Episode 193

There is no shortage of religions and cults that promise salvation, joy, peace, or happiness. Followers can number in the billions as is the case with Islam, or it could be millions, as is the case with the Branhamists. Branhamism is the curious theology and collection of doctrines espoused by William M. Branham, a self-proclaimed prophet and faith healer. On today’s episode of the Removing Barriers podcast, we sit down with recurring guest Leopold to discuss all the tenets of this cult: its history, its leader, and its followers (many of whom persist today despite the evidence). Leopold runs the ministry Edimof, dedicated to teaching biblical truth and exposing false religions. Let us evaluate Branhamism by the Word of God, prayerfully trusting the Lord to remove all the barriers this cult creates to keep people from having a clear view of the cross.

[Leopold]

You need to believe in the message which William Branham brought, OK? So, in addition to believing the gospel OK, you need to also believe what you call the message. The message meaning. He received a special revelation. OK, which is reporting in all his sermons. As the Elijah of the last day who’s preparing the second coming of Jesus Christ.

[Jay]

Thank you for tuning into the Removing Barriers podcast. I’m Jay and I’m MCG. And we’re attempting to remove barriers, so we can all have a clear view of the cross.

[MCG]

This is episode 193 of the Removing Barriers podcast, and this is the 6th in the series of what do you believe? And in this episode, we’ll be looking at what those who follow William Branham believe.

[Jay]

Hi, this is Jay. MCG and I would like for you to help us remove barriers by going to removing barriers net and subscribing to receive all things, removing barriers. If you’d like to take your efforts a bit further and help us keep the mics on, consider donating at: removingbarriers.net/donate. Removing Barriers, a clear view of the cross.

[MCG]

And joining us in this episode is Ministere Edimof. Leopold, it is a pleasure and welcome back to the Removing Barriers podcast.

[Leopold]

Thank you, MCG and Jay for having me again in this podcast.

[MCG]

Yeah, definitely, brother. So a couple months ago you started a series on your personal YouTube channel discussing William Branham. So after listening to a couple of the videos, I reach out to you and say hey, once you’re done with your series, you need to come on over and do an episode with us because I’ve never heard of William Branham. I’m sure many. Folks have never heard of him. So let us start out by telling us firstly about your YouTube channel. Then tell us who.

[Leopold]

All right. So first of all, I run this ministry called. It’s a ministry. It’s a discernment ministry which basically cater to the French speaking world in general, because having grown up into a French speaking country. I felt the need. The Lord is calling me to reach out to that whether they are Muslim, whether they are, you know, professing Christians. Eight years. But in that world, you know. And so we do a lot of videos in French, but also we do have some videos in English, you know, related to different subject Muslims, Islam. The Java witnesses a different number of, I would say Christian cult, what I call Christian cult and trying to expose those so people know a little bit more about these different groups claiming to be Christians. But really trying to find out what they really teach regarding Christianity.

[MCG]

Who would a Brandon miss?

[Leopold]

Yes. So I started like you mentioned because I have met in the past several years people who claim in the United States here, by the way, who claim to be branomas. So several years ago, I did not know much about them. I simply heard about the name. But in the past few years, I basically educated myself around what they are teaching. So I went to do some research online and got a couple of books. Some of his biography, official biography of William Branham and then a number of sources, basically documenting his life and also his teaching, and as a result I felt the need also to reach out to, you know, many of these people that I came across with in the United. States and also in Africa. As I travel to different parts of Africa, especially in central Africa, and then. Eastern Africa, where you have quite a sizeable number of branum and even in India, by the way, couple of years ago I traveled to India and interestingly, I run into a church. I didn’t know they call it church. I went there. I start hearing about William Branham and things like. So the idea of really researching it came about after I came across, you know, through my own life and journey. And that’s how I started this series because I. Need to really reach out to those folks around the world whether they speak French or English, but with the teaching and what William Branham left as a legacy.

[Jay]

Cool. Oi, don’t know whether to call them the branomites or the branamists, but it’s OK, OK.

[Leopold]

I call them Brandon Mist, actually. Brandon mist yeah.

[Jay]

So there’s this man. From what I understand now, I am coming at this as a complete noob. I have never even heard this man’s name before. But apparently he was. Somebody I. And. My question is. People who to this day that call themselves branimus in spite of perhaps his teachings being brought to light to see how unbiblical they are. They still hold onto it. What’s their logic for? Do they consider themselves to be Christians?

[Leopold]

Absolutely you.

[Jay]

Huh.

[Leopold]

So when William Branham and we’re going to come back to the history to how he was born and a number of things that I would like to share.

[Jay]

OK.

[Leopold]

So when he passed away in 1965, he died on December 24th, just on the eve of Christmas. Through a car accident. Where he was with his wife and I think his daughter and maybe his son and they survived. But he passed away. And many sect came out of that. So he had a main organization.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

And now, for instance, unlike the Jehovah witnesses, where you have a central, you know, authority, which is basically controlling everything and spreading their own words throughout the world, William Randall has a main church in Jeffersonville where his hometown. But they have multiple sets and they don’t teach the same thing. They have different leaders and that’s how basically the organization was developed. So you have to this day as I was saying about between 2 million to 4 million people around the world.

[MCG]

Oh wow. Wow.

[Leopold]

Who believe the teaching of William. And by the way, they’re called the message message follower and we’ll come back to that meaning of what they call the message because. Supposedly William Branham brought into this world. The message that Christian was supposed to, you know, hear. And adhere to or, you know basically obey because he’s the last prophet that God has sent. To this world.

[MCG]

Oh wow.

[Leopold]

And that’s why he treated, you know, Christians in general major denomination, whether you’re Catholic Orthodox. Protestant evangelical. He considered them to have the. Of the. So anybody who’s affiliated with this official, I would say denomination is part of the mark of the beast, whereas if you belong to the message, which is what he’s preaching.

[Jay]

Mm.

[Leopold]

You are basically the bride of Christ, and we’ll come back to that. Teach that you’re going to be rapture. You will be the only one who will be rapture, and he’s the Prophet, the last Prophet who is sent by God to deliver. The message of end. Basically, he’s the Elijah and will also talk about. He’s Elijah of the last day and he referred himself to Malachi.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Leopold]

Chapter 4 and we’ll talk about it just to, but just as an introduction. He’s referring to Malachi 4, verse 5, where it is, say, Elijah will come in the last days. And he claimed that. Right. And he even made claim of date like being God Incarnate. I’ll give you some reference and some of the people who believe in him do believe he was a God Incarnate in the flesh.

[Jay]

Oh brothers. Wow.

[Leopold]

That’s the kind of teaching he has.

[MCG]

Well. Why don’t we get in some of the history of, you know? The Branimis, who was William Branham and all that stuff I knew touching it a little bit, but give us the full history.

[Leopold]

Yes. So he has a very interesting history. He was born officially. That’s why I am going to distinguish between official, let’s say teaching or what the official church which is to this day exists in Jeffersonville in Indiana. That’s where his headquarter is. And. He was born officially April 6th, 1909 in Kentucky, by the way, in rural Kentucky, in a small town called Burksville. In Kentucky, and that’s where he say he grew up. But a lot of recent evidence is proving otherwise, and I’ll talk about it so. But I want to start with his official teaching, which the church at Jeffersonville and all those claim to be branims believe, right? So he was born a special birth. Supposedly he received a light when he was born in a small cabin in rural Kentucky. There was a light that came through the window where his grandma. Gave birth to him. I mean, by being the midwife. However, and when the grammar was giving birth to him, a light came from the window. When the grammar opened the windows, as soon as he was born, a light came and was revolving around the bed where he was. Born and some version of that as saying, then that light was there, maybe for a couple of hours. Or the version that saying he stayed there for two days. So throughout our discussion today, you will notice that he has. Multiple. Version of the. That already should caught our attention. If somebody claims to be a man of God, we should have some consistency throughout, right? Not going to see the prophet Jeremiah or the prophet Ezekiel. Say one thing. And somewhere else the same story with a completely different set of event around that story. And then he grew up like. And after three years, he received an Angel visitation. What is the three-year? And the Angel told him your parents are going to move from Kentucky to Jeffersonville in Indiana three years. Notice that now when I look at the parallel between what we have in the Bible, we don’t see any instance where a three-year old God is appearing to him. And we have so many great prophets throughout the Bible, but we don’t have. But William Branham claimed to be that special person who received that at seven years old. He receive another revelation from God, and then the family moved from Kentucky to Jeffersonville. And he grew up in a family. He say his parents were poor. But again, those claim of poverty do not line up with some of the fact that people who are part of this movement, who came out of it, and that’s where they reveal a lot of these. And I want to talk about two guys who actually, I learned a lot. Because they have a podcast and it’s available, you can check it out. They have a series of video. These are former brand names from Jeffersonville. One of them was an assistant pastor to the second largest Branham his church in Jeffersonville. The other one was the grandson of the pastor, who succeeded William Branham. So these two guys, when they came out of the movement, they brought a lot of this information out and their website. Can give you at the end. One of them is history, William Branham historical research or something like that. And the second guy wrote a book. Actually I have it right here in front of me, this book which say come out of her my people.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

Is the pastor, the assistant pastor of the largest random mix church in Jeffersonville? His name is Charles Paisley. And very well documented book. So I use this as a reference for a lot of my video just to, you know, get a little bit more information about him, about his teaching. And he has a website also called Christian Gospel. Church. Something like that. And you can have a lot of resources references you know about his teaching. So William Branham then grew up in Jeffersonville. He was not a Christian. His parents were not Christian. His. His name was Charles Runner and he was involved in the sale of liquor, right? They were selling liquor, but you know at that time there was a law which had forbidden making liquor, producing liquor. Indian and I think in the number.

[MCG]

What’s your name? Moonshine. Exactly.

[Jay]

Moonshine making moonshine? Yeah. Yeah.

[Leopold]

And you know, so they’re doing it illegally. And they were selling it to the mob, which is in Chicago and Al Capone.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

Know those gangs who are there? Dad was working with a wealthy man in Jeffersonville. Who was producing this liquor and selling it? So William Branham grew up doing that, getting involved in those activities. Activities. But when he described those things, he always described it in a deceitful manner, because he would always say his parents were poor. They lived in rural Kentucky. When we look at the fact they moved at least. From wherever they were born. Early enough in Jeffersonville in the city. And they were involved in that sale and production of liquor, which probably gave them some money. And as a result of getting involved in those illegal activities is that. Yeah. And that was around 1924, OK, remember, he was born in 1909 and around 1924, his dad went to jail. And. And he did mention, I think in some of his sermons, by the way, he produced over his lifetime. Over 1000 sermons. They’re all available. I believe you can have access to them and their books that he has translated because he had a newspaper or magazine where he was basically promoting all his activities. Killing revival and we’ll come back to that. A second. So he was involved with his dad. His dad went to jail. And there were some newspaper that reported he got shot in his leg. OK and he was hospitalized. That’s what is around 1924. He was still not a Christian at that time. Now he did not say clearly the reason why, or at least he misled people about the reason behind him being shot. Why he was. Because he used to lie. How do you call it again? How can I forget the word you know when you go to the forest and trying to how do? Cook that again. Hunting. Yeah, I had the French word. He used to love hunting. OK, so he said. It’s during his hunting activities that he got shot. But that is not true. When we recoup all the facts. Newspaper are showing all that. It’s because he was involved in this criminal activities of illegal production and sale of liquor. So with those gangs and all that, somebody shoot him in his two legs and as a matter of fact, in his official birth certificate official one. You will see. He was now born in 1909. Come back to that. And it’s mentioned his. His full name, his real name, and indicating he has two like scars in his leg and that’s related to him being shot. And one interesting fact about that while he was in hospitalized in his early teens, right. Was probably 1516. He could not pay the hospital bill. And guess who paid the hospital bill?

[Jay]

The mafia.

[Leopold]

The Ku Klux Klan.

[Jay]

Oh wow.

[Leopold]

Now, yes, and we’ll come back to that because he was associated somehow with them, but never officially came out to say clearly.

[MCG]

Hmm.

[Leopold]

But we were able to find it. These are some of the records. Why would the glucose gland pay his hospital? Because his dad being in jail, you know his mom not working and all his brother, he’s the oldest, by the way. He was the oldest. He had to take care of the rest of the family, but the Cuckoo’s Club, interestingly. Pay for his hospital bill that will bring me to another point in his teaching. There is something we call British Israelism. Which he was somehow teaching, and he had this special teaching called the Serpent Seed. Teaching. And again, we’ll come back to. I don’t want to develop too much on that, but it’s associated with. This ideology that he was developing, of the superiority of the white race against all the other race. So 1 aspect here to notice. Now after that incident because. He was chased by the Krukusan. He ran away out of Jeffersonville, and for some years we don’t know. He claims he went to Arizona. But some record are showing he did not go to Arizona. Went somewhere else for a couple of years. The question is why would he move from Jeffersonville? Because there was some issue with the crocuser, some of the heads of the Crocs are basically were. There was an internal. Them and he left Jeffersonville for a couple of years and only returned in 1929. You notice it’s five years later, right? In 1929, he came back to Jeffersonville. Because his younger brother. Died. So he came to the funeral to attend the funeral. OK. And now, in his sermon. He will refer to that to say that he came back to Jeffersonville because his brother passed away, but he does not give the detail why did his brother pass away? And we got that information from some of these guys investigate and found out. His brother was also involved in some gang activities and he stole a car and he was caught and I think he got injured or hurt or shot. Something and then after sometime he passed away from that.

[Jay]

None.

[Leopold]

But he never specifically say that’s the reason why his brother died again. To tell you that William Branham throughout his life had this tendency of hiding certain truth. And you wonder why? Well, as we expose his life, you come to realize why he’s doing that and coming back to his name. He was born according to record official records. First of all, in 1908, but his official biography say he is 1909. OK.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

And he was born as William Marvin Branham not as well. Middle name was Marvin. He changed that middle name to Marion. Now officially right now when you look at the official documents of those who were brought. Economist they call him William Marion Branham. And there’s the reason why he changed his name. Changed his birth date. He changed his middle name. Why? Because again, he claimed to be the Elijah of the last days. The last prophet that God has sent basically to prepare the second coming of Jesus Christ. OK, so why did he change his middle name?

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

He’s claiming the prophet Abraham. Right when you take the name of Abraham, you have 7 letters, OK? OK, that make him a true prophet because the number 7 is a number of completeness, perfection, etcetera. We know in the scripture we have those references. So he. Because Abraham also was 7 letters him. Branham. All his names will be. Let so William if you check it out, it’s 7 letters. Branham is also 7 letters. Marvin is not 7 letters. Is what 6 letters.

[Jay]

6 letters.

[Leopold]

So he changed it to Marion with a double R. So that make it a 7. So all these first, middle and last name now became 7 letters as a test. That he is a true prophet of. But again, I’m not gonna even come back to that because. This is a really bad claim. Bad argument to use because first of all, Abraham is an English name. The Jewish name doesn’t have 7 letters. Argument second thing you take. Moses is a true prophet of God. He does not have 7 letters in his name.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

So just these two arguments should destroy anything that, but in his sermon you’re going to see him. Blaming to the status of Alfred, like Abraham because he had 7 letters, him also all his name had 7 letters. So that’s one example on the site. Thing the date of birth William Brandon claimed he was born in 1908, sometime 1907, sometime 1909. And why? Several explanation. First of all, remember he was shot on the legs when he was like 16 around those age and. He raised his age to 1909 so he can escape the justice because they were going to jail him or something because he was underage. Changed his name so he can escape. Let’s say the justice. That’s one possible explanation. Another year he gave was 1908. Why? Because he said he was born the next day. That a previous prophet so-called Prophet also his name was John. Alexander Dow. John Alexander dowry was the pioneer of. This movement, called British Israelism OK. He’s from Scotland. He migrated to the United States in the early 1900. Maybe before like in 18 something he migrated from Australia by the way, to the United States. And he started this movement of trying to return to the original apostles. Right. They call it that movement like. Movement and he’s claiming, you know, he’s a face healer and he’s one of the precursor of the word face movement.

[Jay]

Mm.

[Leopold]

John Alexander Dave and William Branham participated also in that and influenced a number of these world faced preachers in America, like Kenny Hagen. We’ll come back to those TL Osborne oral Rober. Robert A. Allen. A number of these guys. Who were part of led scholarly the second wave of Pentecostalism, and they call it the latter, rain. The latter rain movement where they had starting from, let’s say, late 30s, Forties, Fifties, 60s.

[Jay]

Hmm.

[Leopold]

They had this wave of Pentecostalism where they develop a number of ideologies, or if you want doctrines, and William Branham was one of the leading figure in the Second World War. Way now the first wave, if you remember in the early 1900, you had these Azusa St. Movement where they start speaking in tongue again. Restoration wanted to go back to the original apostle. At the pentacles, when the Holy Spirit would pour out into all the apostles, the disciples, and they start speaking in tongues. They wanted that revival. And there was this movement which started in 1906. In Los Angeles here. To 1915 and that’s where this talk movement developed in the United States and spread around the world.

[MCG]

Hello.

[Leopold]

So that’s the first wave of Pentecostalism. OK, William Branham now is part of the second wave, which they call Lateran movement. Know the Toronto blessing and all these where they start, you know invoking. Speed and you know, doing all kinds of craziness. William Brown was at the forefront of that second movement with all those guys that I mentioned. So now coming back to John Alexander, David that I mentioned earlier, John Alexander Darwin. Started this movement where he’s trying to. He created a city called Zion City in Chicago.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

He moved from San Francisco, where he actually how can I call it? He actually ripped off some members of his organization. He had a vision organization there and they sue him and his reputation were torn out in San Francisco. He had to move from there to. To move to another city, Chicago. OK, he created this city, called Zion City in Chicago. Don’t know if it still exists to this day, but he created. In the late 800 beginning of 20th century, and what was that movement again? Want to restore Christianity in America and? You know, 2 Christian living in the city that he created and. How did you do it? He asked his followers to contribute by giving some money. So he can buy some land in Chicago and he used that to buy land. And now what happened? He created a scheme really clever scheme where he asked those people, he said. This is the city of God and we’re going to implement some Christian, I would say way of life, you understand.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

And people start flocking over. 20,000 people left their home wherever they were living in. From all over the United States, Canada and maybe overseas to move to that Zion City in Chicago.

[MCG]

Oh.

[Jay]

The quick note, it’s actually still.

[Leopold]

Yeah, really.

[Jay]

Zion City in Lake County, Illinois, population 24,655, established by the Scots, Australian Evangelical Minister John Alexander. Dewey. So it’s still there to this day, yes.

[Leopold]

Exactly. It’s still there now. Can you imagine? Interestingly, now what did he do? He asked. People. Followers. He. When you come move to that city because he bought the land, they’re going to build their home there and he’s going to give them a, you know, a mortgage. He bought a land. But they could not have the title deed on the land. Was the. So basically you give your money.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

He give you a portion of that land so you can come and live there, build your home, and you keep paying mortgage. He set up the mortgage like for 1000 year and guess why he set it for.

[Jay]

Oh my goodness.

[Leopold]

Because of the Millennium, he was saying. He’s the Elijah of the last day. Like Branham is gonna claim after him. He say he’s the Elijah of the last day.

[Jay]

Mm.

[Leopold]

Malachi he’s fulfilling Malachi 4-5 and he asked people to move there because. The end time is. He was so obsessed with the end time. That he created that and he told them so. You’re going to leave the Millennium and you’re going to keep paying. Don’t have to worry about anything so long as you pay your mortgage for that 1000 years. He accumulated over, and these are estimates. I think they say at least over 50 or $200 million at that time.

[Jay]

Oh my goodness.

[Leopold]

A lot of money. And guess what? After few years in 1905, he died of a sudden stroke. OK, as soon as he died, the organization crumble, and people who invested a lot because not only they bought their property.

[MCG]

Hello.

[Leopold]

They start paying every month this mortgage. They depleted all their savings. And many of them went bankrupt when he died.

[Jay]

Hmm.

[Leopold]

So his organization now, what happened? Some of the leaders who are in the Pentecostal movement at that time, there is this guy called Charles Parram. And John G lake. These are also leaders in the faith movement. They also part of this. Positive. Word of Faith movement. Dear God, a precursor. So what they did because they knew. How we left a lot of wealth, so they rushed to try to capture that organization. So John G Lake was one of those. And then Charles Parram as well and they pursued that organization.

[MCG]

Emma.

[Leopold]

All the people came later on. You have FF. These are also Pentecostal, who work closer with William Branham and William Branham now. He say John Alexander Darwin before he died, he made a prophecy. He say 40 years from the time he was doing that prophecy like, which was before he died. He said they will arrive. Is another Elijah OK? Who’s gonna fulfill? What Malachi 4-5 is saying now, William Branham claim he is that Elijah, that John Alexander Derry had prophesied and because of that because John Alexander Darwin died, if I’m not mistaken.

[Jay]

Hmm.

[Leopold]

March 7, 1907, March 71907 now. That William Branham now claimed. He was born the next day. John Alexander Davy died because he want to say he is the disciple of John Alexander Darwin, and he’s the one who replaced him. And 40 years as a matter of fact, after that, after his death, he came to the same city Z. For healing revival, saying that this is fulfilled when he went to Chicago to do a healing revival. And we’ll come back to his healing ministry. All the things he talks about. So now again, I’m still at the birth of William Branham. He said he was born in 1909, officially, but then the reason why he was born in 1907.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

Because John Alexander Darwin died March 7th, 1907. So he said he was born the next day. That’s why he used 1907 as one of his birthday. He also used 1908 as his birthday. And 19 oh. Another reason for claiming these different birth year is because remember I mentioned the Pentecostal movement, the 1st wave with the Azusa Street, where they start speaking in tongues and all these things.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

That was in 1906 all the way to 1915, he said. He was born right at the beginning of this pontoon movement, and he’s saying he’s a last prophet. He’s the prophet that God has sent in this age and that Pentecostal wave is the beginning of the new era. Why he was born. You know in 1908, OK, so he’s giving all these different day misleading people having contradictory. Why? He’s trying to prove he’s a. Of God. To say that all these events line up, and by the way, he consulted a medium spirit. He consulted those medium, those those psychics who told him he had a special birth.

[MCG]

Psychics.

[Leopold]

And there is a star. You know, when he was born, the star line up or things like. So William Branham as a result, he believed that and he also changed his birth date based on what that psychic told him about his birth. And all the special thing he was going to do in his life. So that’s the beginning of William Branham. Now coming back to his conversion. He became a Christian before becoming a pastor. Remember, he came back to Jeffersonville in 1929. When his brother passed away, he did not give the reason for his brother passing away.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

And then that’s when he saved, for the first time. Pray OK, for the first time, he prayed. And he said there is a light. Again, all his life there is light appearing to. Visions Angel coming to him and he said that light after he pray led him to the church. A1 Church in Jeffersonville. Led by a pastor called Roy E Davis and notice that name Roy E Davis, I was telling you earlier that William Brown claimed that he was born in rural Kentucky, right?

[MCG]

Mm. Mm.

[Leopold]

So this pastor Roy E Davis. Lived in Texas, who was from Texas, and it seemed some record as saying that he was also from Texas. But again, to give this image of being a prophet that God took somebody who’s, you know, humble, beginning from rural Kentucky and elevate him to the status of Prophet for the whole world. Some evidence is pointing to the fact that he knew this, pastor Roy E Davis from Texas, because their family were friends or neighbors or somet. And there is a town in Texas called Burksville, the same name as the town he was born in Kentucky works with. So not his name. So he now that light led him. So that church, founded by Roy E Davis and notice who Roy E Davis is Roy Davis. He’s a. He’s a Pentecostal pastor. But he was a criminal. First of all, he was in the crook ska. He was recruiting members from his own church to be part of. Crocus club. And not only that, he was involved in prostitution.

[MCG]

Oh wow.

[Leopold]

He got caught having, you know, sexual intercourse with a minor. At that time, remember this is the 1900 where there was a law and during the segregation time, first of all. Getting involved in these sexual prostitution was illegal and also moving from state to. So what he was doing was taking those young girls from, I think, I don’t know, one state bringing them into Indiana and getting involved with them. While at the same time he was married.

[MCG]

Hmm.

[Leopold]

When he was going to different revival, you know, healing. Not healing, but. More like preaching the Gospels to different. That’s when he was involved in those practice. He had an official wife in Texas, if I’m not mistaken, but he was living in Jeffersonville and also, it seems a second wife in Georgia. And while having those two official wife is involved in and he got arrested. In Jeffersonville at his church while officiating the church service, the police came in to catch him because he was involved with that minor. Which was a crime. And multiple Azer crime he was accused of stealing cars, robbing people of their money, et cetera, et. He went to jail at least more than six or seven times to jail in and out he was, and of course being involved with the Crocus clan. They were. They were helping him get out, you know, from time to time, from jail.

[MCG]

Right.

[Leopold]

So this is the pastor now, William Branham. Was converted into that church.

[Jay]

Mm.

[Leopold]

That was his first pastor, and he doesn’t deny. In his sermon, he mentioned this guy, but he doesn’t talk about. Criminal activity that this guy was involved. Now you will see that after the police caught this guy, the pastor he was at. He managed to turn that church to becoming his own church. After some years because he was running away from police from the justice system by going from state to state, he could not stay in Jeffersonville. In the meantime, William Branham and other people who are members of that church with part of the elders, et cetera. And that’s where. Met his first wife, by the way, and we’ll talk about also his first wife. He became Christian in that church, he. The light that he saw led him to the Church of Roy Davis. If it’s a Church of Jesus Christ who is godly man. Do you think the Holy Spirit is going to lead him to a church? There is a criminal who is. Leading the organization and getting involved in all these things, being in jail, in and out.

[MCG]

Right.

[Leopold]

Definitely not. But that’s how he say he got converted and he met his wife there and he was ordained as a pastor by that same Roy Davis. And I don’t think he denied, even in his sermon he mentioned it. But he doesn’t give us. Full picture. Of what was involved with those group he was with.

[Jay]

None.

[Leopold]

And we will come back to his teaching regarding salvation and we will find out that he does not really understand what Christianity is, even though in many of his sermon he claims here and there. But we will see his own declaration because I don’t want to use something that comes from my mouth. Are record through his sermon. I’ll give you a few examples on that. So this is his conversion life story, OK? And after some years, he took control of the church. He started the Jeffersonville church. Is actually the headquarter of branhamism around the world. That’s the same church, and he claimed to have founded that church in 1933. I will come back to that year. Because he claimed to have received. Vision in 1933 of seven prophecies OK7 prophecy. And we’ll come back to those prophecy as well. What he said. And a lot of contradictions throughout his years. About the 7th prophecy, he claimed he received them in 1933, right from an Angel. He wrote them down in a yellow piece of paper and he buried them in the cornerstone of the church. That is right now in Jeffersonville, that’s where he said. Where it was. And notice what happened when he passed away in 1965 through that car accident. First of all, everybody was expecting to resurrect because that’s what he’s been teaching. Because he is the Elijah of the last day, he need to resurrect so Christ can come back and rapt his church. They were waiting for him to rapture after he died on the road from Texas to come back to Jeffersonville, he passed away. And. They were hoping he’s gonna resurrect. That never happened. And until April, they kept the body until April. He died in December. They kept his body until April. Expecting he’s going to resurrect as he has promised them, that never happened, they end up burying him in April now.

[Jay]

When you say kept his body like, kept him on ice or something or.

[Leopold]

Some ice or something where they were hoping he’s going to resurrect all his followers.

[Jay]

So it took them four months to realize maybe he’s not coming back. Then they finally buried him. Wow.

[Leopold]

And they finally bury him. Yes. And guess what, when they bury. Obviously, many people who were in the movement in what they call the message movement, they left because they realized this guy is a false prophet because he claimed he was going to, you know, they will all be rapture.

[MCG]

Alright.

[Leopold]

Obviously he was going to resurrect that never happened.

[Jay]

I’m sorry. Can I just ause and hear and interject for a second? So do you have a guy whose father was a moonshiner bootlegger involved in prostitution?

[Leopold]

Yeah.

[Jay]

Involved in steal cars, cars.

[Leopold]

Back up.

[Jay]

Connected with the Mafia and everything. And you’ve got all of these. Being led to a church that was led by a cul. I mean, so many red flags and what finally tipped people off that this guy was a false teacher.

[Leopold]

Exactly. Doing the five pictures.

[Jay]

Was the fact that he didn’t get back up after he died?

[Leopold]

After he died and guess.

[Jay]

That’s funny.

[Leopold]

Despite all these things, there are many other things that he did, but you still have people who are following him to this day. That’s how the devil is so powerful that he can.

[Jay]

My goodness. That’s how strong the delusion is, right?

[Leopold]

Flush the delusion is that he’s able to mislead people for years and years, despite all the evidence you’re presenting to them.

[MCG]

Wow.

[Leopold]

Yeah. And then now coming back to the corner, something so I was telling you in 1933, he received vision of an Angel, giving him 7 prophecies. And by the way, those seven prophets turn into 18 prophecy because he kept changing or adding.

[MCG]

Alright.

[Leopold]

Here and there and he said he wrote it down when the Angel appeared to him, he wrote it down in a yellow piece of paper. In a Bible he put that and he buried that Bible in the corner stone because he said. This is something that nobody should see, OK? That’s the prototype of a false prophet. If you have received the revelation, you should show everybody so they can see now until he’s dead.

[Jay]

Sure.

[Leopold]

People believe that those prophecy were buried into. His. Which was built according to the fact that the evidence in 1935 notice that he said he received the vision in 1933. But that church did not yet build until 1935. But keep aside this fact. People still believe they have it when he died and they bury him. The first thing some people did was rush to the cornerstone because he even announced there is something else. That is going to come, he called. I think the 3rd pool or something like that that is associated with those prophecies that are buried in the cornerstone people rush to dig that corner. So they dig everywhere. Could not find a single piece of paper. Yet many did not change their mind, and they still try to rationalize, you know, to give some reason. Why, you know, this is the typical of false religion. They will find a way to justify something that is not justifiable, but they will find a way and coming back to the how did he expand basically his new religion that he created? He started. He received a Commission in 1947. OK, 1947. An Angel appeared to him again. Always followed throughout his life. Of a healing Commission where he’s giving a special gift by Almighty God. To heal people. And when the Angel appeared to him, he told him. If you will get people to believe you, notice what the Angel is telling him instead of believing God the Angel is saying if you get people to believe you and if you’re sincere in your prayer, even cancer will not resist you.

[MCG]

Oh wow.

[Leopold]

Anybody with any kind of sickness will? Would be here through your prayer and through the healing gift that I’m going to give you in 1947. There’s a lot of problem with that day because somewhere else in his sermon he’s going to claim he received that gift in 1945. Again, I’m going to leave that aside. But this healing gift is talking about there is multiple attestation evidence from journalists following what he’s claiming he claimed to have resurrected one person in Jeffersonville. Some journalist came around to do investigation. They could not find a spot of somebody who resurrected in his own town, he claimed. And. Killed many people, multiple people, but he using some technique. Like many of these false killer faith healer that we know who claim that they have a special gift from God that he say as Moses receive to sign him. Also bring William Branham God gave him to sign. First sign was the healing sign, OK. And the second sign was what we call the sign to D. Detect the intent and the heart of people their thoughts, right?

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

He’s able to tell you when you just look at you, basically by holding your right hand with his left hand through vibration, and this remind you of what Hinduism. So this is a type of practice. That he was promoting as a healer, so he will put his left hand on your right hand and when there is a vibration, he start to get into trance. And vibrating and through that the spirit is speaking to him and telling him what type of sickness that person has yet. His organization that he put in place. They will get all the information of people who are sick that he will line up ahead of time and as they come in close, these guys are giving him the name, the address wherever they leave, what type of sickness they have and. He’s fooling people to say. Listen, the spirit is telling me you have this kind of sickness where they already gave the information ahead of time and that’s how he was able to mislead many, many people.

[MCG]

And.

[Leopold]

Were rushing from all over. United States, Canada. Even abroad, to come to be healed by William Branham. But the evidence that we have seen so far is devastating. Because he went, for instance, in. One example I can think about, one lady who was diagnosed of cancer in Canada and he was a wife of a pastor and that pastor had invited him for a revival and a healing service in Canada. After the revival service, an ambulance brought his wife. To William Branham, he prayed for that woman, and he pronounced right there in front of the husband in front of another pastor, and he said that woman is healed.

[Jay]

Oh no.

[Leopold]

You can go home, they get excited. Were rejoicing. They flew back to wherever they were leaving one week after just one week, the wife passed away, and even before she passed away, this man was doing a radio broadcast in Canada.

[MCG]

Oh wow.

[Leopold]

And he announced the good news that his wife was ill Can you imagine, Andrea? Then, when the wife passed away, what did he do? Flew back to the pastor, who invited William Branham. And I think it was in Western Canada somewhere and he came to tell the pastor you wouldn’t believe what happened. William Branham? I believe him, he. My wife was proclaimed here because he received that revelation from God. OK. And yet one week later, my wife had passed away.

[Jay]

Hmm.

[Leopold]

Now, Can you imagine what something like that can do to the face of somebody who had put their trust into this man who’s a liar, who is a false prophet claiming to be a man of God? And guess what? Because he professed that he healed that woman, they gave him a lot of money. People said after those healing services, when he declared somebody healed, he would receive a lot of money, OK? And nobody know what he did with that money. OK? Yet he will claim that he’s not into money. He’s here as a servant of God, but yet they discover when he died he had $3,000,000 in his bank account. This is record given by his own daughter, by the way, his own daughter. Believe is still alive, one of the daughter. Who actually they shun from the family because she start revealing some of the secret from the family.

[MCG]

Oh wow.

[Leopold]

Yeah, and they did not like it. And it’s out there on the Internet. These guys that I mentioned earlier, they talk about it and they have even a video of his own daughter giving that testimony, who was actually in that accident, where their dad passed away. She was. There. And she’s giving that testimony that they did not even share the inheritance with her when the father passed away, she went to court to try to get it. They managed to get her out. She’s basically completely sever from the family time because she dare to, you know, to reveal. Some of these so-called secret of the.

[MCG]

Oh wow.

[Leopold]

Anyway, this is the story of William Branham, and he spread around the world. I would say until all the way to India you have people who are branum is in I1 as a matter of fact. At some point there is this leader in India who said he’s the one who replaced William Brown when he passed away. He spent some years. Branham went back to India. Several churches across India and he was claiming also to be a healer. Again a false prophet. He deceived so many people.

[Jay]

Since this false religion has spread all the way to India, is it because William Branham himself traveled to those places? Or is it just people who believed his stuff happened to move there and then it starts its own cancer cell?

[Leopold]

He did travel to India.

[Jay]

OK.

[Leopold]

He did. A member of travel in Europe 1st and in South Africa and India, he’s traveled to all those places. Yeah.

[MCG]

Yeah, let’s go ahead and get some of the core belief. I’m sure you already mentioned a number of them. It seems like he was Pentecostal in. He believed in faith healing. He seemed like he believed that he’s a prophet from God.

[Leopold]

Right.

[MCG]

Got messages from God. What are some other cool beliefs of William Branham and how does?

[Leopold]

OK.

[MCG]

The Branham miss. Square up with the core tenets of Christianity. If you can compare those.

[Leopold]

OK.

[MCG]

Very good.

[Leopold]

First of all, he does not believe in the Trinity now, in his sermons. This is what is contradictory. He will claim that he’s Trinitarian, right? Because he’s facing a crowd of people who believe in the Trinity.

[MCG]

Right.

[Leopold]

But when he with crowd, they don’t believe in the Trinity. Like for instance the Oneness Pentecostal. Those ones don’t believe in the Trinity. Why?

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

Because they believe in how do you call it again, this heresy modelism exactly.

[MCG]

Modelism.

[Leopold]

And you know, some current pastors like TD Jakes.

[MCG]

Right.

[Leopold]

He’s a Oneness pastor also, and that’s what he believed. And many people like. So when he would go for revival in a crowd where there is mostly 1S Pentecostal, he would preach 1 of Pentecostal. When he come to a crowd where he trained because again his purpose was to gain popularity and to have more crowd following him. So in his. Declaration. Right here, he. The Trinity is of the devil and I’m going to give you the quote right now, he. Those who believe in the Trinity belong to the devil. I’m going to give you the exact quote he gave regarding that.

[Jay]

Hmm.

[Leopold]

OK, let me read this quote for instance. Which is written in one of his sermons and title six and seven vile. OK. This is what he say. Eternity of frog. OK, talking about the Trinity, right? Who believe the. The Trinity of Frog a frog is an animal that always look backward. Never look where he’s going, he. Is coming from C. Don’t you? Where was Trinitarianism. At he’s telling them remember 3 unclean spirit individual spirit. Are you getting it? And the congregation say. Notice they look back to the 19 council. He’s saying this is where the Trinity came from. The 19th Council, where the Trinity Doctrine was born at and not in the Bible.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

Can you imagine that? If somebody who knows the word of God making this claim, that’s how you know. He has no clue what the Bible teach.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

There is no such a thing. They look back at the Nicene Council at Nicaea. Roman Nicaea was not even in Rome. It was in Constantinop, Turkey, around that area where the Trinity was born, and notice where they came from. And the Trinity of frog. He called it a Trinity of frog, came out of an old Trinity. Give birth to a new Trinity, their mother. What would it come out? The Dragon see the Beast and the false prophet. The Trinity knew for when these frogs come out. When did it notice they was there all the time? But it wasn’t manifest until between the 6th and the 7th. Just before the seal was opened. To reveal it, one court, another court.

[MCG]

Hmm.

[Leopold]

Here, not the third person of the Trinity. Trinity in. He is God talking about Jesus Christ and God alone made manifest in the flesh, by the way. He’s calling Jesus Christ the third person of the Trinity. Can you imagine? This is a quote in 1963 April 28.

[Jay]

Hmm.

[Leopold]

Julian Brand say now when Jesus came, he wasn’t just a man. He was in just the third person of the Trinity was Jesus the third person of the Trinity.

[MCG]

No, wait a second.

[Leopold]

Is a second, but this is the claim he’s making. So Trinity is vacillating between, you know, Oneness Pentecostal. And then sometime he would affirm Trinity in his own. You can see this quote where he’s treating. Trinity, as the doctrine of a devil. Another teaching of William Branham about salvation, he said it’s not sufficient. To believe. In the gospel that Jesus Christ brought, OK, that’s not enough. You need to believe in the message which William Branham brought, OK? So in addition to believing the gospel OK, you need to also believe what you hold the message. The message meaning he receive a special revelation, OK, which is reporting in all his sermons. As the Elijah of the last day who’s preparing the second coming of Jesus Christ.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

Remember John Alexander Darwin is basically imitating what John Adams and now he’s saying you need to he’s adding to it.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

By coming up with a new message. Now what does that remind you? The Book of Galatians. Where the apostle Paul is telling to the Galatians if anybody preach. Any gospel other than what I have preached to you which you have received by which you are saved. Let him be anathema occurs.

[Jay]

Of course. Let them up. Yep.

[Leopold]

William Branham is saying is not enough to just preach the gospel. You need to believe in. And second, he said, only the branamis are gonna. Be rapture. Nobody else, because you have to believe. And as I was saying earlier, he said. Major denomination they are part of the mark of the. They have taken the markers by just belonging to this traditional. That’s why you need to come out of this denomination and become a branhamist and believe in the message. That’s how you’re going to be raptured. Otherwise, Christ is not going to rapture you because you don’t believe in. Another teaching, he said. He’s the prophet of the last age of the church. He believe. Dispensationalism. Right where you have different church ages and him he say, for instance, Martin Luther was the messenger of God during his time during the Reformation.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

And maybe, like John Wesley was also the Prophet during his time. But as far as the 20th century is concerned? He is the messenger of God for this century and he is the messenger of the last church. Which is the Laoud Asian church? Because Christ is about to Rapture his church. To William Branham is basically preparing them and you need to believe that in order to be saved and to be raptured. And he’s so confused about salvation. He claimed that a child who is born out of wedlock. Block can be saved but cannot be raptured.

[MCG]

Oh wow.

[Leopold]

Now go figure that one. He can be saved, but he cannot be rapture. What kind of salvation is that?

[MCG]

Exactly.

[Leopold]

Do you know anybody who saved? That will not be rapture.

[MCG]

At that point, it doesn’t make sense getting saved.

[Leopold]

Exactly. And that’s the claim. He’s. And then the second claim he made, he said. If you are. Women. And you get involved in sexual intercourse. OK. And this is how demeaning a view he had about women. And that’s connected to his serpent seed doctrine. We’ll talk about it, he said. If you are a woman, okay and you have intercourse okay, you can be forgiven, but you can never be saved. And guess what? He’s not talking about the man who committed intercourse with that woman. A woman, only the woman who can be forgiven. But she can never be saved now. Kind of salvation is that.

[MCG]

Exactly.

[Leopold]

Do we have a God who is not able to forgive somebody who come to him regardless of what sin they have committed?

[MCG]

He just doesn’t forgive us. Also reconcile us.

[Leopold]

Exactly.

[MCG]

And that’s the big thing there. Wow.

[Leopold]

That’s right. So these are the teaching of woolam. In a nutshell.

[MCG]

Alright.

[Leopold]

And another doctrine he taught. He. Hell is not eternal again, and a lot of this teaching is basically borrowing from people who came before. He will hear something and then try to, you know, steal it and then pretend. God gave him the special revelation to repeat the supremac, so he thought. For instance, hell is not eternal because he heard it from the previous Pentecostal people who were teaching like somebody like Char partner. In the beginning of the 20th century, the one who replaced John Alexander Darry when he died. He was one of those early Panacotis who actually was teaching the same. And they got it also from the Jehovah witnesses, where they believe when you die, if you’re not saved or whatever, you’re going to be in hell. But just for a time.

[MCG]

Right.

[Leopold]

And after that you will get burned or your soul will be destroyed. And that’s the same thing William Branham is teaching. He’s saying eternal hell is not eternal because it’s only for a given period of time. He say Jesus Christ became the son of God when he was born of Mary in the 1st century, so he doesn’t believe the eternality of the son of God. He doesn’t believe the son of God was there from eternity past. He became the son of God. In the 1st century, when he was born of Mary is our the Bible teach?

[Jay]

Hmm.

[Leopold]

Yeah. And the number of this teaching.

[MCG]

Yep, John 11 at the beginning was the word.

[Leopold]

Yeah, and was was Wizard and the was was God.

[Jay]

Yep.

[Leopold]

But William Branham say no Jesus Christ became the son of man in the 1st century. Yeah. And the gospel is not eternal. It changed from period to period by the way. He has a coat and I don’t know if I can retrieve it where he said. The gospel that Moses preached was not valid in the time of Jesus. Because when Jesus came, he brought a new message.

[MCG]

Hmm.

[Leopold]

And similarly. When he came in the 20th century, the Gospel of Jesus Christ preached was not valid during this time, so you had to move from that gospel to what he’s preaching him as a messenger of God.

[MCG]

What are we going to?

[Leopold]

So basically he’s saying, yeah, the gospel changed from time to time, you know?

[MCG]

Yeah, you alluded to the seed of the snake. What did you get into that? What exactly is that?

[Leopold]

So that seed of the serpent is connected to what I was calling British Israelism. And what is British Israelism?

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

Israelism is you have a number of these people, originating mainly from England. Or at least Great Britain, right? John Alexander Dow is one of those. He came from Scotland. And. He believed that the 10 lost Tribe of Israel. He’s a descendant of those 10 lost tribe, and it’s also a plea about white supremacy. He’s also claiming they’re part of a special race and he’s a descendant of those. 10 Lost Tribe of Israel. And that’s why they have this dichotomy where some belong to that race of privilege. If you want descendant of those 10 lost tribes and the others are descendant of King who was cursed. Cain, who was cursed by God because if had intercourse, sexual intercourse with the serpent to give birth to Cain.

[MCG]

Oh.

[Leopold]

This is what William Branham is teaching, and he was not the first one to preach it. Was preached by these guys. Who believe in that British Israelism and they claim so. Eve had intercourse not with Adam, but with a serpent. And that’s what produce Cain. And that’s why some people are cursed. So he believed in predestination, if you are. And This is why there was segregation when he was. Alive and he was promoting segregation among racists in his church, and I believe to this day, if you’re a white Christian, you cannot marry a black or another race because you will be cursed the descendant. Will be cursed by. They can never enter heaven because they are cursed. Per eternity, it doesn’t matter if you can come to Christ at some point, no. And that’s what William Branham taught in his church. And I believe, if I’m not mistaken, to this day, this is a teaching. They’re going to hide it through some ways, but to this day they’re teaching the same thing. You cannot marry among Inter. Race interracial marriage is a curse from God and any descendant from there is curse to Hell for eternity. And that’s coming from that serpent seed teaching.

[MCG]

Well, well, you listen to the removing virus.

[Leopold]

Yeah.

[MCG]

We’re sitting down with Minister, Eden month, Leo, and we’re talking about randomness. What do you believe? We’ll be right back.

[Jay]

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That is in you. Alright, Leopold, can you share with us and help us to understand the prophecies of William Branham? We all know that the Bible has clear criteria on what is a true prophet. And one of the things that has to be true about a prophet among many things is that. They declare a prophecy that it comes true. So what are some of the prophecies that William Branham touted and did they ever come to pass?

[Leopold]

Thank. I was telling you earlier in 1933, he say he received a revelation from an Angel who gave him 7 prophecies. But over the years, the seven prophecies turn out to be 10, prophecy, 12 prophecy, and get extended. Now I want to talk a little bit about few of these prophecies. The first prophecy that he talked about here is one of them, the president, which now is and here. This is a sermon he deliver in 1960. See notice 1960? But remember, he’s saying he received the vision in 1933, so he’s like placing it in that vision to say the President, which now in do you remember in 1933, who was the President in the US?

[Jay]

Was it Roosevelt of that?

[Leopold]

Roosevelt.

[Jay]

Maybe. Was it Roosevelt OK?

[Leopold]

Roosevelt president and now, in 1960, he’s giving a sermon called condemnation by representation of November 13, 1960. If you Branham is listening or anybody want to see reference, you can go to that. Called condemnation by representation in. November 13th and this is what he declared he. That vision of 1933, the President, which now is meaning President Franklin D Roosevelt. Now remember this is 28 years ago. So he’s telling them. Like when he received the. Now notice this. President Franklin Roosevelt, will cause the whole world to go to war. Now as last time I remember Second World War. Caused by President Franklin Roosevelt. But this is what William Branham is claim he received.

[Jay]

Right.

[Leopold]

A. Now notice when we check the fact this thing that he’s declaring, he’s saying it actually around in the 1950s. Can you imagine? This was even after the war, but he’s claiming God gave him this revelation and it was. Franklin, who caused the war? I’m guessing his information is not even complete. He’s confused.

[Leopold]

Actually causes the. We know it’s all Hitler who invaded Austria and the war started.

[Jay]

Sure.

[Leopold]

All I. Countries, but he’s saying here he received that prophecy from God. Now, if somebody had a little bit of historical background and he’s part of the Branham family, this only should be enough for them to. Leave this false movement so he. And the new dictator of Italy, now this is still his. Mussolini shall make his first invasion toward Ethiopia, and he will take Ethiopia. That will be his. Now notice that he’s saying he’s making prophecy. He shall come to his. Now, notice that historically Mussolini, that’s true invaded Ethiopia. He did not take Ethiopia because Ethiopia was still able to resist and pull them back, but nothing something else.

[Jay]

To. It.

[Leopold]

Himself invaded or the country after Ethiopia? Albania is 1. Greece is another. He invaded and I think some of the Czechoslovakian country at that time, that was after the Ethiopia invasion OK1 prophecy. Let’s look at another prophecy that William Branham gave. He. We now have the President, right? Still in 1930. 23 Franklin Roosevelt and this Mr. Roosevelt, he’s saying, will cause the war, as we saw in a World War through him in his time of his administration. He’s as president, and then said during this time they have permitted women to vote. Which will be a curse to the nation. They will elect the wrong man sometime and they did the other day. Now think of that said, we will go to war with Germany, and Germany will be 45 behind concrete and we will take an awful beating at this place. The marginal line 11 years before it was built. Now notice. Some historical. Discrepancy here. The marginal line was in France, not Germany.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

He’s even. He’s maybe talking about the Siegfried Line, but not. Like and these are his prophecy that he’s talking about. That he. From an Angel in 1933. Another prophecy. He gave seventh thing in 1933. 7 prophecy would happen. And now every one of them now notice what he’s saying. He’s saying those are going fulfill at the time he’s living in the night. This is. For now, another sermon he gave in 1963 called Jehovah Jair #2. He said. Now everyone of them has come to pass. Of the seven prophecies that he made, and he said, but two things perfectly, just exactly how that even President Kennedy. Now remember this was during the time of President Kennedy. Would be taken in. It’s right in there on my book right now. Told 33 years. So he’s basically saying we are witnessing what he prophesied that President Kennedy. He’s going to become president. And as a matter of fact, the reason why he’s focusing on President Kenny because crediting was a Catholic right, he was known to be a Catholic, and he has this hatred for Catholics because he said the Catholics are the anti Christ.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

With the communists, they’re going to take over this world. OK. The Catholics and the communists. And they say they will be the one taking over the world.

[Jay]

Although.

[Leopold]

The way let me read it here on that same sermon of 1964. Say it’s right in there on my books right now 33 years ago. Exactly how that the marginal line would be built 11 years before it built. How that Hitler would rise up and fascism and Nazism and all to bind in communism and communism would destroy Catholicism. Where has communism destroyed Catholicism? And it never happened. And it will. Yes, no matter what they do and show said there will be an ecumenical council and how that all the churches will come together and will fall. The image called the mark of the beast.

[Jay]

Never happened. Yep.

[Leopold]

This is why he’s saying get out of those denomination because they are the mark of the beast.

[Leopold]

Will see them right on the road right now. Exactly. It’s got to happen because it’s never failed to be. OK, the next paragraph is saying anybody. That ever know it, anybody take them around the world. It’s never failed one time he say his prophecy never failed. Months and years ahead of time is just perfectly right on the spot. It’s almost. You people, God in us, the Holy Spirit, basically he’s saying himself. Is God in the flesh? Who’s coming to deliver this to you? He said notice. Jesus said the royal seat would be identified by the same thing here in Luke Chapter 17. Basically, he’s citing Luke 1730 where he say when the son of man come, he will be basically. He’s identifying himself as being the son of man who will come in the cloud. OK, he’s identifying himself as the son of man as God Incarnate. William Branham.

[MCG]

Well.

[Leopold]

And another prophecy that a woman will be. He will come to pass, OK. And we will start having egg shaped car. OK. That would drive themselves, he said. Is a prophecy that the Angel revealed to him and that all will also come to pass. It will come to pass that they will have an automobile perfected into a place that I seen a family driving in an automobile that was glass top and did not have any steering wheel. He. This is going to happen. As one of the prophecy, so these are 7 prophecies that he talked about and he said another prophecy is also about this breach in Indiana that was built around the 1930s. He said he received that prophecy. When he was, I believe 16 years old around that age. He said the prophecy told him 16 people would die. OK, drown in the Ohio River. OK. And that bridge was at the intersection, I believe, of Indiana and Kentucky, right?

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

So when investigators did their research regarding this prophecy, they identified clearly the bridge he was talking about, and that bridge was built in 1929, so he said. He received the prophecy when he was seven years old. Remember, he was born in 19. 9 So if he received it when he was seven years old, that was in 1960. Right when we do the map. And he said 22 years from the day he received that prophecy about the bridge collapsing and 16 people dying being drowned, that will be fulfilled.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

Right. So in 1916, if you add 22 years, what is that 1938?

[Jay]

38th.

[Leopold]

That’s ten years after that bridge that collapse and I had not 16 people died. But two people, and they not only die, they die through the bridge.

[MCG]

Yeah.

[Leopold]

They were not drowned in the river, but he made specific he. Actually, they’re going to be drowned in the river. That never happened, never. And when you ask, the Branham is, what about this prophecy? Can you please clarify? He said 16 people are going to die and he received it 22 years when he was seven years. Old when you do the math, they don’t line up with what he’s saying and when. Compare it with the fact the bridge that collapsed in 1921 and we have evidence we have newspapers. Because you know those kind of event don’t go unnoticed.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

The newspaper have to record it. Just remind me the Baltimore Bridge that collapse was it? Many two years. Last year, something like that.

[MCG]

Yeah, I think it was last year.

[Leopold]

So was last year, so this is a major event. All the newspaper are going to recall things like that.

[MCG]

Yeah, I think.

[Leopold]

The same thing in the 1930s. Those records are there. We know how many people died. We know what happened. The bridge collapse. Etcetera and new number and I’m come to tell us he was seven years old when he received that prophecy again. He always take things that happen after the fact and retrofitted into. Like. Like his visions. Like retrofit. So he can claim this is a prophecy.

[MCG]

Wow.

[Leopold]

He get news here and there and he will use it basically to mislead. People and to make them believe he’s a prophet of God and again on and on and on that never ends.

[MCG]

Well, so let this guy wow. You alluded a little bit on how William Brandon believe someone can be saved and basically it’s through his gospel, elaborate and does a little bit and also tell us what pitfalls should we avoid when we’re witnessing to randomness. So.

[Leopold]

Yes. So William Branham. So he’s the last Prophet who came up with the last message.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

It’s like a little bit Mohamed, who claimed he received the last revelation or Christianity. Jesus Christ, they all came, but they did not have the last revelation. So Mohammed had it the same thing. William bran. All his visions, all the things that he was revealed, he put them into sermons. And they become viable and to the people who are from the message.

[Jay]

Hmm.

[Leopold]

They put, I would say, sometime the Bible below. His own sermon. Because when you tell them this is a sermon that William Branham preach and he say, for instance, the Trinity of the devil, do you believe in that? They will believe it over going through the Bible and looking at what the Bible teach regarding the Trinity. So disturbance of William Branham are sacred to the Branham is that’s why to reach them it’s important first of all to know what William Branham taught in his sermons to be able to break it down for them. In a way that and then connected back to the Bible so that they can see this guy is not preaching the same gos. That is preached in the Bible.

[Jay]

But in order to do that, it sounds like you have to convince these people that the Bible is worthy of being the sole and final authority for all of Christian life. If they put random sermons above the Bible, well then it sounds to me like it doesn’t matter what the Bible says.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Jay]

Always going to, you know, revert back to what Branham said. Branham is essentially their God.

[Leopold]

Yes, you’re right. And again, some set of branam is actually believe he’s got incarnated as I was telling you earlier, not everybody, not everybody believed the same thing. You have differences here and there. But one thing they all agree on. William Branham was the last prophet that God has sent, but as you can see if what Bruna Branham taught is the ultimate the last revelation. All the others are basically subservient to his message, because that’s the last message.

[Jay]

That is awful, yeah.

[Leopold]

And that’s why it’s very difficult also to reach some of them because and it doesn’t matter what you tell them about the fact regarding prophecies not being fulfilled, they always have a way of rationalizing it and bringing you back to say.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Leopold]

For instance, he said this and it came to pass, but they cannot even give you concrete evidence of what he’s claiming that came to pass. And even if you recall, the Bible is even telling us, even if somebody claimed to be a prophet and tell you something that.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Leopold]

To pass. That’s not even enough. Because if he’s telling you something that come to pass, but then he’s leading you toward other God than the true God, you still have a false prophet because Satan is capable of some of these miracles.

[Jay]

Yep, let him be your first.

[Leopold]

To mislead people and can show you something that’s.

[MCG]

Oh yeah.

[Leopold]

Happen and then you end up believing it. But then if on top of that, he’s gonna tell you you need to believe the message that William Branham taught, that tells you he’s leading you to another God than the true God.

[Jay]

Now I feel silly asking this question, but I think it’s an important one because there might be a branamite listening that might try to justify or try to explain away the religion that he or she is caught up in.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Jay]

I think that if we’re thinking about eternity. Where your soul will be the moment you draw your last breath. This is a really important question, so I ask you to tell us is a. Believing, practicing branamite biblically saved.

[Leopold]

I don’t believe so, because again, it brings me to the letter, of course, to the Galatians he’s saying anybody doesn’t matter if that message came from an Angel, if they preach another gospel than the gospel that we have preached, which is that Christ. Died, according to the scripture for our sin he was buried and rose again the third day according to the scripture. The gospel.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Leopold]

But William Branham. He say you need to believe that, but on top of that. You need to believe the last message that God gave. To him, being Elijah of the last time was preparing the second coming of Christ. At some point, he claimed he’s got Incarnate. He has coped in his sermon where he’s definitely claiming that. God, who came into the flesh. So somebody who believed that now I’m assuming maybe there are some who don’t have that understanding. And understood the gospel, but don’t really follow what Gina Abraham is teaching. There is a possibility that they may be saved, but if you know what William Branham is preaching, if you know that his sermon, what he’s teaching there is no way. You can be saved because this is contrary to what the Bible is teaching.

[Jay]

This is so. You know how there are some leaders who are deceived and then they’re deceiving others. This man sounds like he knows what he’s teaching is not true and willfully, maliciously deceive.

[Leopold]

Yeah.

[Jay]

Other people just pure.

[Leopold]

Absolutely. That’s absolutely true. The worst thing about it is he. He put up a face of a humble man who is not into, you know, but if you look at his record, for instance, his hunting activity, he used to spend extensive.

[Jay]

Mm.

[Leopold]

You know, instrument for his hunting activities. About it, he tried to, you know, run away from this question to say that no, I’m not into a one time. One person gave him. I think it was a. Mercedes or you know, something like a very expensive car. You say he’s not going to drive it because he’s a man of God. He like to be a humble life, but yet when he died. They found $3,000,000. In his bank account for somebody at that. Now if you take into account the cost of living and inflation to this day $30 million, maybe today is worse. Don’t know 50 million or more.

[Jay]

Hmm.

[Leopold]

That’s not somebody who’s poor, who’s claiming to be poor, and who. Ripped people off by taking money after claiming they were healed from whatever that disease that they had. And after people confront him about those who died, he never even talked about returning the money. At least to show some faith that since this person that I claim was Hill end up dying. And they gave me a lot of money, at least if you had a little bit of integrity, you should return the money and say, you know what? I misled you. I should ask for forgiveness, but no, he will turn the page and. Just either. Curse those people who are investigating what he’s doing or just run away from them.

[MCG]

Mm.

[Jay]

You know, and just to put this in perspective, $3,000,000 back then is $29 million today.

[Leopold]

Exactly. So that’s a lot of money for somebody who claim.

[Jay]

If. No, no, no.

[Leopold]

He was living a simple life but imagined. And we know all the strategies that he was using to get money and to build his own reputation instead of serving God.

[MCG]

Well, lipo telephones. They can get a hold of you, get a hold of your YouTube channel and stuff like that.

[Leopold]

Alright, so we have a website called www.ed. Imof org. So E as elephant. D as David. As India M as Mary, O as Oscar and F as Frank .0 RG. That’s our website. To see what we have and we have a YouTube channel called again by the same name. Ed, IMO F. You type it on YouTube and you’ll have access to all our broadcasts.

[MCG]

Alright, well, Leon Paul, it was a. We learned a lot about William Branham and the cult that he started, and I trust that this will help someone. You so much for joining us on the Removing Barriers podcast.

[Leopold]

Yeah, it was my pleasure. You for having me.

[Jay]

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[MCG]

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