. He should not have shoved KarmeloAnthony and that KarmeloAnthony was acting in self-defense. And Viva Fry told him, I don’t think you want to live in a world where you, as a Black person, you have the reputation of being lethal or violent. just because someone shoved you. And of course, Hotep being who he is, he said, oh, yes, I do. I want everyone to keep their hands to themselves, and I don’t want anyone shoving anyone else. But if we remember in 2018, Marquis McLaughton was shot and killed by Michael Draka. I think it’s pronounced Draka. Yeah, it’s Draka. in response to a shove. And Draco was found guilty and sentenced to, I don’t think, I think I remember it was 20 or 25 years in prison. So in the civilized world, you cannot respond to someone that has shoved you. Now, if the person has shoved you and you’ve fallen back and then they’re continually like advancing toward you, they’re continuing in the assault, that might be a different story. You might be able to make the case for self-defense there. But in this instance, it was a simple shove as in hey, get out of our tent. And very much the same way for Marquis McLaughton, it was a, hey, shove, get away from my car, get away from my wife and kids. It wasn’t an attack in the sense of, hey, I’m going to hurt you now. It was just a shove, and then that was it. So yeah, ABL, I think, has an awful take here.

[MCG]

You’re right to some degree on Michael Jaker. I think the history with Michael Jaker is not so much the shove from Marquis, because of course, I saw the video and I watched part of the case on that. Marquis did push him pretty hard.

[Jay]

Yeah. Shoved him onto his toes. She did. Shoved him down.

[MCG]

Right. And fell back. The problem with Jacob is that he shot too late because by the time that he pulled the gun and pointed the gun, Marquis had changed his behavior, had start stepping back. And you can see visible on his face that he said, Oh, and give up in the fight. And Jacob shot him anyway. That is what drum up Jacob because after Mark, he’s pushing Mark, he was still towering over him. And then once the gun come out, he stepped back and Jacob’s shot anyway. And this happened in Florida where you have stand your ground. That’s why Jacob wasn’t arrested for a month or two and then finally was charged and convicted. So it’s not even still the same element here, but it is the same thing, proportionality. I’m going to let him finish and I’m going to get into it.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

But once you go to the bleachers, all of a sudden, all of that whole thing go out the window because you think there won’t be a penalty. How about when you go to a movie theater, you have an assigned seat and there’s somebody right there. You’re gonna punch them up. You’re gonna beat them up right in the theater and get arrested. Go to the penitentiary. How about a concert? How about School. How about anywhere else where there is a seat that you think is belonging to you? cannot do what they did with Kamalan Anthony. You have to go get a teacher or coach or somebody. And I would say that.

[MCG]

And Kamalanti cannot do what he did, neither.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

Exact same thing if there was reverse races. And I’m gonna add one last thing since I’m talking. If you’re gonna unsubscribe, so what? I don’t care. It’s okay. It’s fine. I don’t need your soliloquy.

[MCG]

Here come the arrogance.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

I don’t need your exit letter. This ain’t no job.

[MCG]

Because he has been.

[Jay]

He must have come under fire for this take and that’s what he’s talking about?

[MCG]

Well, and other takes before because they’re awful.

[Jay]

Right.

[Anthony Brian Logan]

You’re free to go. Free to do whatever you want. It’s okay. I’m not going to sit there and tell you 15 times and keep coming back. And if you don’t, I’m going to put my hands on you. That’s not what I’m going to do. Go ahead. It’s a free courage. Do what you want to do. But I’m not going to read your letter. You write me a four page letter. I’m not going to read it. But I think I’ll leave that right there for now. And what say you? What’s your opinion about this whole Karmelo Anthony situation? Are you tired of it? Whatever it is, whatever your thoughts are, let me know in the comments below. You guys know where I’m at. I stand on what I say. I’ve been saying the same thing since 2025. I’m not gonna change. And I’m pretty much done with it until they appeal and beat it. When they appeal and beat it, I’ll come back and make a video. But right now I’m done. I’m finished. I’m not gonna make three videos a day like some channels about it. I’m done. It’s over. I said what I said. If you don’t like it, cool. If you do, that’s cool too. But whatever.

[Jay]

They’re not appealing it and they’re not beating it. So.

[MCG]

Well, they did appeal it, but they were rejected. Right. Anyways, we’ll get to that later. But. Okay. Andrew Branca, which he wrote the book, the.

[Jay]

The self-defense book. Yep.

[MCG]

Yeah. Was it the art of self-defense?

[Jay]

The art of self-defense. Yep.

[MCG]

And I have a copy of that book. And you don’t have to take it from me. You can take it from the legal experts. And I will say Andrew Bangor is one of the legal expert in the law of self-defense. He teaches that for self-defense claim to be successful and hard to convict, it must satisfy five specific elements. If anyone, not that you have to have three or four. and you can miss one but if anyone is missing a prosecutor can use that Gap to argue that the use of force was not legally Justified so in order for camel to have successfully claimed self-defense all five of the elements of self-defense must be present now I’m going to go to all five of them and I’m going to show where I think camelo Anthony had major gaps in these rules from Andrew Branca. The first one he mentioned is innocence, and that simply means you can’t be the initial aggressor. Now, in favor of Kamala Anthony or against Kamala Anthony, I think I can make a stronger argument that Kamala Anthony was not the initial aggressor. So I’ll give him innocence. And I think there are many witnesses to that as well. This means that you did not start the fight, nor did you not escalate the situation through threats, posturing, or physical action. That part of it is pretty difficult for Karmelo Anthony. Even though I’m leaning to give him this, you cannot escalate through situation, through threats, posturing, and physical actions. Now we can argue that, of course, Oskin started, Austin pushing. So that’s escalation.

[Jay]

And it’s been found to be false, by the way, as you mentioned earlier. Initially, everyone was saying that he was being jumped, that there were multiple big men on this team that were coming after Carmel Anthony. That was proven to not be the case. So he has no realm for that. Right.

[MCG]

So if you provoke the encounter, you generally lose the legal protection of self-defense. So in favor of Carmel Anthony, I’ll give him the innocence. Remember, you have to have all five, and that’s just one. Avoidance. You must have attempted to avoid the conflict if it was safely possible. I can’t give that one to Karmelo Anthony. He could have avoided this. He could have simply.

[Jay]

That one’s tough because Texas does have a stand your ground law. If I were a defense attorney, I could make the argument that Karmelo Anthony was standing his ground.

[MCG]

Can’t stand his ground at some place he doesn’t belong. You can’t come into my house and say I’m standing my ground. No, I understand this is not. The home, the home is a little bit different, but you stand your ground is where you’re legally allowed to be. He was under their tent. Asking Medcar had a right to ask him to leave. I don’t think he had any grounds to stand there to say, I’m legally allowed to be here. I’m going to stand here.

[Jay]

But is this a stadium that all of the high schools use? Who would make that argument that…

[MCG]

But most importantly…

[Jay]

I’m just trying to go all the different routes that the defense attorney could have gone perhaps.

[MCG]

But I don’t think it’s a stretch, but it’s not. But most importantly is when it comes to avoidance. Could Carmel Anthony have simply left?

[Jay]

Sure he could have. I mean, he wouldn’t be talking about this if he did.

[MCG]

Because even if Carmel Anthony say, you know what, this is a public area. You’re just having to put up a tent in a public area. I can come under it if I want to.

[Jay]

Mm-hmm.

[MCG]

Situation. Askin Metcalf have a strong argument to saying, this is our tent. You came under our tent. So why should Austin leave? And again, Austin, from what we saw come out in court, did not escalate this to deadly force. Carmela did. So we could even go back and say what Austin should have done. Carmela, the one who escalated to deadly force, he’s the one who’s seeking self-defense. So he’s the one who need to show avoidance. So how did he show avoidance? To my opinion, he didn’t show avoidance. So I can’t give him this one. So at this point, he’s one for two. know he says the element varies by state some states have a duty to retreat as I mentioned earlier requiring you to leave if it is safe if a safe venue exists while others have stand your ground we thought about that regardless of the law juries often consider whether you choose violence when escape was a viable option

[Jay]

It was raining.

[MCG]

The tent did not have any surrounding or one door or something.

[Jay]

The tent was protecting him from the rain.

[MCG]

And he’s not made from sugar. He’s not going to melt. He could have left. So therefore, I don’t give Camelante that one. And according to Andrew Branker, the legal expert, you have to meet all of them. He already missed one. The third one is imminence. The threat must be immediate and unaffordable. Self-defense is not for threats that might happen in the future, or for retaliation after the threat has already passed. The danger must be happening right now. I don’t think, in my humble opinion, that Camilla Anthony had any. any imminence of death or grievous body injury at this point.

[Jay]

But Metcalf was a big honking sort of football dude and Karmelo Anthony was a scrawny little track dude. It’s self-defense because Metcalf was much bigger than Karmelo Anthony, don’t you know? I think that argument was put forth by Roland Martin, actually, the race hustler Roland Martin.

[MCG]

I’m not even going to comment on that. So the fourth one is proportionality, which is, I think, what ABL grossly mischaracterized. The force used must be appropriate to the threat. You cannot use deadly force to respond to non-deadly threat. I push from one 17-year-old to another 17-year-old who is fit and healthy is not a deadly threat is not proportional to stab that person.

[Jay]

But MCG, he disrespected me.

[MCG]

The level of force must be proportional to the harm you reasonably believe is about to be inflicted upon you. So in my opinion again, if Carmel Antony had punched Askin Metcalf, maybe even kicked him and then run off, I would be team Carmel Anthony. I can’t give him proportionality. He responded to a shove with the de force. I can’t give him proportionality. And then the last one, number five, is reasonableness. Your action must be reasonable, meaning that an average person or the typical juror would agree that your perception of the threat and your response to it were sensible under the same circumstances. And of course, since the trial already happened, 12 supposedly reasonable people did not buy that Kamala Anthony was being reasonable. So four out of the five, I would say, went against Kamala Anthony. The only one I would give him is probably innocence. So when you look at the laws of self-defense, as outlined by Anchebanker, the legal expert, Kamala Anthony isn’t wrong all the way. And again, I’m not saying Oscar McHalf was right to have put his hand, quote unquote, on Kamala Anthony. But I’m simply saying you cannot respond to a non-deadly threat with deadly force, no matter how disrespected you felt. And all these five rules of self-defense, he missed four of them. Anyways, you’re listening to Remove Embarrass Podcast. We are discussing Kamala Anthony and Oscar Metcalf. We’ll be right back.

[Jay]

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[MCG]

All right, so we have responded to Anthony Brian Logan, now I want to respond to Megan Kelly. Megan Kelly is on the other side. Maybe he can say more agree with us. And Anthony Brian Logan more disagree with us. So now we’re going to play what Megan Kelly has to say. Megan Kelly is now going to talk more about what happened after the trial and appeal process and stuff. And keep in mind, Anthony Brian Logan is not a lawyer of any sort. And Megan Kelly, I think, does have a law degree.

[Megyn Kelly]

The stuff about? Karmelo Anthony and Austin Metcalf is jaw dropping guys. When we went to break last week, it had just hit air that there was a filing in the attempt by Karmelo Anthony to get a retrial that showed basically he wanted a retrial. It’s been denied, by the way, over the weekend. But he was saying one of the reasons I deserve a retrial is because there was a gentleman’s agreement between my lawyer and the prosecution. And they agreed that no character evidence would come in. And I now regret that, basically.

[MCG]

I don’t know if I said this before, but I’m going to say no if I didn’t. I think one of the weakness of the defense was that they did not allow Carmilla Anthony to testify. I think she’s going to bring up that a little bit, but if he does, I’ll comment on that, but I’m going to let her continue.

[Megyn Kelly]

He claimed that the prosecution violated the agreement in a way that kept Karmelo from taking the stand. And this was a deep, flawed problem in the prosecution’s conduct. All of it was rejected. Okay, so just know that. I think

[MCG]

there was something that the prosecution told them that if they put Karmelo under the stand, then their agreement was over and then they go to bring in character evidence against Karmelo.

[Megyn Kelly]

It was a stunning reveal because the prosecution in responding to these accusations said, let me tell you why this agreement was completely voluntary on the side of Karmelo Anthony and actually made a lot of sense for him. And why if we didn’t have this agreement, it wouldn’t have been all rainbows and unicorns for Karmelo, as he now wants this court to believe. And the prosecution dropped some bombshells in its filing. Well, over the weekend, we actually went and tried to pull the filing, couldn’t get, we’ve reached out to everybody in the case, it’s not yet public, but we did find a local report going in depth. A local reporter down to CBS Texas found it, JD Mills. and reported on exactly what both sides were saying was about to be revealed had they gone into character evidence then I have to tell you my jaw dropped about both of these young men it’s just my overall takeaway is these were two angry young men not just Karmelo Austin too

[MCG]

and I would agree with that

[Megyn Kelly]

And this clash now makes so much more sense to me. It’s, you know, because all along, remember when it broke, we were like, what? Someone brought a knife to attract me and stabbed another boy for no reason because he told them to leave the tent? What? And if you read the background of each boy, young man, it all becomes clear. It becomes actually quite clear. mean Karmelo Anthony had a hair trigger and there was a long history that proved it this guy as we suspected has had multiple run-ins with alleged crimes okay and Austin Metcalf was far from a saint himself and there were serious racial incidents in his past too so Look, it doesn’t change the fact that a murder was committed that day. And Austin Metcalf is not accused by anyone at the track meet that day of uttering a racial slur at Karmelo Anthony or in the presence of Karmelo Anthony. Okay, that didn’t happen. Even Karmelo Anthony didn’t claim that. But prior to that day, as Austin Metcalf was coming up as a kid from 11 to 17, different story.

[MCG]

One of the reasons I think that, in my opinion, that the defense could have put on a stronger case with this is because she’s going to get into the past of Oscar Metcalf. It could lead to motive as to why, of course, they would have still been speculating, but it’s still somewhat to motive as to why Oscar Metcalf didn’t want him on the detent. Was he the only black guy on the detent? Was he because he was black? Why he asked him to leave? And then if that’s the case, Going back to all the stuff that Megan is going to talk about now, a strong defense probably could have used that pretty well.

[Megyn Kelly]

So, and I really believe all of this should come out. This shouldn’t have been kept a secret. Like, the fact that this remained a secret and the fact that this isn’t yet a public document that everybody can get is a problem. This all should be shared because there’s a cautionary tale in here for schools and parents everywhere. Like, patterns repeat themselves. Violence doesn’t spring out of nowhere, usually. Usually there are building blocks to it that will help you foresee a greater act. And I’m here to tell you right now, if Karmelo Anthony hadn’t gone to jail for killing Austin Metcalf, I guarantee you this kid was heading for jail either way. This kid was going to spend his lifetime behind bars no matter what. I don’t know what the crime would have been, when it would have happened, but he was headed there.

[MCG]

I can see why she said that, but people mature.

[Jay]

People mature and people change. And I agree with her statement that these were both very angry young men. And I think we’re going to talk about the reasons why afterward. But I don’t know if I agree with her take. that all of the character evidence should have been put out there. The reason I say that is because, on the one hand, it might have tempered the racial element there because, you know, you would have been able to see that anger was common to both of them, despite their skin color. But at the same time, it may have obfuscated the fact that Karmelo Anthony murdered this boy and had absolutely no legal standing, no reason to. It might have softened the result of the trial. It might have softened the way that people perceived him in public, and I don’t necessarily agree with that. If you find a way to demonize the victim, then it makes the perpetrator that less gruesome or that much less of a monster. I don’t know, maybe I’m just speaking outside of my face here, but I don’t know if a disclosure of that character evidence would have benefited the trial.

[MCG]

I can say both ways, but I kind of more agree with Megan here. I think that it should have come out. But I do see the fact that if it did come out as big as this case was, it would have been even bigger. And it would have triggered maybe even more backlash from the Black community in terms of clearly showing evidence that, quote unquote, that Oscar Metcalf was racist. And if you have evidence that he was racist in the past and probably was still racist at that time, it can speak to motive. Now, again, someone being racist doesn’t necessarily mean that you have a right to stab them. Again, evidence would have come out whether or not he was being aggressive or angry towards Karmelo. And if not, what the case may be. But I think the evidence should have come out. Maybe he would have gotten five years instead of 35. Who knows? Maybe he would have gotten off. Maybe someone would have said, hey, I can’t convict a young man who stabbed another young man who is potentially racist. You never know. And we would never know. what would happen because they had this gentleman deal. But for me, I would rather he come out than not. But I can understand why the prosecution difference. Hey, let’s just stick with the happenings of the day rather than go through the pigpen and dig up all this dirt.

[Megyn Kelly]

So let’s go through it. This, yeah, CBS JD Miles. Miles posts on X. We have examined the full background reports on Austin Metcalf and Karmelo Anthony. Here is what they reveal and linked to the article and we’ve gone through it line by line. Okay, let’s start with Austin Metcalf. And then I’ll just tell you my note next to bullet point number one reads. Austin Metcalf and his brother Hunter were once caught spray painting graffiti, including KKK kill all blacks. and **** ****** along with the N-word, and were sentenced to 12 months of juvenile probation, court documents show. Not good. Let’s not pretend otherwise. Records reveal they reportedly told authorities, we did some dumb stuff and we did some vandalism.

[MCG]

Now, I can see in the US that going to perceive as being racist. And for all-purpose of me, I’ll say it’s racist. But also Can it be some dumb young people doing some stuff because it’s prohibited and we’re going to do it anyway? Not necessarily racist. I don’t know. I guess there’s an argument there, but I’m kind of a little bit forgiven when people are young. I don’t know. Maybe I’m wrong there, but, you know, 11 to 17. Anyways.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay. Yes. And I will say, look, there is a thing I don’t know what year they did this, but there is a thing right now that we have seen in the reporting that we’ve been doing since the explosion of Woke with young men, white men, doing things that are considered incredibly subversive just to test authority because they know full well what these kinds of messages will do to them and their careers and their reputations and potentially their schooling. I’m not excusing it for one second. Just saying what I have seen amongst the incidents popping up at this school and that school is some of these young kids, not all white, but non-black, are using this word as a way of being like subversive, like a middle finger to authority. they’ve been told since birth now that like you, if you utter that word, you’re evil, your whole world will be blown up. And so I think some of these guys do this. Again, I don’t.

[Jay]

I’ve seen that too. I was going to mention that right before she said it. There is an element, I don’t know how many, there are some people that are non-blacks that use that word on purpose just to undermine the infrastructure that’s in place now that says if you use that word, your life is over, you’re a bad person, you’re evil, you should be canceled, blah, blah, blah, especially when there’s a double standard that black people can use that word and white people can’t. And so among the young people, I’m noticing that they may not necessarily be racist, but they are using that word as a means to undermine and subvert that particular, I guess you could say, pillar of the infrastructure in our nation today.

[MCG]

Or just as an element of free speech. Who knows?

[Jay]

Right. The argument is, if we truly have free speech, why is this particular word off limits? Why is this word not okay for us to use, but it’s okay for them to use? But yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

I don’t know what Metcalf’s heart had in it. The same heart that he was stabbed to death in by Karmelo Anthony. But Since he’s not here to defend himself, I do feel the need to acknowledge I don’t know how old he was for this particular incident, nor what the circumstances were. Again, not excusing it. But listen, there’s more. There are several documented instances of Austin Metcalf using racial slurs in school. And in 2023, Metcalf was accused of bullying a black student in class. going on. When he was 11, so this one does have an age attached to it, in 2018. He was born in 2007. When he was 11, according to court documents, while still in elementary school, Austin and his brother were accused of bullying and assaulting a female, which led to Austin Metcalf’s arrest during, hold on a second. is it oral argument? Let’s say, no, During an argument in 2024 with another female. So this is 6 years after the first incident when he was 11. So now he’s 17. He was killed in April of 25 at age 17. So he’s 16 or 17 here. during an argument in 2024 with another female student, Austin Metcalf allegedly knocked her to the ground and punched her in the stomach, reports state. And he was also kicked out of a football game and later texted someone, quote, I was about to beat the blank out of those kids. So that’s two instances with girls, one in which he punched one in the stomach and knocked her to the ground, one in which he was accused of a bully.

[Jay]

So it sounds like Austin Metcalf was on his way to jail too. If he had survived at some point, he would have made his way to jail as well.

[MCG]

Or he’s matured and grown.

[Jay]

Or he might have matured, yep.

[Megyn Kelly]

Fleeing and assaulting the young girl and he got arrested for it at age 11. This is problematic, guys. Doesn’t change the fact that he was murdered. I don’t mean to suggest otherwise. It’s just, you know, the image of Austin Metcalf as some sort of a choir boy was not real. Was not real. Now we’re seeing the background here. At a previous track meet, not the one where he was stabbed, when another student alerted Austin that someone not on their team, quote, behind our bench was talking wild, Austin Metcalf reportedly replied, kill that MF. Kill that, you know, obviously. During the 2023-2024 school year, he received an in-school suspension twice. School disciplinary records from April of 22 to May of 24 reveal he reportedly called a teacher the B-word or used profanity. He would later tell a school official he couldn’t control it and wasn’t aware that it was coming out of his mouth, whatever profanity. On 2024, on at least five occasions, records show he saw a counselor regarding his anger and rage during a football game. So that’s five occasions in 2024 He needed to see a counselor regarding his rage during a football game. So he was having serious anger management problems. Obviously, that’s relevant. Was there more behind the exchange? Was he telegraphing some of that anger? I mean, if I were Karmelo Anthony’s lawyer, I would have wanted that in evidence, but Karmelo’s history is so much more disturbing than this one. That’s why he struck the deal. That’s why he agreed not to have any of this stuff about Austin Metcalf come in. So.

[MCG]

What I’m seeing here and woe to me to speak like this because I’m a parent too and I have four boys, but I see a parenting issue here on both sides. Again, I’m not trying to victim blame or anything here, but Mr. Metcalf, this is on you. Mr. Anthony, this is on you. You’re the one who raised those boys. And a lot of times I don’t think any of these boys were in single parent home. A lot of times boys become this angry when they’re in single parent home, especially raised by their mother when they have any manly example in the home.

[Jay]

From what I understand, they were raised by their father. Were they? Or they were raised in a divorced home raised by their father.

[MCG]

I’m not 100% sure, but were they in a single parent home?

[Jay]

Yeah, I think that the father is divorced, but I don’t know who they were living with.

[MCG]

Well, that probably speaks to it, but to me, 11, this is a parenting issue. I’m going to let it get into Carmel, Anthony, but… Again, I hate to say because I’m a parent and I’m still in their mix of it. But in my mind, they failed. And of course, parenting doesn’t come with a manual or anything. And then you talk about a human being that have a mind of their own, but, and you can get into nurture versus nature and all that stuff. But we were the dads when these things were happening.

[Megyn Kelly]

So not particularly relevant to the fact that he was using words and Carmela was using a knife. And we all know how it ended. But it’s, I mean, it’s just, Both of these kids had some shocking incidents in their past. So he had anger management problems and was on record as having seen a counselor five times the year before he died for this. In 2021, Austin was banned from attending basketball games for a season after yelling profanity at a player. Court documents state that Austin Metcalf was also suspended after he and another student were talking about bringing a gun to school the following day. Now you can see why the prosecutor did not want any of this to come in about Austin Metcalf. He did not want his victim to be seen as a racist who’s spray painting the N-word and KKK, kill all blacks. This is not good. These are not in the category of good facts. Doesn’t mean he gets murdered and nobody does anything about it. Again, no one alleged he screamed a racial slur or came anywhere close. to crossing any racial lines that day, except the nuts who just had a problem with the fact that he ejected Karmelo. But everyone testified, including black witnesses, that this was not the practice to allow somebody from another team to come stay in your tent. All right, now to.

[MCG]

So I’m going to speak to that a little bit because I played sport in high school. And of course, we never really necessarily had a tent that we stay under, but I played cricket and I played basketball in high school. I played basketball, I think, one year, and I played cricket. Two years could have been three, but I decided my last year I wasn’t going to play any sports. In cricket in particular, I played against folks that went to a sister church that I did, you know, at youth group. On the island, there was like 9 or 10 churches that we call sister churches. Of course, they were independent Baptist churches, but, you know, sometimes the youth would gather together. So I know this guy pretty well from youth group and everything. I guess it can say we’re friends or close acquaintances, whatever you want to call it. But we went to different schools and we competed against each other in cricket in high school. But during competition, I wasn’t speaking to that guy. He was with his group. I was with my group and we’re not friends. We’re competing. So the fact that Camelanti was under another school tent was like, I don’t know, maybe it’s like, you know, People go to the NBA, the Michael Jordan era, where Michael Jordan hated everybody that wasn’t on his team. And now LeBron James and the new generation kind of love everybody, whether they’re on the team or not. I don’t know, maybe I’m just an old guy that’s looking at Common Landing like, no, you’re competing. What are you doing under their tent? I wanted nothing to do with my friend at that point. No, I’m here to win a cricket match and you’re there to win a cricket match and you’re on the opposite team. far as I see you’re the enemy. Oh my. When it’s done, it’s done. It’s over. I see you at church. It’s hi, how are you doing? Blah, blah, blah. Whatever the case may be, maybe have some bragging rights if you win or whatever the case may be. And we did win, but I don’t get it. I personally, in my day, if we had set up tents, nobody would be on anybody’s tent. And get this, I grew up on an island that everybody kind of knew everybody and we still didn’t do that. So this is kind of a little bit foreign to me. But anyways, you gotta get into Karmelo Anthony background now.

[Megyn Kelly]

Karmelo Anthony, I mean. I’m just gonna read to you my summary of what he had done prior to this moment on the side of my packet, and then we’ll go through it. Threat, stalking, theft, assault, robbery, assault, vandalism, fighting, possible expulsion, threat to shoot, firearm, firearm, anger, drugs and alcohol, assaulted teacher, weapon to the state fair, weapon, burglaries, weapon on campus. That’s my summary of what we’re about to go through on Karmelo Anthony, the sweet, innocent angel that his defenders point him as. He was just there minding his own business. This is a good kid. No. When you hear this history, you’re not going to be surprised at all, at all, that he wound up stabbing Austin Metcalf in the heart for no reason, or because he felt threatened because Austin told him to leave the tent, that he did not react like a normal teenage boy, who most of us know plenty of teenage boys would react upon having his ego bruised or feeling unwanted or looked down upon. You know, I can see those feelings being real when someone tells you to get out of their tent and you don’t wanna leave, but to stab somebody in the heart is inhuman. There’s something wrong with you. There’s gotta be something in your history that would tell us you’re not a stable person and woe is there ever. All right, let’s go through it. Okay, he was living in Louisiana prior to moving to Frisco, Texas and CBS reports that on the day that Karmelo Anthony would fatally shoot, sorry, stab Austin Metcalf, prosecutors say he sent a text message at 1 A.m., which read, I’m low key on the verge. We told you about that one last week. And then he emphasized it, you know, adding some sort of emphasis to it. Later in the morning on April 2nd, this is the day of the murder, hours before he would kill Austin Metcalf. Anthony’s girlfriend reported to a Centennial High School staff member that Karmelo Anthony was engaging in stalking behavior to include but not limited to driving by her home and refusing to allow her to end their relationship. That too we knew last week. In a 75 page filing, prosecutors say Karmelo Anthony had previously been accused of stealing his girlfriend’s phone. And in October of 2024, again, the murder happened in April of 2025, so this is just months before, wrote a to-do list for his girlfriend about how to deal with, quote, weirdos, which included the line, say some slick, say some slick, like something slick, like my BF kill people, boyfriend. The ridiculous vernacular. Okay. Say some slick, like my BF kill people.

[MCG]

Again, I don’t want to excuse any of them, but to me that points to his youth more than anything. But yes, I can see how dumb that is as well.

[Megyn Kelly]

This is from Karmelo’s own texts. There are text messages where he admits on at least two occasions to punching girls in the face. My friends, we have boys on both sides of this confrontation who like to hit girls. That’s like, think of all the teenage boys you know. What would it take to make any teenage boy you know punch a girl? Both of them have repeated incidents of allegedly doing it. Text messages where he admits it to at least two occasions of punching girls in the face. Prosecutors also found text messages.

[MCG]

Okay, story time. Because I was a teenage boy once. So when I was, you know, in high school, I think I was maybe 12, 11, 12. You know, of course, again, in the islands, you go to high school pretty early. I don’t know how the American does it, but or secondary school as we call it. I went to basically a public school, co-head school. So there was this girl, I don’t even remember her name, I think her name was Lisa. And apparently she was being sent to boxing classes. She was taking boxing classes. And she came to school and she said, hey, you know, you’re doing boxing classes. And she said that she can beat up the boys, you know, what the case might be. That’s what she said to me. And she came to me and said, MCG, you want to fight kind of thing? And I was like, no. And I was basically running from her. And I literally run from this girl for like a week. And one day she caught up with me. The reason why she caught up with me is because school started at 8 A.m. and, you know, get to school at 7.45 or whatever the case may be. You have 10, 15 minutes before school starts. I was already running from this girl. Anyway, the school had this policy that to start the day, they’re going to ring the bell like two times, two, three times. And that is considered to be what we call, we used to call it a stick bell or freeze bell. That’s the first initial bell that say, hey, stop what you’re doing. Don’t move from where you are. Just stand still and be quiet. That was the rule. If you don’t do that, you’re caught by a teacher. You’re going to be sent to the office, whatever the case may be. So anyway, she’s chasing me and the stick bell happened and I stood still for the stick bell. But she kept on coming until she got up to me. And then she started wailing into me some punches and I hit her back and I hit her good to the point that she was crying. And both of us were sent to the office, to their headmaster, headmistress at that point. It was a female principal. And, you know, at that point, I don’t know what it is about me, but the principal at that point, for some reason she liked me. Even up to this day, I think recently my mom saw her and she was asking about me. So I don’t know what’s special about me or anything. But anyways, I said to the principal, hey, I’ve been running from this girl for like a week because she wanted to fight and I didn’t want to fight. And because she went to boxing classes, blah, blah, blah. And she didn’t deny it. She didn’t deny that I was running from her and she wanted to fight. So the principal let me go and she got her, at that point, corporal punishment was still legal in the schools. I think it’s still legal today, but you just have to be the principal. And I think she got a whooping or whatever the case may be. And I went for free. But I was basically a teenager who put my hand on a girl, but I think it was self-defense. But anyways, I don’t know what the situation behind the, I don’t know if the girls were provoking these boys or whatever the case may be, or these boys were just mean and decided they’re going to beat up on girls. I don’t know. For my generation, most guys didn’t hit girls, you know, unless it’s a situation like that where the girl is decided that she’s going to wail into the boy for no reason or because she thinks she can beat him up. But I don’t know what the situation behind Kamelante putting his hand on girl or asking Metcab put these other girls. But I think more information may be needed on that. But anyways, for both parties, it doesn’t look good. I’ll let her continue.

[Megyn Kelly]

Just from 2021 between Karmelo and another student about robbing someone for $300, charming. Then there are other text messages where Karmelo Anthony talks about a fight and punching someone, quote, so hard he had to stop fighting. In 2023, prosecutors say Karmelo Anthony told a friend he was going to vandalize someone’s house in Austin, Texas, saying, quote, I just feel like it. I got a grudge. In 2021, Karmelo Anthony told a friend he had been suspended from school for three days for fighting, saying, quote, they said next time I do some. I get recommended for expulsion, according to court documents. In a text conversation with a friend in 2023, prosecutors have messages from Karmelo Anthony in which he wrote, I’ma shoot the school up tomorrow with my blick, but later sent messages saying, I would never actually do that, okay? In 2024, now we’re a year before the fatal stabbing of Austin, In a text thread, prosecutors say Karmelo Anthony admitted to carrying a firearm, telling friends before the party that he would have the gun in my pocket. According to the documents, there are other message threads in which Anthony also mentions carrying a gun and carrying it to places where it did not belong. His teen years in Louisiana, after numerous suspensions for fighting, While attending school in Louisiana, there are messages between Karmelo and his girlfriend after he moved to Frisco, Texas, according to court documents. In one message thread, she suggests he should just sit for a while. And he replied, yeah, and punch people. Hold on, my writing’s covered up with my highlighting here. He replied, yeah, and punch people, maybe run sometimes. I have to, it’s like a priority for me. I like punching people. When I get mad, I see red. When I get mad, I black out. When I get mad, I can’t control myself. I mean, this is just devastating. This is devastating stuff. If the jury had heard any of this, they would have come back even faster than they did.

[MCG]

Well, that’s it, her take. Again, as she said, both boys did not choir boys, and both boys had the past. I can see why the gentleman agreement was made. If I were Karmelo, I would probably not make that gentleman’s agreement, because in today’s culture, if I can prove that asking is racist, you know, what are the three deadly sins in the US today? Being racist, sexual offense, and what else? Kamala Harris accused Joe Biden of the of two of the three, two of them being racist or being. It was a debate offender. If I were Kamala, I would definitely want that because a lot of black folks would have looked at that as being worse than what Kamala Anthony did. And Kamala Anthony, they could make the argument that he’s young and he’s just a victim of his culture or whatever the case may be. He’s not mature. And of course, they say I’m going to be for Austin, but being a racist is not forgivable in this country. So they probably would have had a better chance of winning if they had brought that character evidence in and also putting Kamelo understand. And Kamelo being understand could have broken down in tears, claimed that he was in fear for his life, claimed that he was at least two against one because He had a twin brother, I didn’t know if his twin brother was going to join in. There’s so much argument in favor of Carmela Antonetti could have made. Not that I’m excusing it, I’m just looking at it from a… defense point of view, what I would have done if I were the defense lawyer. Of course, the prosecution can bring in all kinds of stuff. Askin was 11. He was young. He was immature. There’s no evidence that he said those things during that day or he displayed any anger during that time. And I think the jury would probably have a harder time. Again, maybe they would have given five years rather than 35 or maybe they would have given 50 rather than 35. You never know. It was a gamble. But I would have taken that gamble if I were in that position. God forbid that I would ever be in that position. But who I think he has 35 years and he has to spend 17 and a half years before he’s up to probation. Let’s say he’s 20. That’s 37, 38, something like that. He’s out. He could start a new life.

[Jay]

He’s still pretty young.

[MCG]

Hopefully he can.

[Jay]

He still has a whole lot of life left. Yeah.

[MCG]

Hopefully he can make something of his life. Then if he served all 35 years, maybe didn’t have good behavior or he’s denied probation, you know, 20 and it’s going to be 55. That’s going to be a little bit steeper coming out and trying to have a life at that point. I don’t know. But I would have said, hey, bring it in. But am I Monday morning quarterbacking? Sure I am.

[Jay]

I think that there are two things that I would really like to discuss on this particular issue. We talked about the anger that young men feel, and they are walking, ticking time bombs. And not every man will explode and do something violent. I hope that as a society that we would discuss the the issue of angry men, angry boys, angry men. The relationship between women and men in this country has never been at such a low, I would venture to say. Young men, I would imagine, I don’t know, I’m not a young man, but from what I can see from the outside looking in, young men are angry about the decline of the interaction and respectful and healthy interaction between men and women in this country. Women have entered the space in such a way that marginalizes, accuses, and attacks men. That’s something that really needs to be evaluated. They perhaps feel in this economy and in the political climate that they have no options, they have no viable options before them, that they are persona non grata, they are public enemy number one, they are the scum of the earth according to media and everybody. And so men I’m not excusing any behavior, but I’m just saying that men seem to have a lot to be angry about and they are in desperate need of guidance from the word of God to deal with that. They are left to their own devices, their own wrath. And the Bible says that the wrath of man doesn’t achieve the righteous endings of God. So that’s something that we ought to look at. And something else that I wonder if we’re going to be able to look at is the abhorrent reaction that this trial generated online, people defending Karmelo Anthony simply because of his skin color, simply because of who he killed. Oh, I’m anti-white and so I’m going to support the black guy or I’m just supporting Karmelo Anthony because he’s black or whatever the reasons were. There’s a psychosis that I don’t know if we’re in it as a nation or if it’s just people online that are keyboard warriors and then they feel free to say what they actually want to say. But Karmelo Anthony’s family was able to raise well over $600,000 for his defense, and people were demonstrating and protesting that he should be set free and that this was unjust justice for Karmelo Anthony and the raw, uncontrolled emotional reaction was something to behold. And it seems like we’re seeing it more and more and more with all of these different high profile cases that come to light. And I always like to point my finger back to the OJ Simpson trial where, oh, what’s his name? The lawyer, I forget, but OJ Simpson’s lawyer was able to put the state on trial when he pulled the race card and for someone who, you may argue with me, but someone who was obviously guilty, that set the precedent later on. And even today, we see the result of something else being put on trial besides the defendant. It’s never just the defendant. There’s always something, it has to do something with race, or it has to do something with their minority status, or it has to be something with their mental status, or it’s because they’re a woman, whatever the situation is. We see that in the Karmelo Anthony case, we see that in the Lindsay Clancy case and many others that we can talk about now, this phenomenon seems to be multiplied in today’s world. Not that I’m a walking encyclopedia of the trials that have happened in the last 25 years, but I don’t think that was very much the case as much as it is now.

[MCG]

Well, the O.J. Simpli case was, well, a lot of folks say that the Carmel Ante case was the modern day O.J. Simpli case.

[Jay]

And you could make the argument that many, many, many things, many mistakes in that case. It’s not a one for one comparison, but.

[MCG]

Yeah, it’s not a clean comparison because of course, it’s a little bit different. Clearly, you know, you can say clearly whosoever killed, what’s her name? Nicole.

[Jay]

Nicole.

[MCG]

Simpson again.

[Jay]

Simpson. No, was it Nicole Simpson?

[MCG]

Well, she was married to him, so I don’t remember her maiden name. The person whoever did it went there to murder her. I don’t think necessarily Carmela Anthony went to the chap meet with the intention of murdering Oscar Metcalf. I actually, I don’t think it might be the intention of murdering anybody. You know, again, I think a lot of this could come back to the youth and the disrespect and all that stuff in terms of that. But I’m just saying, if I were in this situation, I would use everything that’s available to me. And even if I have to use rape to avoid 35 years in prison or 50 years in prison, because it could have given me more. I think it should have come then. Who knows what would have happened? It would have been a gamble. The jury would have looked and said Kamalanji is an angry person, a person who is prone to violence, and we’re going to convict him. Or they could have looked at Asimatkam and say he was a person who was already, even at a young age, showing racial tendencies. Who knows what he said to him? Who knows what he was thinking at that point? Again, I acknowledge he would have blown up a way, way bigger than what he did and maybe would have cause maybe even a George Floyd kind of situation and I’m not calling for that and I’m not saying it’s right to use race when it’s not important I’m just simply saying if the defense is trying to win the case win the case that’s what lawyers do that’s why they look at me as coming so you know in that position outside of Christ sure I would have done whatever it takes to win in terms of angry young man I think that goes back to fatherless homes or single parent home but That’s just my analysis of it. I think that fathers are needed, especially when kids start going into the preteen and teenage years, boys start to go into the preteen and teen years, to be that figure that they can’t over-impose on their mother and do all these things because they are bigger and have some kind of muscle mass. And mothers are there to have the gentler side for the kid. That’s why God gave us two parents and two different people. So to me, in my opinion, again, I said this before, What I’m seeing in these two young men is maybe just lack of a father.

[Jay]

Lack of a father, true, but there’s also something that we really shouldn’t turn the blind eye to, and I wonder if Christians really need to be aware of this. The way that things are in the country right now, women have lost their sense of place. Women have lost their sense of what’s appropriate, what’s acceptable in terms of how we behave. I don’t mean that we’re supposed to kowtow before all men and that men can never be wrong. The idea of respect is very, very, very serious to a guy, I would imagine, so much more than women. And the way that some women speak to men and some girls speak to boys, they are playing with fire.

[MCG]

How is that relevant to this?

[Jay]

What I mean is, Yes, there should be a father in the home to teach the boy to control his emotions and to rein himself in and to hold frame. But the fathers and the mothers are also necessary to teach the girls how they ought to behave as well.

[MCG]

I get all that. I’m not contending that. I just don’t see how it’s relevant to Carmel and the Afghan Mecca.

[Jay]

Well, we’re talking about how they both hit girls and they both have these very rough relationships with girls. I’m not making any excuses, but I’m saying a woman can have a mouth on her and can really be abrasive toward men in such a way that they are not prepared to handle the consequences. I’m not making excuses. I’m not saying it’s right. I’m just saying that if we’re looking at the systemic problem that needs to be addressed, part of the systemic problem is fathers in the home. That’s true. Another part of the systemic problem is women not understanding their place.

[MCG]

Let me say this. I see what you’re saying, but a woman mounting after a man is not a reason for a man to hit a woman.

[Jay]

No, no, no, of course not.

[MCG]

They’re not saying that, but that’s what they come across. Woman, again, anybody, woman, man, child should be able to disrespect anybody, I guess, who is not their parents or whatever the case may be. I’m not trying to be overly liberal here, but a disrespect by anybody from any human to another human does not warrant a disrespect. I agree with you, but in a culture… I just want to be careful with that, because whether these young men were disrespected or not, that’s not an excuse for anybody.

[Jay]

No, it’s not an excuse, but in a culture that has drunk the Kool-Aid, that any type of disrespect is grounds for violence or physical altercation, which is… It’s a third part of the systemic problem. The media that we imbibe, the music that we’re listening to that promote this idea of violence for disrespect, intolerance for disrespect, a lack of meekness, a lack of patience, a lack of self-control, all of that being in the music and in the film and in the media that we take in, that’s another leg of the systemic problem too. But yes, you’re absolutely right. I agree with you. That’s absolutely no reason, absolutely no excuse for a man to put his hands on a woman. I totally agree. and affirm that. But at the same time, women have become very masculine and very brash and very harsh in their expression, and that deteriorates the relationship between men and women as a whole in the country. And men are angry about that. And perhaps it comes out in this whole bottled up anger that we’re seeing in young men today. This is just me throwing something at the wall to see what sticks, but I think that’s something to look at.

[MCG]

I really don’t see the relevance in this because I think that could be a slippery slope in terms of stuff. Again, yeah, men do value respect and stuff like that. But there’s a possibility here, but at the same time, you have to also value self-control and temperance and all that stuff that you can’t be hitting people because of disrespect or whatever the case may be. There’s a sign of maturity there that while what you’re saying, there might be some truth to it, to some degree, I’m just kind of a little eerie in that because it’s like, to me that can go down a slippery slope. It doesn’t matter, you know, it doesn’t matter because a stranger doesn’t owe you any respect? Is it polite? Is it maybe a part of the culture to do that? Yeah, I don’t go there disrefecting people because they’re strangers or whatever the case may be. But do I owe them respect? Not necessarily, but it’s just a polite, courteous thing to do. But if you don’t get it, there’s a little bit of responsibility on you that you can say, you know what, whatever, move on. So yeah, I see what you’re saying, but I don’t know, it feels like a slippery strope to me. What do you hope come out of this tragedy?

[Jay]

I would hope that we see all of the systemic issues that would lead to something like this standoff, like this tragedy, and that it would turn our hearts to the word of God. That the way that God established man and woman, boys and girls, families, society, the way that God has laid it out in scripture for us to be is the best way to be. And I would hope that this tragedy would turn our hearts to the scriptures, not to the echo chambers, whether conservative or liberal that we find online, not to the red pill or woke echo chambers, but to Christ and to his revealed word. That’s what I would hope would come out of this tragedy.

[MCG]

Yeah, I’ll just speak to Carmel Anthony because he’s the one who’s still alive. Unfortunately, Oscar McHoff lost his life through this tragedy, you know, to something where my heart hurt for him because the way I see him, I see him as a young man. kid may be a product of his nurturing or maybe a product of the nature he was in I don’t know but my heart kind of hurts for him a good portion of his life is now lost and again of course I understand Oscar Metcalf lost his life and that’s irreplaceable at least Carmel Antill is still alive I’m not trying to victim blame but my heart goes out for him my heart desire is that one day He would come to know my savior, Jesus Christ, as Lord and Savior. That would be one of my hopes and dream for Kamala Anthony, because he’s young. I’m sure if he had to do this 10 times of the 10 times, he would not probably wouldn’t repeat this. I don’t think his intention was to kill him. Of course, he have to suffer the consequences anyway. But my prayer for him that he would repent of his sins, turn to Christ. If Austin did not do that, Austin Metcalf, At this point, it’s too late. Yeah. You know, but Carmela still can turn to Christ with repentant faith. And if you’re listening to this, you can too, my friend. So my appeal to Carmela Anthony and to you who are listening, I would say the same appeal that John the Baptist gave in Matthew chapter 3 verse 1 and 2. The Bible said, in those days came John the Baptist preaching in the wilderness of Judea and saying, repent he for the king of heaven in his hand. and also the same message from the apostles in Acts chapter 3 verse 19 repent he therefore and be converted that your sins may be blotted out when the times of reflection shall come from the presence of the Lord and my simple question is would you turn to Christ in repentant faith today if Karmelo Anthony hasn’t done that that’s my prayer for him if you haven’t done that that’s my prayer for you unfortunately as I said it’s too late for Austin I only can trust that he had done that before that fateful day But that’s my parent hope.

[Jay]

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[MCG]

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