Episode 199
When Daniel Penny’s intervention on a New York subway unintentionally resulted in the death of Jordan Neely, the country was up in arms and he was public enemy #1. When Luigi Mangione (allegedly, as of this post) deliberately took the life of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, millions rose to his defense and hailed him a hero. Why is that the case? The situations couldn’t be more clear and diverse, yet evil is called good and good, evil. On this episode of the Removing Barriers podcast, we explore the circumstances that would bring about such a twisted response. Could it be there is something in these cases that we missed? Or are we a country that has lost its fear of the Lord and so the average person can no longer accurately discern good and evil?
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Yeah, I would agree. I think it is twisted way I can say yes, he was helping to help lessen the downtrodden. But in truth, as you said, my journey is a cold birthday killer.
[Jay]
Thank you for tuning in to the Removing Barriers podcast. I’m Jay and I’m MCG. And we’re attempting to remove barriers so we can all have a clear view of the cross.
[MCG]
This is episode 199 of the removing various podcasts. And in this episode. We’ll be comparing Daniel, Penny and Luigi Mangione and the circumstances which brought old men to the spotlight.
[Jay]
Hi, this is Jay. MCG and I would like for you to help us remove barriers by going to: removingbarriers.net and subscribing to receive all things, removing barriers. If you’d like to take your efforts a bit further and help us keep the mics on, consider donating at removing barriers.net/donate, removing barriers. A clear view of the cross.
[MCG]
All right, Jay, let’s start with who is Daniel Penny and Luigi Mangione. And what the background and the stories.
[Jay]
Daniel Penny was a former is a former Marine who was acquitted of the charge of manslaughter in the death of Jordan Neely on a New York subway. In 2023. Luigi Mangione is the alleged we have to say alleged, because he has not yet gone to trial, but he is the alleged killer of the United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Mm-hmm. He is a 26 year old man who is alleged to have shot Brian.
[MCG]
MHM.
[Jay]
Thompson in the back and in the leg in a targeted attack. Back in response to what he perceived to be the grievances that he has and many other Americans have against these huge, multibillion dollar multinational companies, healthcare companies and he is currently in jail awaiting trial and. He has pled not guilty to all of the counts against him, and the response that these men received in relation to the situations that they were in has been night and day, yeah.
[MCG]
Surprisingly.
[Jay]
Very, very different. They’re both in a situation where someone who was a perceived threat was either killed or died as a result of their actions. Legally, there needs to be a differentiation between those two.
[MCG]
Well, I don’t know if there was a perceived threat in lose your mind, your only case but.
[Jay]
In Maggioni’s case, the idea that the rich are stepping on the poor and they deserve, they have it coming in that line of thinking, Mangione grew up a lot more privileged than Penny was. Penny was a middle class kid. I don’t think he got anywhere past middle class his entire life, former marine. Grew up in Maryland, I think it is. No, he grew up in New York in a middle class family, joined the Marines 4 years, got out, used the GI Bill to go to school and just happened to take the subway. And there we are. History is made Mangione. On the other hand comes from a very, very privileged and affluent family his family owns. Multiple resorts, not resorts. I don’t think that’s the right way to put it. It’s more like a. Country Club kind. Of thing. Yeah. It’s a Country Club. Health services for the elderly. Like a a sort of a retirement.
[MCG]
Yeah, I think so.
[Jay]
Home and the radio station and a Family Foundation. And he went to private school. He actually went to Ivy League School. I think it was Yale. I think it was. Oh, no, no. He went to University of Pennsylvania, got a Masters degree in science and Engineering and computer programming. All these things. So he was very, very privileged, did well for himself, but then just decided, you know what? Well, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly decided. You know what? I’m going to kill this guy because he represents everything that’s wrong with America. Everything that’s wrong with how I’m being treated, I’m going to kill this guy. Allegedly. Then a *****, on the other hand, attacked Jordan nearly because Jordan nearly was a 30. I think it’s three. I think he was a 33 year old man with clear mental health issues and. Has had mental health issues for at least a decade and a half before he was killed, he was making menacing and threatening remarks and performing those actions on a subway with people who were clearly not comfortable. They felt threatened by his menacing. Behavior. He made a move. Then a penny stepped in, put him in a rear naked choke. Hold. That ultimately ended up killing him. Many people say that the man died on the subway, but officially it’s been said that Neely died in the hospital as a result of his actions.
[MCG]
Alright, so we have a New York Post article that we need to dive into that give a good comparison between the two men. Why don’t you start?
[Jay]
Reading it OK, this is from the New York Post written by Miranda Devine. Both Daniel Penny and Luigi Mangione were born in 1998, the year that President Bill Clinton was impeached over the Monica Lewinsky scandal and three years before 911. They were raised less than 250 miles apart. Penny on Long Island at Mangione in Towson, MD. The only sons to loving families, Penny is the middle child of three sisters, Mangione. As two younger sisters both grew up into athletic and diligent. Men Mangione’s upbringing was more privileged than pennies, and he was more academically successful. He attended A prestigious Baltimore Prep school that cost his parents $40,000 a year, graduating as valedictorian before earning bachelors and masters degrees in computer science at the Ivy League University of Pennsylvania, where his passion was for devising. Complex computer games to simulate his fantasies. He then worked for various tech companies, including most recently as a software engineer at California online car seller TrueCar. At some point last year, he left that job and started to travel, winding up in Honolulu after backpacking through Asia. He reportedly loved Japan and spent time there earlier this year observing the culture a bit like a professor studying ants. Judging by the emails that have surfaced online, scary lack of free will in this country. He wrote in one e-mail to an acquaintance describing an incident in which he went to the rescue of a man having a seizure but was critical of the slow response of police, who waited for green lights despite the urge. Quote modern Japanese urban environment is an evolutionary mismatch for the human animal, he wrote.
[MCG]
So there you have Mangione and somewhat privileged, somewhat upper class life. He had growing up and of course he was able to get a better education, $40,000 per.
[Jay]
Right.
[MCG]
Therefore, high school is more than some college.
[Jay]
For more than some. Colleges.
[MCG]
More than the college I went to, I don’t even think I spent 40,000 in four years in the college I went to, but anyways.
[Jay]
Yeah, well, here’s Penny. Penny grew up in a less wealthy environment without the advantages that Mangione enjoyed. He attended public school. West Islip High might be Islip high, but I think it’s Islip high where he excelled at sports before joining the Marines, serving as a Squadron Leader on 2 overseas deployments. After four years in the military. He spent several months working at a surf shop in North Carolina near Camp Lee. June. Ohh. I’m sorry, Camp Lejeune, as they say now. He then enrolled in college but found it unfulfilling. Like mangione. He had come to a crossroads in his mid 20s and decided to travel the world in search of meaning. Growing up here in New York, I have always been inspired by the ambition and grit, Penny said. Penny dropped out of college and backpacked through Central America, inspired by the novel Don Quixote. He wrote in an online job seeking profile. Don Quixote is really great. I love that story. But anyway, Don Quixote is so inspired by adventure he leaves his quote normal life to pursue his dreams. Despite being called a madman, being able to serve and connect with the most interesting and eccentric the world has to offer is what I believe I am meant to do. Until this year, the lives of these two restless young men tracked almost perfectly.
[MCG]
So when they said this, you’re talking about 2024. Not 2025.
[Jay]
That’s right. Penny was a top lacrosse player at West Islip or Isle. Mangione played soccer and ran track. Both liked surfing penny in Long Island and Rangini in Hawaii. They even looked like the reverse mirror image of each other. I do not agree with that, but OK, handsome and strong. They both like to wear their curly hair a bit long with penny blonde and mangione brunette. Each man has been described by friends as a quote people person. But there the similarities end. One of these all American 26 year olds is allegedly a cold blooded assassin who fatally shot a man in the back in midtown Manhattan. The other is a Good Samaritan who saved the subway passengers from a deranged vagrant who was threatening to kill. Them mangione and Penny both have found themselves caught in the tender mercies of the Manhattan DA. Alvin Bragg this year over 2 tragic and very different deaths in this city, both young men see themselves in heroic terms, but Penny is the only hero. He never should have been charged over the death of a violent drug addle Jordan Neely. Who was threatening passengers on the F train on May 1st last year before the former Marine restrained him with a chokehold. Penny was driven by empathy for the women and children recoiling in fear as nearly. 830 shrieked. I’ll hurt everyone here. I’ll kill you. I don’t care if I go to prison. The Sass surveillance footage shows Neely struggling while Penny and another man restrained him for 7 minutes. When the police arrived, he was breathing despite A maligned prosecutor who kept referring to petty. As quote White man and portrayed him as a racist, a unanimous jury majority female and including four people of color, acquitted penny of criminally negligent homicide. This week I didn’t see a black man threatening passengers, said Penny. I saw a man threatening passengers, a lot of whom were people of color. I was scared for myself, but I looked around, I saw women and children. He was yelling in their faces. I didn’t want to be put in that situation, but I couldn’t just sit still and let him carry out these threats. In an interview with Fox News, Judge Jeanine Pirro, Penny said I’ll take a million court appearances and people calling me names and people hating me just to keep one of those people from getting hurt. Or killed Mangione if he is guilty as charged of the murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, 50, is no hero. The man who walked up behind Thompson in the early morning darkness of December 4 and calmly pumped 3 bullets into his retreating body as a psychopath. The harrowing. Surveillance footage begins with Thompson walking purposefully down W 54th St. toward the Hilton on 6th Ave. where he was due to give a speech at a conference. It is to be the last journey for the 50 year old father of two who pulled himself up by the bootstraps from a working class family in rural Iowa, the son of a beautician and a grain elevator operator, he went to a state school, South Hamilton High School in Iowa, where he was class president and homecoming king in his senior year. He graduated in 1933. Valedictorian, 1993. As valedictorian, just like Mangione.
[MCG]
1993.
[Jay]
The last moments of his life on that cold morning last week, and of course, this was December of of 2024, the last moments of his life on that cold morning are captured in the grainy video police found from a camera on the street corner. It shows the gunman emerged from the shadows wearing a black hoodie and coolly aimed his guns.
[MCG]
December of 20/20/2024.
[Jay]
At Thompson’s back. Thompson staggers, then stumbles to his right, clutching at the wall and looking back in shock at the gunman who calmly reloads and fires a second shot as he walks toward his prey. You can see the blur of Thompson’s face before he is spun around, staggers a few steps and slumps to the sidewalk. The gunman fires a third shot. As Thompson falls, then briskly walks toward his victim. But Thompson has stopped moving. The gunman veers away across the street, his sick real life game has worked just a. His planned the words he engraved on the deadly bullets deny, defend, depose, evoke the tactics insurance companies are said to use to avoid paying claims, but they are simply there to give him glory and the fake alibi of a valiant avenger when Mangione was arrested Monday at a McDonald’s in Altoona, PA. Police allegedly found a rambling manifesto that presents him as a hero who did what had to be done because healthcare executives like Thompson are, quote parasites who kill Americans. The words belie a life of narcissism and delusions of grandeur. They are another transparent attempt to paint the premeditated murder of Thompson as a noble mission. And yet it is mangione and not Penny, who has attracted swooning fans online, who exhibit the same psychopathy and lack of empathy as their beloved anti hero. It speaks of a society that has lost its moral compass, that mangione sparks admiration, while the valiant Penny is condemned as a quote white vigilante. It shouldn’t have to be said, cold blooded murder is bad. Risking your life to save vulnerable strangers from a violent predator is good.
[MCG]
So I guess the question begs then, why? Of course, I think the art of this article kind of jump into it a little bit, but in your opinion, why do you think that Daniel Penny was widely condemned as evil while? Luji Majoni was hailed by many as the hero. Why the difference in the Court of public opinion?
[Jay]
The only difference in the Court of public opinion that would have penny be the zero and mangione the hero is who they killed and why Jordan Neely was a black man homeless. Mentally ill so he checks off a lot of the intersectionality boxes while Brian Thompson was a white man, Rich CEO. Well to do.
[MCG]
MHM.
[Jay]
He’s Public Enemy #1, and so Luigi Mangione, even though he was very similar to Brian Thompson. The only difference was that he wasn’t a CEO. He was privileged, just like Thompson was. But because he killed the right person who was in the wrong section of intersectionality, that makes him a hero. While Jordan Neely, who’s in the right area of intersectionality being killed by Daniel Penny, who’s in the wrong area of intersectionality, is a 0 so. It isn’t about right and wrong. It’s not about righteousness and wickedness. It’s about who is following the currently mandated orthodoxy as established by the radical left. And when that’s your prism. Then, of course, Mangione is a hero. And Penny is a 0. There’s also, I think, a little bit of what’s called pretty privilege happening here. That’s hard to say, pretty privilege. Mangione is a handsome young man by many standards. He’s a handsome young man. And so all of these, I don’t. I shouldn’t say this because I don’t know if all of them have cats, but all of these cat owning single women. Who despise men and they are very prominent on the left. You could see a lot of them on the left. They’re swooning because he’s a Robin Hood figure. He is a hero. He’s so dangerous and looking and he’s so handsome and he killed the right white guy. This is our guy. We love him. He can do no wrong. Meanwhile, Penny, who by any standard, is probably not as handsome as mangione or whatever is considered to be worthless racist. Whatever other name they called him when he killed, when he subdued, I should say I should not say. He did not. Kill him. Well, he didn’t murder him. I guess I should say when he restrained Jordan nearly and ended up it resulted in his death. Well, Daniel, Penny was doing the right thing for the right reason. To the wrong person, so they need to string him up, of course.
[MCG]
The first thing that comes to mind based on what you’re saying is that you know, how do we even define which could you do me a favor and search and see if you can find out what Brian Thompson network was.
[Jay]
OK, let’s see.
[MCG]
I I don’t know, but sometimes we care about the word rich around. On and I don’t know.
[Jay]
I think I remember him being worth.
[MCG]
If you have $5,000,000 network, are you rich? Well if you compare that to.
[Jay]
I think he was worth 200 something million.
[MCG]
If you compare that to what you call this guy, Mr. Wonderful from Shark Tank, he has a network of 400 million.
[Jay]
Ohh really? Kevin O’Leary? Kevin Leary has.
[MCG]
But yeah, but is he rich? If you compare him to? Elon Musk, who have a network of over 280 something billion.
[Jay]
Yeah, he’s a nothing. Right. Brian Thompson’s net worth is reportedly to be about 50 million.
[MCG]
So. OK, well, I guess.
[Jay]
4250 million, somewhere between 40 and 50.
[MCG]
Million I will consider. That rich super.
[Jay]
Alright, sure.
[MCG]
Rich, I will consider that rich, I think not. The hill and the head. I think the reason why I was hailed as many as a hero. And Daniel Penny as an evil person is basically to Germany. Yeah, the the social, cultural, ideological and economical influence exerted by the dominant group. So basically, they’re saying Daniel Penny fits all of it. He’s white, John and Neely, as he said, he’s black. Daniel Penny is at the top of the Hemogenic power, meaning he’s white.
[Jay]
Headphone thing, yeah.
[MCG]
Male, heterosexual, blah, blah blah are gonna Jordan Neely is kind of at the bottom of the energetic power to some degree because he’s black. He’s male. He can argue that he may have a disability because he gives a mental issue and then he’s home.
[Jay]
Mm-hmm.
Sure.
[MCG]
So he’s pretty much at the bottom of the hemogenic power the I guess the person that has the very, very bottom of the hemogenic power would be a black man who’s transcended to a woman. He would be probably at the very bottom of the hermetic power, especially if he has mental issues and some sort of disability. So those men, you only do white. And The funny thing is, luge mentioned is at the top of the home. Our according to them, yeah, he would be rich.
[Jay]
Sure.
[MCG]
Male. White everything that quote UN quote varying times would have had, and he’s even higher thermodynamic scale than Daniel Penny.
[Jay]
But you see.
[Jay]
Yeah, but see, Brian Thompson was higher on that scale than Mangione was right, because at least Mangione could at least Mangione could say that, you know, he’s not white.
[MCG]
Well, I’m not even sure.
[Jay]
In the sense because, you know, he has, like, there’s some immigration. Yeah, it’s.
[MCG]
He’s Italian.
[Jay]
Italian, but that doesn’t quite count as white from Iowa, right? You know, so and.
[MCG]
I don’t know, because Maggioni had generational wealth. Brian Thompson is first generation.
[Jay]
That’s true. See Brian Thompson is, you know, dirty blonde, blue eyed from Iowa. He’s whiter than Mangione according to the right. He’s higher on the scale of hegemonic power than all of this is nonsense, obviously, which is why I’m I’m laughing at it because it. According to their logic, Elon Musk shouldn’t be at the top of the tower or at. The top of.
[MCG]
Well, he’s African American.
[Jay]
What you think? Not according to them.
[MCG]
Well.
He’s from South Africa, but anyways, there was recently an interview between Taylor Lauren and some guy from CNN and this is what she said concerning why so much people like Lou Mangini well played and come back.
[Jay]
It makes no sense. Yeah, she’s an absolute quack, by the way.
[MCG]
Come back on the other end and we discuss if you have a point or not, but let’s see what Taylor Lauren has to say.
[Jay]
OK.
[CNN clip with Taylor Lauren]
Hilarious to see these millionaire media pundits on TV clutching their pearls about someone standing a murderer when this is this is the United States of America. As if we don’t lionize criminals as if we don’t have you know, we don’t stand. Murderers of all sorts, and we give them Netflix shows. There’s a huge disconnect between the narratives and angles, as our mainstream media pushes and what the American public feels. And you see that in moments like this. And I can tell you I saw the biggest audience growth that I’ve ever seen because people were like, oh. Somebody, some journalist, is actually speaking to the anger that we.
Feel the women who got our outside course, New York.
So you’re gonna see women, especially that feel like, Oh my God. Right. Like, here’s this man. Who? Who’s the revolutionary who’s famous? Who’s handsome, who’s young, who’s smart? He’s a person that seems this. Like this morally good man, which is hard to find.
Yeah, I just realized women will literally date an assassin before they swipe right on me. That’s where we are. I’m sure you wouldn’t like to be compared to. A. Trump supporter, but some of. Some of how people cannot understand why people have sympathies for Mangione. Yeah, strikes me as the same as Arab media not understanding why people support Trump.
I totally agree.
It’s because a lot of people are just really, really desperate.
They want somebody to take on this system, they want somebody to tear down these barbaric establishment institutions.
[MCG]
Alright, so there you have it. I’ll give my take on what Taylor and so they know that you jump in Jay so. Does she have a point in terms of why majune is being praised in a nuanced conversation, I will probably say yes. And here’s why. If you look at podcasts like true crime podcasts and stuff like that or that genre of podcasts or even TV shows, they have a lot of big hits. And I think a lot of people are just interested in. That sort of thing. The crime, the court session and all the time. Kind of true crime. But I think the way she presented it would turn off a lot of people if she had said I totally and unequivocally condemned Louise my journey for the sense of murder. Brian Thompson. And then she said what she said. I think people would probably see the nuance a little bit more that people have probably liking this guy because it’s true crime. It’s intriguing to some people to follow these kind of things. That’s like some people are gets morbid. They like to study death and how people die and all those things, you know, everybody have their things that they like. Dislike, I guess. But she didn’t settle by condemning this action. She just went straight into pro. Then the fact that he’s young and he’s under some people looking for all these things and he come across as if like she’s supporting or healing cold blooded murderer, which I’m not quite sure if you’re doing or not. I can see folks condemning her saying yes, that’s probably what she’s doing. But I think if she maybe started with a disclaimer and said hey, I totally and unequivocally. Condemned the Scentless murder of Brian Thompson by Luigi Manjani. She probably would have got much pushed back as she did when she said that. What’s your take?
[Jay]
I think she’s slimy. I think she really does agree with all of the people that she claims that she’s speaking for. We’re talking about all the people fangirling over this guy, but she can’t afford to actually come out and say that because she doesn’t want to lose her standing. She went on Hannity on the Fox News network. This is a few days before Easter of 2025. And when he confronted her with what appears to be her support for Luigi Mangione, she kind of tried to clarify and backtrack and say no, I wasn’t saying that he was great and that he was handsome. I’m saying that the women are saying that about him. I’m not saying that about him, and I’m just explaining what people feel, people who feel like they’ve been oppressed by the system. Blah blah blah. All of the works that that we know that she champions when Hannity tries to pin her to the wall. And explained that a father has been gunned down in cold blood in the street, a father of two, and you have no sympathy for that. You don’t condemn the people that are praising this guy and sending him letters and sending him money and supporting him and fangirling over this guy. You’re not going to speak out and she simply said, you know, I I believe in free speech. I believe in freedom of speech. I’m not someone that believes in things like souls. I don’t think that these people are soulless. I don’t believe in a soul, so I can’t say that. But I do believe that there’s freedom of speech and blah blah. So I think that she’s slimy. I think that she won’t outright say yeah, I support this dude even though she actually totally supports this dude. She wants to straddle both sides of the fence and be a supporter of his while not explicitly saying so, because if the weather clock or if the weather vane turns, she wants to be on the right side. Of history and say, well, I never personally supported him. I’m talking about how other people are supporting him. So anyone that follows Taylor Lorenzo’s work or even does a cursory search for her on the Internet knows that she’s a quack, knows that she has no morals, no principles, and that everything that she says should be considered a lie if she’s moving her mouth, she’s. Playing and I think it’s clear from what she said there and what she further tried to clarify on Hannity, where she absolutely refused to come out and condemn anything that happened in this particular situation with the assassination of Brian Thompson.
[MCG]
Yeah, I think the lack of condemning Luigi is, you know, it’s telling. But and again, I’m not praising losing my journey. I think what he did. It was totally horrible, but you can’t deny that there are a group of people in this country and around the world. They’re just intrigued by crime and they will listen to podcasts on that topic and TV shows or whatever case may be. So I don’t know. I think maybe that what she is tapping into, but you brought up, they’re pretty privileged.
[Jay]
Yeah.
[MCG]
How much do you think a pretty privileged play into the willingness to deem criminal heroes?
[Jay]
I think it’s huge. I think it’s huge because let’s look at people like Zakhar Sarnau V. He was one.
[MCG]
The Boston bomber.
[Jay]
The Boston bomber, the one that survived the younger brother that survived because his brother Tamerlan. Tamerlan. I’m sorry. I’m not trying to be disrespectful. Mispronouncing. I also don’t care. But he was the younger he was the younger brother, and he’s a very handsome young man.
[MCG]
I don’t know about that, but go ahead.
[Jay]
You should have seen how he was treated even while he was on the run from pop. Piece or from the FBI and from all of the other alphabet soup entities that were pursuing him. CIA, FBI, all these people. He was put on the cover of Rolling Stone. He was like the pictures that came out when he was found in someone’s backyard coming out of the covering of their boat. How he lifted up his shirt to show that he has no weapons. And of course. He’s a very young man and he’s got a six pack and so all the girls like ohh, he’s so this is not and everyone was fangirling over this guy so much so that even Rolling Stone as I said put him on the cover now in what universe? Is it OK to glorify someone like that? And it’s not like they put him on the cover during his perp walk or, you know, like a condemning picture of him, where he’s obviously caught and subdued and no, no, no. They put the most handsome picture of him. He looked like a rock star on the cover of that magazine, and girls were like, ooh, he’s so handsome. And let’s forget the fact that these people killed dozens of people. I need to pull that up. Actually, how many people died in the Boston farming?
[MCG]
Well. Problem is clearly among women, young women. Who are the problems? Is because I don’t know of any.
[Jay]
The woman, though, gave this to me with me.
[MCG]
Die that gets in this country, we wear homosexuality is a thing, but I don’t know of any guy who look at Luigi Maggioni and the Boston bomber guy there and think ohh, he’s so handsome. But anyways, I digress.
[Jay]
No guys, but I mean, let’s be real, the guys are going to look at women that are beautiful and be fooled by them. Well, I’m not sure there’s a pretty privilege there. There’s.
[MCG]
For woman mug shot of woman, no.
[Jay]
Women in general.
[MCG]
Yeah, women in general, but we talk. About criminals here, I don’t think guys fall for criminal women as well, yes. Absolutely they.
[Jay]
Do.
[MCG]
Maybe I live in a bubble. Or something but.
[Jay]
Until the women bite them and me to them, and then they realize ohh, OK, this is a Viper with a very pretty face.
[MCG]
I think girls go more for the bad guy vibe than guys going for the bad girls vibe, I think.
[Jay]
OK, I see what you’re saying. I thought you meant like pretty privileged. In general, OK, I see what you’re saying, yeah.
[MCG]
Yeah, I think the bad guy vibe, you know, especially like with Jeremy Meeks, when his mug shot was released. You know, kind of see that woman will go for the bad guy vibe, but most men won’t go for the bad girl vibe.
[Jay]
Well, women. Women want a dangerous man because they expect their men to defend them and protect them. But there’s nothing wrong with wanting a dangerous man. Your man should be dangerous.
[MCG]
Well, I I don’t know. I don’t know about that.
[Jay]
He should be. Formidable but to crossover, but to crossover and make excuses for his heinous crime just because he’s handsome. That’s a whole new level of psychopathy.
[MCG]
I think it’s more than handsome though. I think fame goes with that. Well, I guess for Jeremy Meeks, he.
[Jay]
Yep.
[MCG]
Wasn’t famous until he. I don’t know, but I think a lot of these guys, the fame that come with it, but of course as we know. In this society, in this world, sex cells, so I guess some level. There’s definitely pretty privilege. I just say when they start putting presidential debates on TV, they haven’t been a ball president since. Yeah. So yeah, I guess to some extent, yeah, people, I guess they haven’t been a really short one neither. So.
[Jay]
Sure. OK, so this goes to show how we are no longer serious people. If we can just have our heads turned by the next pretty face. If we can excuse mountains of sin, of crime, of fill in the blank just because the person is good looking. That just shows that we are a sinful and unserious people, and think of all of the things that Hollywood actors get away with because they’re beautiful and they’re rich and they can and they’re famous. And so.
[MCG]
And they’re famous. I. Think. I think that’s what I’m struggling with. I don’t know if it’s just pretty, even though some. I guess you could start with pretty, but if you’re not famous and rich, it’s hard because if you’re famous and rich and ugly, you still get many of those privileges too. That’s true. Harvey Weinstein. Well, I don’t know what he whether he’s pretty or not, but I’m just simply saying I think class has a lot to do with it as well.
[Jay]
It means you only didn’t have as much class.
[MCG]
Well, he wasn’t known well known, but for him he was definitely.
[Jay]
He wasn’t. For him, it’s a notoriety you’re saying. OK, I don’t think notoriety would have been enough to get him to the level where women are, you know, writing him in jail. And he has to tell them to stop writing and stop sending him stuff because so much of it is coming in. Jeremy Meeks.
[MCG]
Why?
[Jay]
He is, I think, Jeremy Meeks or yeah.
[MCG]
Yeah, I think so. It was just a release of. A. Mug shot. It went viral.
[Jay]
That’s all it took. There was no notoriety there. He looked pretty. He’s a pretty guy. So, so much so that he was able to get out and make something else of his life because of the support.
[MCG]
You got the muddling contract.
[Jay]
You got a modeling contract because of this, no one knew who this guy was until his mug shot went viral. Because he’s pretty. It’s a pretty privilege there, and that just goes to show that we’re.
[MCG]
Well.
[Jay]
Not a serious people.
[MCG]
Look at sports talk show. Usually it’s a man. And another man debating of a sport, and the moderator is a pretty face. A woman. Of course, they’re trying to change that now. So they having more women commenting than sport, but the ones that really get serious attention in terms of listeners and stuff like that is they’re trying to shop and they skip Bayless when they were doing undisputed. And they have a a woman.
[Jay]
Yeah. The moderator was, yeah.
[MCG]
Exactly. And there’s a reason why most. Flight attendants are women. There’s a reason why most news anchors are women, because I guess they’re definitely pretty privilege.
[Jay]
The Bible says that charm is deceitful and beauty is vain.
[MCG]
Yeah, but the woman of fear with.
[Jay]
The Lord she shall be praised, right. And so if we are so moved by how someone looks, I’m not saying it’s not important. I’m just saying that we’re excusing this guy. Because he’s good.
[MCG]
Looking what I’m saying, I think it’s more than just good looking.
[Jay]
OK, I agree with you. If Mangione was the one to kill Penny, he would be. I’m sorry, was the one to kill Neely. He would be treated just as penny. No, no, no. I don’t think he would be treated just as penny. He might still have some supporters because he’s pretty. And so some girls would be like, oh, you know, he’s right. Ever. Probably what? What I’m saying, though is that in addition to the fact that we. Has slipped and we have totally desecrated the standard of righteous judgment, holiness. In our discernment and how we evaluate what’s right, what’s wrong? What’s wicked, what’s righteous in that same way we abuse and we are misusing the gift of beauty that God has given us. Beauty is not there for us to excuse all of the ugly that we’ve done. Beauty is more icing on the cake, and it doesn’t last as the Bible. Says beauty is vain. Beauty is sure useful because the prettier you are, the more likely people are to engage with you. That’s just. That’s just natural. We’re visual creatures. I’m not knocking that. What I am saying is, in this particular case with Mangione and Penny, there’s a lot of pretty privilege going on as well. I mean, not everyone is is swayed by this, but. OK, let me bring up another instance of pretty privilege and I want you to see if perhaps pretty privilege plays more of a role than we’re seeing here. OK, recently the. Watch Jeff Bezos’s company get Blue Origin sent five or six women up to the upper levels of the atmosphere, not outer space, just the upper levels levels of the atmosphere where they can experience weightlessness or whatever, and brought them back down. And it was a media circus. It was a media circus because. Well, the left praising these women for becoming astronauts, apparently for going on a joy ride up to space and back. And the right was criticizing the coverage that these women were getting because it’s ridiculous, the coverage and the promotion and the fawning over these women was just ridiculous. They were not serious astronauts. They were tourists going on this ride to the atmosphere, experiencing weightlessness for about 11 minutes and coming back down. In fact, I think the entire thing from launch to landing was 11 minutes. They weren’t even up there for the full 11. Minutes. Compare. That to what we saw when the two actual astronauts returned from space, Butch and Sunny, right? I remember when Sonny got out of that capsule and, you know, she stepped out and she was waving to the cameras and commentators. One of the first things that I heard them say was, oh, why is she so Gray?
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Jay]
Why is her hair like that? She just spent. A year in space where she was supposed to spend about 8 months in space where it was supposed to be 8. What days was it? I think it was supposed to be a week in space. Ended up being eight or nine months in space. She comes back and ohh my goodness, she looks great right now. I have a conspiracy theory here. I’m gonna put on my tinfoil hat. I think that Jeff Bezos’s trip.
[MCG]
It was about 8 months. Seven days a week of.
[Jay]
This blue origin is a blue. Origin, I think. So yeah, this blue origin trip for these. What was it? 6 non serious women. 5 non serious women was to repair the damage that a lot of people think that Sony did to the image of women in.
[MCG]
So.
[Jay]
Face because she came back. She’s older, she’s Gray. She is looking kinda rough because she had a rough trip. I mean it would, you know? But you know, if you see your female astronauts like that. Oh, no, we can’t have that. Let’s go ahead and put these five glammed up. Women up in space. That’s that’s my tinfoil hat. But that’s pretty privilege, right? No one’s gonna want to be an astronaut.
[MCG]
Well, you see, I.
[Jay]
It’s Sunny is on the coast. You see what I’m saying? That’s the non seriousness of it. But if you have 5 glamorous women, you have Katy Perry and then all these other.
[MCG]
No, I. I don’t think so.
[Jay]
Serious women go up there with their weave and their eyelashes and their makeup, and they go up there and they’re kissing the ground. And ohh my goddess and all that nonsense that we. Saw them do up there well. Then yeah, girls are gonna be like. Oh wow, that’s so. Cool people are gonna be like, oh, wow, now I want to be an astronaut. OK, let’s all be astronauts. And it’s just so all not serious. That’s my turn for hat. I’ll take it off. No, but you can’t deny the pretty privilege that comes into play there. I think part of why they went up there was to repair the the image damage that.
[MCG]
I don’t think.
[Jay]
Was done.
[MCG]
So how old is Katy Perry is?
[Jay]
I don’t know. Is she 40? Something? I think on 30 something. I don’t know. Let’s see. Katy Perry.
[MCG]
I think she’s probably about 40, but she’s probably was the.
[Jay]
Yes, there. Yeah. But they didn’t look like you. See what?
[MCG]
I mean, everybody can see through the Botox and the lift and the fillers and know every stuff there. Jeff Bezos.
[Jay]
No, dear. Yes, but but it’s all still there.
[MCG]
Jeff Bezos, fiance, is in her 50s, almost 60. GAIL King is probably in her 60s.
[Jay]
Yes, but they don’t.
[MCG]
Look, I don’t know about that. I don’t think it was anything about pretty privileged. I think they’re rich and famous because I can’t see. People are especially the target demographic because if they target in man’s most. And I’m not going to be interested in 5060 plus year old woman, regardless of how much Botox and fillers are lifters they use when they’re ladies in their 20s and 30s. That was about pretty, I think they will send younger women up there. These women are not are not, in my opinion, they’re not eye candies.
[MCG]
If you.
[Jay]
It’s. About young. It’s not about young and none of us would find you and I we’re.
[MCG]
I’m going to say I think if I ask 100. Men between the age of let’s say 18 and let’s say 40 or even younger, I can guarantee that none of these men will say that these women are catches or eye candies.
[Jay]
Uh-huh. MMMM. On their own. But compared to what Sunny looked like when she came back, they would pick those ridiculous women over sunny every single time, and sunny is the real astronaut. Sunny is the real, accomplished 1. Sonny was the one who actually went up and did science and accomplished things for the nation and for the.
[MCG]
I don’t know about that.
[Jay]
World at the International Space Station and she put her life on the line. Had to be in space for eight months, longer than she intended to, while real astronauts and real engineers put their real rockets into outer space to bring them back. Meanwhile, these women, with their Botox and their fillers and their weaves and their eyelashes and their you saw how they were like their suits, weren’t even fully zipped up because they have to show the cleavage. These women go up. They haven’t even achieved a fraction of what Sunny has. They go up for a joy ride and everyone is everyone has lost their minds.
[MCG]
Yeah, but I don’t. I’m I can put that in the pretty privileged market, at least not for me, I.
[Jay]
Other reason would there be OK if?
[MCG]
They’re rich and they.
[Jay]
It’s not.
[MCG]
Famous.
[Jay]
Not all of them are rich and famous.
[MCG]
And they’re and they’re female.
[Jay]
Katy Perry was the only one that was, well, Gayle King maybe, and the other one Sanchez. All the other ones that nobody ever heard of them, no one. ‘S ever heard of them?
[MCG]
I can’t guarantee the average net worker for those women on that flight was at least 10 to 15,000,000, and that’s being generous and would be surprised if the average network for any of them was probably well or. Were 50 million.
[Jay]
Let me ask you this. They are not the first women. I’m pretty sure they’re not the. 1st.
[MCG]
Is the first all woman flight. I don’t care. Think about the flight. They went up the flight. They went up, they got to see the curvature of the earth. I would go on a trip like.
[Jay]
Women, yes. Flight.
[MCG]
That if I got the opportunity, if I had the money, but.
[Jay]
Here I would absolutely. But listen. There are other women who have gone on this blue origin flight.
[MCG]
Yeah, but he wasn’t all men. He was a woman. Power. He wasn’t breaking the glass ceiling. He wasn’t the top of the hegemonic power.
[Jay]
I promise you, if all of those five women looked like, let’s say, sunny. For example, no one would care. I promise you, no one would care.
[MCG]
I can guarantee that if all of them look like if all of them look like, let’s say, what’s the beautiful woman out there I.
[Jay]
Only serious people would care. Don’t know. I don’t know. Let’s throw rich people that we know. Let’s say Beyoncé Katy Perry.
[MCG]
OK, let’s say all of them look like Beyoncé. When she was in her 20s, OK, but they weren’t rich and famous. No one we care neither because he wouldn’t make the news.
[Jay]
I don’t think that’s true. They’re pretty.
[MCG]
OK.
[Jay]
See, that would definitely make the news.
[MCG]
I don’t. Would make the news. I think you make the news is not look so much that caused because I don’t find these women to be an eye candy. I find they’re just basically rich and famous.
[Jay]
You don’t. No, you don’t, but. The media is pretty much run by woke people and most yes rich people, but also woke people and most woke.
[MCG]
Very rich people.
[Jay]
People are women. The influence like we’re being run by women, the reason why that matters is because if you see how women put on the weave and the eyelashes and all that stuff, and they will tell you that they do it for themselves, they do it for them because it makes them feel pretty. The way that men see women that behave or look like that, it’s completely different to what women see. And believe about themselves when they dress like that. So you see all of these 50 year old plus women going up in daughters by 4050 year old women going up in outer space with all the glam and you’re like, yeah, not interesting. Well, you’re a serious person. Most of the people we’re also talking about the Mangione fan girls here. They’re not serious people. All they care about is what look. It’s pretty who’s handsome? Who’s this? Who’s that? Do you fall into the currently mandated Orthodoxy, which right now was? Well, I could say was wokeness. Well, do you subscribe to that? If yes, then good. If no, then you’re.
[MCG]
Out well before. Let’s move on from this, but I think the important thing here is what percentage of people are.
[Jay]
We should, yeah.
[MCG]
Liking him, sending money to him, you know, drooling over him because he’s rich, because he’s good looking because he’s a recent true Crime Story? I don’t know. Will the percentage be more than 50% of people liking him drooling over him because he’s pretty? Or because they’re like true crime? I don’t know what the percentage lie. I guess I’m not a good judge of it, because for most part, he’s a guy. I don’t care. I don’t.
[Jay]
Yeah. And if nothing else, it just brings up the fact that we’re no longer serious people. At the very least.
[MCG]
Oh wait. Anyways, you’re listening to the room of embarrassed podcast, be you talking about Daniel, Penny, Luigi Mangini, whether they are zeroes or heroes, we’ll be right back.
[Jay]
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[MCG]
Alright, let’s move on. We’re talking about John and Neely. Brian Thompson. There were victims of both Penny and Mangini, respectively. Lily was hailed as an innocent victim while practically no one lament Thompson death. Why was nearly a hero and Thompson at 0, do you think? Is the same thing this reverse of why penny is a 0 and Mangino is a hero, it does a reverse.
[Jay]
Yeah, I think so. Neely wasn’t as privileged as Thompson. Neely was black. And so, of course, Neely has to be the hero while Thompson is the 0. It’s interesting because Thompson wasn’t threatening anyone. He was just going to work. Essentially, who’s going to give a speech or something to presentation to?
[MCG]
Some kind of presentation, but let’s look at it this way. Let’s look at it this way because I don’t think it’s simply because of the hegemony, because of course I think the hegemony has a lot to play with. Why? But let’s look at it this way. Because and again this is not my argument, but the things. This is argument that some will make. Thompson was the CEO of United Healthcare. And just like you and me, we have had dealing with health care. That is not the most favorable thing to deal with. For most part, I think they try to as much as possible to avoid paying when they should be. And his look at has been as the. Hey, you are perpetrating evil when you deny my grandmother. When you deny me when they deny my son, daughter, husband, whatever case may be coverage that they should be getting. And maybe some of them have died and they look. We are putting all that at the feet of Brian Thompson at the I think United Health care about the biggest health insurance in the United States.
[MCG]
MMM. Mm-hmm.
[MCG]
Put it all at the feet of Brian Thompson and they’re saying hey. The reason why we see you we don’t care about your death is because you didn’t care about the death of my grandmother when she needed me, that healthcare to pay. You didn’t care about the plight that my son was going through. And you decided to drop coverage of what the case may be. Again, I have not had really any really extreme dealing with health care. You know, when I was doing my eye surgery and I this is not so much my insurance company at this point. But it was more their clinic that I was going at. I know they call me and they say, hey, we want to schedule the first I as such and such a date. And we have looked at your health insurance and we’re going to ask for don’t payment. I think it was like almost $2500 and I’m like why do I need to pay that amount of money at that point my. Deductible and my out of pocket maximum. Home for my family was $3000. My individual deductible was 2800 and my individual maximum out of pocket would be $3000. So it’s either when I meet it or when my family meets it. So she went on to explain to me and tell me basically I don’t understand my health insurance. Stuff I don’t. Tell me that the family does not count. I pull it up and I’m looking at it right now, he said. Either when my the doctor Paul has met or when my family deductible is met, or maximum of the pocket. And I personally said, hey, cancel everything, I’m going to find another clinic to do it. Cancel everything. That’s when she backed off and she said OK and transfer me to her. I guess her boss or what the case may be, and I said to her, look, it’s clear here. I’m looking at it. It says either when my deductible met or my family deductible mean if my family has met the deductible, I don’t need to put down 2500.
[Jay]
Mm-hmm.
[MCG]
And she said OK, give us a credit card. We won’t charge it until the bill comes out. So I did my surgery. I did on both eyes and a month or so later when the bill came out, it was less than 800. Dollars.
[Jay]
Hmm.
[MCG]
And they wanted me to put down 2025 hundred and I asked them, OK, so when do I get back my money if it’s not? Well, you have to go through all this cycle. Rules. So gonna give you all that money you’re gonna hold on to it, and then you’re gonna figure when you’re gonna give me back. That’s why is it say hey to cancel it. We didn’t cancel. We never do it because we came to the agreement that I will give them my credit card. They won’t charge it until end up. And I was right. But they telling me, hey, I have to pay all this money to me. It’s not just the health insurance, it’s also the hospitals and the clinics and all these.
[MCG]
Mm-hmm.
[MCG]
And the doctor offices that are saying tell people they have to spend all this money when they probably don’t have to. And people probably don’t understand the health insurance. And I said if you have insurance, spend some time, I understand, they’ll learn what exactly is required of you and not.
[Jay]
Mm-hmm.
[MCG]
Some clinical administration sitting there office and tell you what you need to pay before yourself and even when I was son was born one of our son. When he was born because he was born so close to the end of the year, I went in and I added him to my health insurance for the current year, which would be the new year and the whole year with the year he was born in. And I have paperwork. For everything. And I remember the bills start coming in and we keep on sending out the bill. The bill coming again, we send it back because we had insurance and all of a sudden I called the hospital. The hospital say, well, we submit the bill to the health Insurance health insurance, deny it. So we send it to you. I called the health insurance and insurance say, well, we don’t have any records of our son being on the health insurance. So he took me. All this time I had to finally try to get a conference call between the hospital billing department and my health insurance. They said, well, they can’t do anything about it because they don’t see any record here. So OK fine. I tried to work with the health insurance, tried to have them at my son for the previous year. They say, OK, we have added him. Give us two weeks, call back in two weeks. It’s still not added. Call back again. They assured me that it was added. Nothing happened. The house was also the bill still rejected all this time. I’m back and forth on the phone. I finally got someone who said to me the only how we can really get him added to your health insurance for that year he was born. To go to my human resources office. So I got my human resource office on there. Then the lady I was working with the human service. When the maternity leave, then they dropped the ball on me. So I write a letter of complaint to the Human Resource Office so they can try to get my son added to the health insurance. Clearly you’ve worked out well. Actually, we end up on paid the bill because the hospital was threatening collections. And then my health insurance finally was able to get my son added to their health insurance for that year that we wanted him to be added. Then the hospital. Finally, we submit the bill and no, not only did I pay them. The teacher went to pay the hospital, so now I called the hospital to get my money back. They said. Ohh, we’re going to process it in a month. In a month I called back. They said well, the guy that was doing it retired shortly after he spoke to him and finally, Long story short. I got my money back, but I’m simply saying here, yeah, I had to go through all that just for the health insurance to pay the bill when the mother of my child had health insurance. Why is it that even the mother of my child had health insurance that they just didn’t say, hey, OK, His mother has insurance. The child should be automatically added to the mother’s health insurance. It shouldn’t be all this. Owning the boat that he wasn’t added this. That, especially since I had proof that I added him so I didn’t dropped the ball. It was my age. I dropped the ball or was the health insurance itself. But the health insurance to go through all this just to avoid paying, saying ohh he wasn’t out there insurance, but his mother was. Why is it that a baby bill is not being covered when his mother was covered?
[Jay]
Let’s be just Frank. No one really shattered tear because Brian Thompson was murdered. There was no mourning in the streets. I mean, we feel like it was wrong. But no one was like, oh man, you know that. Well, what a terrible loss for us because everyone has had a run in with health insurance company similar to what you’ve described where you get the rigamarole and the run around for something they should be like, that’s the common story. So for those that are saying that, you know, Brent Thompson had it coming or he represents everything that’s wrong. And so we should lay that his feet. Well, I mean, if we do that, society won’t function. Because then you can put all of your frustrations with the government at the foot of 1 politician and murder that one politician. Or you could put all of your frustrations with doctors at the foot of one doctor and murder that doctor or all of your frustrations with your husband or with your wife and murdered such and such a person, because, ohh, such and such made me. Obviously we can’t have. Society based on that. I remember there being a video of a man who walked up to an elderly man and shot him in the face and before he shot him said hey, I want you to know that the reason you’re going to die right now is because of my ex. Whatever her name was and shot the old man. And there’s an old man walking. She shot him dead, shot him in the face. You know, that’s so different than what people are doing. And Brian Thompson. Well, yeah, I had insurance companies. Right? And and he deserved what he got, you know. No one shed a tear when Brian Thompson died. Maybe his children did, and and maybe few close friends and family did. But generally no one mourned the death of this man. I’m not saying that’s right. I’m just saying that’s the reality because everyone has had a story like you just described with the health insurance company. But we had to need to get to the point of.
[MCG]
Is that OK? Though my story is? Minor compared to being denied coverage, you know, at least we were in the position to pay our baby bill.
[Jay]
Sure, absolutely. Hmm.
[MCG]
Even though the health insurance denied coverage, I’m not saying some of these should be automatic, but some people are denied coverage because their health insurance don’t think that they deserve to have that surgery or that trial experiment or whatever the case may be, and they may have lived or may not. Who knows.
[Jay]
Right.
[MCG]
What? The thing is, I think a clear understanding of how business works, because Brian Thompson probably wasn’t even in a position to change much of the rules because. Especially when you’re for profit company and they can argue whether or not health insurance to be for profit company, which is another topic, but because their profit company he’s a CEO, but I’m sure there’s a board of directors and stuff like that over him and all the investors that are over him, they expect the company to make a profit because why they’re in business, they’re in business to make a.
[Jay]
Right, right.
[MCG]
Profit.
[MCG]
Mm-hmm.
[MCG]
So again, should it come at the expense of people life? No. But then the only other option is socialize. Health insurance and I’m from a country where socialized health insurance and I’m not quite sure the US want to go that direction, but some like it, some don’t. But I’m simply saying Brian Thompson maybe wasn’t even in a position to make the decision even if he wanted to change it. Because you’re talking about profit. And how does the owners, the true owners, the Board of directors?
[MCG]
Right.
[MCG]
How do they make? Money. They don’t get a salary. They make money when the company make a profit and they expect to get, you know, if the company make $100,000 profit, they’re not gonna be satisfied with getting $20,000 returned. There’s five of them in their investment. They expected to get hundreds of thousands, if not millions. But I think it’s a lot of things. I think the hospitals. Can do better, but should we go to government? Ah, I’m not sure about that one.
[Jay]
Well, our yeah, our healthcare system is just as corrupt and and convoluted as our as our political system here as our government. And so to lay that at the feet of one man, I think that shows a thought process. I think that these people have these Taylor, Lorenzo’s and people like her. It represents a regression in our thought.
[MCG]
Oh.
[Jay]
The process and our ability to reason because what you said was perfectly reasonable. He might not have been in a position to change that. But they don’t care. They don’t care who they shoot or who they kill, as long as it fits the correct intersection box. And as long as you know it’s killing the right person, then they don’t care.
[MCG]
But maybe they wanted to do that to start a conversation. You know? Did I make it clear that we should take up the cause of the homeless? The downtrodden would you say that Lucia Maggioni was doing exactly that?
[Jay]
He says that he was. His supporters say that he was, but I don’t think he was. How exactly did he help the poor and the downtrodden except to have?
[MCG]
Started the conversation.
[Jay]
Killing someone? Ohh anyone that would think that that’s how you go about starting a conversation. Then you’re a terrorist. You’re no different from BLM or from these Tesla activists and the ones that are throwing Molotov cocktails and burning Teslas. Right. Well, then you’re a terrorist. It’s the only way that you can get people to come to the table is through murder and violence and all these different things. Well, then you’re a terrorist. And the people who are supporting you need to look very carefully at. Themselves, because that’s not how America does stuff. We’re not the Taliban, we’re not al Qaeda, although some people would argue that we are because we start wars and and all these sorts of things. But that’s certainly not the way to start a conversation, to take up the cause of the poor and the needy and the downtrodden and the helpless among us. We should do it the way Christ did. Not in a twisted Robin Hood sort of way. Taking from the rich, giving to the poor, exacting vengeance, the Lord said vengeance is his. He will repay. Where do we have any right to take the life of someone and send them into eternity? Because we feel like we feel some kind of way. You know, and I don’t think that people who would make that argument have anything to stand on. Unless, of course, they’re coming from the prism of intersectionality. And just the woke ideology altogether. And that just goes to show a perverted heart that would live and believe like that. The Bible says in Romans one. I mean, it’s talking about homosexuality and among other things, but the principle is there people, when you give yourself over to sin that you know, there comes a point where God will give you over to. Your son Pharaoh hardened his heart, and then they came and said where God hardened his heart. If we keep turning our backs and our hearts away from the principles found in God’s word, God is going to give us over to that wokeness give us over to that woke mind virus. Give us over to the Trump derangement syndrome. Give us over to this Robin Hood.
[MCG]
I don’t know about the job to really make the center, but.
[Jay]
Then there, but give us over to this idea that I can kill this guy and start a conversation. I can kill this guy and I’m I’m justified in doing.
[MCG]
Well, no.
[Jay]
So.
[MCG]
Yeah, I would agree. I think it is twisted way I can say yes, he was helping to help lessen the downtrodden. But in truth, as you said, my journey. Is a cold. Brother killer. Absolutely. You know, there are other Ways and Means to get changes in healthcare rather than killing the husband and father because of where he works, because that’s basically happened because we work. Because I can guarantee you united Healthcare.
[Jay]
Absolute.
Hmm.
[MCG]
It’s not that easy. For the CEO to make changes, especially when it comes to profit and loss, you know their political means, their means of the free market, you know.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Jay]
But see, no one single person can do that, though that takes people.
[MCG]
Well, that’s true. But I’m saying there’s political means as well, right? You know what the government can step in and again, do we want? The government will step in into this? I don’t know. But their means out there, you know, how about this man? Junior decides to start this whole health insurance. Company because it seems like he come from a rich enough family, he. Could have that you’d have. Had the resources to maybe, maybe how about if he had run for elected office and championed for the change? It will take him a bit longer. Well, I don’t know if what he did is going to make any change at all, but if he had done start his own insurance company, maybe he would come around and understand why Brian Thompson and you know Healthcare decided that. Hey, we need to make a profit, but maybe he could have started a non profit health insurance company where the goal is not-for-profit but to to help people and maybe through that maybe you can have an NGO with the government funded out, I don’t know. But I was just thinking that there are the means. Thought that he probably could have explored and say, hey, you know what, before I kill someone and potentially go to jail for the rest of my life, which you’re no help to nobody behind bars, that your own insurance company run for elected office. You know, it’s socialized, minister. The answer, as I said earlier, I came from a country where we have socialized medicine. I’m not sure. I wouldn’t say that’s the answer. No.
[Jay]
What about Daniel Penny? He was the cause of the death. We should say of Jordan Neely. Jordan Neely was oppressed and downtrodden and helpless. Doesn’t that make him?
[MCG]
A zero? Well, I think that’s a different argument there because, you know, you can’t make the argument that Daniel Penny was helping the helpless under downtrodden. Because there were people on that train that was in fear for their life, that was full of fear and jet because of Jordan Neely. So you can say, make an argument that he was doing that to help that place. Obviously, he didn’t need it. Any help because he or guess not single handedly, but almost signally take on Jordan Neely. It was the woman and their. Kids on the train that would not have been able to help himself. He clearly can’t help himself. Mm-hmm. You know, so. But at the end of the day, you know? Going back to the thought like felt here. Go to Cuba, go to Venezuela. They have socialized healthcare. I don’t one thing that I want to emphasize do is that because I think that they are overlooking something that is very important. Fidel Castro had very good health care. I can guarantee that, but I can guarantee that others, his minions or his subjects maybe didn’t. That have and this is my point, the Bujji is always going to have better health care than the policy rate. It always gonna be the case. The rich is always going to have better of whatever than anybody else. I’m gonna guarantee you that King Charles have the best doctors and the best whatever available to him that is in the UK. Then the average UK citizen. And you can make the argument that UK is a perfect example because they have socialized. But I can guarantee you that King Charles have better medicine and better care than the average person in England. I can guarantee that the Prime Minister of England has better health care than their average person in England. I can guarantee you that even in the US that President Trump has better health care than me. And we’ll get better service then. Me and we don’t have socialized health care because look at it even in this country where the fact that if you can pay for it, yeah, you’re gonna get it. I can guarantee that’s the same for Canada. Canada has socialized healthcare as well. But I can guarantee you the upper class in Canada, the people in the government, the Prime Minister of Canada, would have better health care than the average Canadian citizen. You always gonna be the booth. She’s gonna. I was gonna have better so they can preach for it all they want, but it’s not gonna happen because their ruling class is never going to give up their privilege. They’re just going to make more people. Or, you know, poor or whatever the case may be. So let me ask you though, are the effects of men like Tanya Mangini indicative of the cultural failure of the church?
[Jay]
OK, failure of the church in that perhaps the prevailing narrative after these men were, you know, put through the justice system, that we would even allow for Mangione to be praised and exalted and lionized and all that. While Penny was, of course, shunned, and that’s a. Cultural failure of the church, I’d say, but there’s also an angle of, you know, the church is called to perform charity, and if you have. Healthcare companies like the United Healthcare, would that indicate a failure of the charity of the church? I think it’s a lot more complicated than that. I think there’s so many things that go into the American healthcare system and the health of Americans now, I don’t think we can pin that on the church. But as far as the culture. Conversation afterward, after these men were caught by police, and then Penny went through the legal ringer and mansion is about to go through our reaction to it. I can for sure lay at least some of the blame at the feet of the church.
[MCG]
Yeah, I would agree. I don’t think necessarily I will say is a feeling of the church and kind of say yes and no. I think there’s a domino effect and eventually we’ll get to the church, but I wouldn’t necessarily start at the church in the sense that of course. There’s. Society culture is at war here in the US they can target is a spiritual war and you can see the spiritual war. And then that will lead back to the church. He can go back.
[Jay]
Sure.
[MCG]
To the removal from prayer and God from the schools and all that stuff is a ripple effect of their sliding society. As we slide from accepted to you know, fully going into accepted 17 kind of a culture where human life is not valid as it should be and people are. Entitled and want stuff that they didn’t work for, or whatever the case may be. Again, I’m not here to defend necessarily health insurance because I already explained my runnings with them and of course it’s not. Is gruesome as some people, some people people, have died because health insurance didn’t do what they should do and hospitals stop giving care and stuff like that. And I’ve seen people going through the medical system without health insurance and the hospital and the nurses do the minimum and they will send home people when they shouldn’t be sent home. I can remember when. Second Son was born. I actually went through the explanation of benefits and all that stuff and all the charges that worked off, and I think you were in the hospital for about 5 nights when our second son were born. Yeah. And for each night you stayed in the hospital, it was about $5250. That was built, of course, that didn’t come down to us because we have that insurance, but I’m simply saying $5000 per night. Again, you know, I don’t know why it has to be that expensive, but if you didn’t have health insurance, that would have been all billed, it would be over $25,000 just for the hospital stay. No.
[Jay]
That doesn’t include the medical intervention and and he of of all our kids he required more and that would have.
[MCG]
That doesn’t include every other things. Been even that didn’t include any other thing that just the hospital thing.
[Jay]
Yeah. Wow.
[MCG]
Of course we had. I don’t remember what his insurance we had then, but for most part, all of that were covered. I don’t think we paid much because. Was all deductible, was whatever he was then. But I’m just saying, if the health insurance can negotiate and get that $5000 down to $200 per night, why is it that the hospital doesn’t charge you $200 per night? I don’t think. I don’t think it’s just health insurance. I think it’s also the providers as well, meaning the medical provider.
[Jay]
MHM.
[Jay]
There’s money to be made. Right.
[MCG]
Hospitals and the clinics and the doctor’s offices. OK, have a problem with them making their money. I’m not simply saying if you look at the explanation of benefits and stuff like that, yeah, there’s a price for when you have insurance. There’s a price when you don’t have insurance. And I’m simply saying there’s something going on here. Things can be changed. I just.
[Jay]
Yeah. Yeah.
[MCG]
Don’t think is the way he went about doing it, is the way to do it. Of course. Again, he’s a. Murderer and.
[Jay]
Point blank, by the way, point blank mangione’s, a murderer allegedly alleged he hasn’t gone through yet, right?
[MCG]
Right. Allegedly because you have been covered but but The thing is, is this feeling of the church? I don’t know. It can say the feel of society. And if you’re gonna say is a fear of society, you can eventually reach the church through that. Because why is society failing? Because maybe Christians that are being taught on light that they should be.
[Jay]
Well, I mean, some Christians have already begun to address this problem by doing this. What is it called? The crowd sharing or?
[MCG]
The yeah. Stuff like Christian Healthcare ministries and stuff like that.
[Jay]
There’s an exactly there’s an alternative to using healthcare. There. So there are some people addressing the issue. Is it enough? Does it address the corruption and the waste and all that stuff that we just discussed in the American healthcare system? That’s up for debate, but some Christians are doing something.
[MCG]
Right. Well, who would you say is the hero and who is the hero in this? I think you’re ready.
[Jay]
Yeah, I think we. Yeah. Penney’s the hero, no doubt about it. I agree with divine Miranda Devine on this. Penny is the hero, Mangione is the 0. Even if you were to make the argument that penny is here because he held on to that choke way too long and it caused the death of Jordan nearly fine, that’s a conversation to be had. But he was doing it to protect the lives of the people that nearly threatened on that subway car. And. Mangione simply did allegedly did it.
[MCG]
Vigilante.
[Jay]
Yes. So to me, there’s no question here who the here and the zero are. What do you think?
[MCG]
I fully agree. I think, as I said, my journey is a cold blooded killer, so Mangione is definitely a big zero. Yeah. And so if I have to choose a hero would definitely be penny.
[Jay]
What do you think will happen when he goes through trial? Do you think that it’s going to well, I think. It will obviously be a media circus.
[MCG]
Yeah, it’s definitely a media circus, but I remember I predicted that Penny was going to be released and you kind of disagree what we did that episode with Jordan Neely as sold for which Christ.
[Jay]
Ohh yeah.
[MCG]
Right.
[Jay]
MHM.
[MCG]
I did some further research and found out that over 75% of the population of New York used them subway in some way. Mm-hmm. I’m looking at that you can understand because I think 5 of the jurors on there, they actually use the metro. And if you use a metro anytime in New York, you probably have seen something that was a little bit observing or very unnerving. Sure. So I’m not surprised that he was released because. Most of the time, people can identify with that. I don’t see in any way how much money is going to get off because.
[Jay]
Even though people can identify like they put all of their healthcare grievances with Thompson.
[MCG]
Even Even so, I don’t see. The in any way they can justify this because there’s no no one fear or any fine line he can go through, because even if Thompson is guilty of being snake oil salesman and refusing coverage and stuff like that, there are other means for you to get to him.
[Jay]
Hmm.
[MCG]
Mm-hmm.
[MCG]
Then to shoot him in his back so I don’t see how any reasonable jurors say, you know what we’re going to do jury nullification. You did a good deal for society. I can’t see that for Daniel. Penny, I definitely will say I could have seen that because as I said, 75% of people use them subways in some way.
[Jay]
Hmm.
[MCG]
Even if they drive to work when they’re going to lunch or something, they’re going to pick a quick errand. They probably might be best to jump on the subway than to drive in Manhattan. Hmm. So I can see that, but I can’t see Luigi. And I think they’re during the jury selection. Their persecution is probably going to quickly get.
[MCG]
Mm-hmm.
[MCG]
Bit of any fangirl and people that don’t. I don’t see how it’s gonna go. Especially if you get a bunch of wives and mothers on there and they’re going to be playing. The fact that he’s a husband and he’s a father and all this stuff. I don’t see how he gonna get off, but I’ll let Ken Ham close us out with his take on this.
[Ken Ham clip]
Who would have ever thought we’d be living in a time when murderers are considered heroes?
What do you think about Luigi Mangione? Up in there. Care about it because he killed someone. But I can understand part of his.
Reason.
What did you Luisa Mangio do you think? He’s a hero. Yeah, I do think he’s.
A hero, should he be free? Yes. Why? He’s fighting for the people. Come on, let’s.
Go the man of the people, man of the people, the man of the people.
He’s fine the entire school. Walked out in support of Luigi. Kids are all right. That’s amazing.
I suppose in one sense it’s not surprising, since millions of children are murdered in their mother’s wombs, and those who murdered them, the abortionists are considered heroes or heroines. But we now have this particular example of Luigi. Magione who? Shot the CEO of United Healthcare and we have people who are applauding it.
Taking someone’s life is objectively something that’s wrong to do, but he is a hero in my opinion.
And then you have ABC News and the headline was this supporters of suspected CEO killer Luigi Maggioni established Defense Fund, and the article began as New York City prosecutors worked Thursday to bring murder charges against Luigi Maggioni in the brazen killing of United Healthcare. CEO Brian Thompson supporters of the suspect are donating 10s of thousands of dollars for a defense fund. Established for him leaving law enforcement officials worried Mangione is being turned into a martyr. And then politician Elizabeth Warren. She stated this in an interview.
But you can only push people so far, and then they start to take matters into their own. Yeah.
Ohh really. Ohh. In other words, how about in reference to politicians? If somebody said well you politicians can only push us so far. And then we’re gonna eliminate you or something like that. I mean, it’s such an irresponsible statement. It’s interesting that Hannity himself on Fox News said.
Cheering for the murder of an unarmed man is beyond sick.
Well, I agree it’s morally sick, but how can you even say that? You have to believe in an absolute authority to be able to say that, because if there’s no absolute authority, that is God who sets the rules, who decides right and wrong, then how can you say it’s morally sick? Why shouldn’t everyone do whatever he wants to do, after all, and judges 21/2? 25 we’re told when there was no king in Israel, everyone did what is right in his own eyes, and that’s the point. When there’s no absolute authority, everyone does what he thinks is right. In other words, right or wrong is subjective. What’s good or evil is subjective, and in a culture that increasingly has a man and God, man in God’s word thrown. Christianity out of the public education system taught generations of people. There’s no God, you’re just an animal anyway. Then no wonder they think I can do whatever I want to I’ll define right and wrong. However I want. Murder. Murder is OK for me because that’s what I’m. To do, I can define it that way. Why not? It reminds me of Jeremiah 17/9 the hardest to see for above all things and desperately sick. Some translations say desperately wicked who can understand it? Yes, it’s a hard problem. That’s what we need to understand. The gun that was used to murder the CEO. That wasn’t a problem. Knives used to kill people. That’s not the problem. What’s the problem? The problem is people’s hearts. We’re. We have a sin problem and when people let their sin nature rule over them, what happens? They do whatever is right in their own eyes where at a time when we see a verse of scripture that I’ve read many times over the years and thought wow, I can’t imagine a culture being like that. And now today it’s exactly like that. And that’s from Isaiah 520. What are those who call evil good and good? Evil who put darkness for light and light for darkness. We’re seeing that happening in all sorts of ways. And now we’re seeing it happening in. Regard to murder and people calling murder good and those who want to condemn murder. They’re the ones that are bad. I mean, who would have ever thought would be in that situation? But it’s a reminder that the culture is sick. And you know what? You can’t just treat the symptoms. You have to treat the sick. Sickness and the sickness is man’s heart, and until people recognize this is a spiritual issue, we’re not going to be able to deal with all of these things that are happening day after day. We have to understand the true sickness and deal with the sickness. Doctors don’t just want to deal with the symptoms of a disease. They have to get to the root cause and deal with the disease. The root cause is a spiritual issue. And so therefore, whatever we do in our culture, we need to make sure that we understand ultimately, we have to be pointing people to the truth of God’s word in the saving gospel and see a heart change from the sick heart because of sin to 1 regenerated. By the work of the Lord Jesus Christ through what he did on the cross of Calvary and the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives, that’s the solution.
[Jay]
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[MCG]
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