Episode 184
In this compelling episode of the Removing Barriers podcast, MCG and Jay sit down with special guest Missionary Scott to discuss the topic of polygamy in light of scripture, exploring whether it’s a sin or a matter of personal liberty. From biblical narratives to modern-day implications, they delve into the historical context and scriptural arguments against polygamy, while also addressing cultural practices around the world. Scott shares insights from his mission field experiences, discussing the societal impacts of polygamy and the challenges faced by those in polygamous relationships. This episode is a thought-provoking exploration of faith, culture, and the pursuit of a Christ-centered life.
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From the first instance of polygamy all the way through the scriptures, anytime you see polygamy, you see hurt and you see pain and you see strife and you see confusion. You look at Jacob’s life. He had four women and all fighting for his attention.
[MCG]
MHM.
[Missionary Scott]
And not only did he have four women fighting for his attention, there’s strife in his home at all times. His own children could not get along so much that his sons were willing to kill one of their brothers.
[Jay]
Thank you for tuning in to the Removing Barriers podcast. I’m Jay and I’m MCG. And we’re attempting to remove barriers so we can all have a clear view of the cross.
[MCG]
This is episode 184 of the Removing Barriers Podcast, and in this episode, we will be discussing the age or concept of polygamy and whether it is a matter of sin or liberty.
[Jay]
Hi, this is Jay. MCG and I would like for you to help us remove barriers by going to removingbarriers.net and subscribing to receive all things, Removing Barriers. If you’d like to take your efforts a bit further and help us keep the mics on, consider donating at removing barriers.net/donate, Removing Barriers, a clear view of the cross.
[MCG]
And joining us in this episode is missionary Scott. Scott holds the honor of being the first missionary we interviewed in our series on the mission field. That was episode 52. And Scott also joined us in episode 81, Afghanistan: a Missionary’s Perspective. Scott, it is indeed a pleasure and welcome back to the Removing Barriers Podcast.
[Missionary Scott]
Thank you very much for having me.
[MCG]
Great. So, tell us what has been happening on your mission field since the last time we spoke?
[Missionary Scott]
We’ve graduated a couple more classes of students. We’ve expanded into two other countries. We had graduates and one of the other countries. I’m trying to think of what I can and can’t say.
[MCG]
Yes, we’re keeping the airway. We’re Scott is secret because of security issues.
[Missionary Scott]
The Lord’s been blessing and we’ve been having. A great time.
[MCG]
Amen. Well, you know, it’s pretty early over there. First MCG 5:4, says greater love has no man than this than the man give up his sleep for his friends.
[JAY]
I think it’s a good thing that we don’t follow your scripture really.
[MCG]
Also. Also tell us how about your family? You have since turned to Grandpa and I see you have the gray in your beard for it too.
[Missionary Scott]
Yes. I have two grandchildren now.
[MCG]
Oh wow.
[Missionary Scott]
We have five children, four of them now live in America, and one of them is here with us. Our middle daughter just got married about two months ago, and we’ve just had a brand new grandson born about six weeks ago. So grandma’s hearts actually still in America.
[MCG]
Amen.
[Missionary Scott]
She sacrifices to be with me, but her heart is with the children and the more children to go to the US, the more you know. She hugs and kisses me, but I know she really. Wants to be on the other side of the water so.
[MCG]
All right.
[Missionary Scott]
And for good reason. We have two fantastic grandchildren and our kids are a blessing.
[MCG]
Hey man.
[JAY]
And congratulations. Thank you very much.
[Missionary Scott]
Thank you.
[MCG]
Let’s jump into it. Let’s talk about polygamy, but let’s define it first. What is polygamy?
[Missionary Scott]
Well, there’s actually two types of polygamy. Polygamy is having multiple spouses. There is polygenic. If I pronounce that correctly, and that is where you have more than one wife at a time. And there’s Poly Andry, which is where you have more than one husband at a time. So polygamy isn’t just one thing, it’s a broad spectrum of things. Probably the first instance of polygamy in the Bible would be lamic, and that’d be like Genesis 4, I think. Verse 19, now polyandry was not seen in the Bible. To the best of my knowledge, Jeannie was prevalent. Abraham had multiple wives, Jacob had multiple wives. David Solomon, the list goes on and on and on. You know, some people would argue that it’s.
[MCG]
MHM.
[Missionary Scott]
Biblical. Just because something’s in the Bible doesn’t make it biblical. The Bible is a you have to know what the Bible is. The Bible is a revelation of God. The Bible is a book about the Lord. But in that book, he has an exact record of everything that’s happened and how he worked in other people’s lives. He was revealing himself to man in the way that he worked through other people’s lives. So you see people with real problems, real failures, and him working in their lives. And the Bible is a progressive revelation of himself, you know, Genesis 315. We see a promise of Jesus coming. But when we get to the New Testament, we see Jesus on the cross and the two men resurrected ascending to heaven and promising to come back again.
[MCG]
Hey man.
[Missionary Scott]
It’s a progressive revelation, so there’s things that happen in the Old Testament that we don’t practice in the New Testament. For example, David went and killed 200 Philistines, took their foreskins, delivered them to King Saul so he could marry his daughter. I don’t think that’s a good practice that we could follow today. You understand what I’m saying? Just because something was in the Bible does not make it biblical. And just because you were used of God and a great man of God does not mean you had failings.
[MCG]
Yeah.
[MCG]
Yep.
[Missionary Scott]
Abraham initially had Sarah’s wife. They had no children. Abraham he faltered in his faith. He’s the father of our faith. He represents some of the best of the best. And yet he faltered in his faith and his wife tried to help him fulfill God’s desire through their own abilities, and he took that Egyptian maiden to wife. She was a servant in this house.
[MCG]
Right.
[Missionary Scott]
I mean. Polygamy from a guys perspective seems like this really great thing, but it’s not. That poor girl didn’t have any choice in the matter, and she’s been given to this old man now, and now she’s only been given to this old man to become his wife. But his wife is now beating up on her. I mean, she had a miserable life. And after all this, she gets thrown out of the house.
[MCG]
Right.
[Missionary Scott]
Yep. Now, with that being said, it’s the first time that we say a name attributed to God that he himself did not give. Hagar called God the God who sees me. Even though all that happened, God did not abandon her. So he still worked in her life, but from the first instance of polygamy all the way through the scriptures, anytime you see polygamy, you see hurt and you see pain and you see strife and you see confusion. You look at Jacob’s life. He had four women and all fighting for his attention.
[MCG]
MHM.
[Missionary Scott]
And not only did he have four women fighting for his attention, they’re strife in his home at all times. His own children could not get along so much that his sons were willing to kill one of their brothers. Hmm. They literally attempted to kill Joseph and then sold him into slavery. Now God worked through this because he said, you know, at the end of Joseph’s life, when he’s looking at his brothers, he goes, you meant it for evil. 5 minutes for. Good save many people alive, as is this day. So God worked through it, but it’s not God’s design to do this. When God made woman, he made manna. Help me. He took a rib from his side and he made a woman to be his help meat.
[MCG]
You know, you mentioned limit recently in services. My oldest son Pastor mentioned limit and my oldest son, right in the middle of service lean over, whisper to me. Why did he took two wives? I’m like, how do I answer this question in the middle of service to a nine year old? And the first thing that came to my mind to tell him. Was because he’s a nut, yes.
[Missionary Scott]
100% Amen. I.
[MCG]
Agree. But I didn’t say that. I said Ohh because he disobeyed God.
[Missionary Scott]
Amen.
[MCG]
Let me read something for you and tell me what you think. So this is from Psychology Today, and of course, I’m not endorsing them, but they had some stats that I found interested in a comprehensive survey of traditional societies in the world shows that 83.39% of them practice polygyny. So a man having multiple wives 16.4%. Practice, monogamy, 0.47 percentage practice, polyandry. And then he went on and said most all of their communities that actually practice polyandry. It is a woman marrying a bunch of brothers.
[MCG]
MHM.
[MCG]
There’s none that where a woman married a bunch of men that are unrelated. Why do you think that is the case?
[Missionary Scott]
This is biology, and please forgive me, I’m not trying to just cast off the question, but one man can have multiple wives and produce a lot of children. If one woman has multiple husbands, she’s not going to produce multi. Children, she’s only going to be able to have one at a time. I think part of the reason for it in the past that God allowed it, it was a protection to women. Women that did not have a man as an overseers, a protector, were at danger and abandoned for most practical purposes to help propagate the race. And they used it to build alliances like a lot of these people, they didn’t have states. Like we have today and they didn’t have lost that much like we had today. So basically you lived in groups and your group protected you against other marauding groups that would attack, and so this guy would give his daughter to the enemy to build an alliance between these two tribes. So they come closer together. And so having multiple lives where you tried to secure the place of your tribe within the larger community, if that makes sense.
[MCG]
Yeah, and the baby said that Solomon form an affinity. So yeah.
[Missionary Scott]
But the Bible also said in Jude Army 1717 he wasn’t supposed to multiply wives, right? He was specifically told not to do it. You’re not to multiply wives, you’re not to multiply forces. Basically, those two things were for protection.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
You know, I married this King’s daughter. We’re never going to go to war. I married this King’s daughter. We’re never going to go to war. Solomon’s doing all this stuff in his flesh one. Hey, these women are the best and the best, most beautiful. Anywhere. Sure, I’ll do this. That’s sin. And he was trusting in his own self and not God. God is his shield. God is his protector. God, his provider. You don’t need a bunch of horses, and you don’t need a bunch of soldiers. And you don’t need a bunch of wives. You need me.
[MCG]
And.
[Missionary Scott]
Solomon outside Jesus Christ. Solomon is the wisest man to ever have lived. But if you actually read the Book of Ecclesiastes, there was a period in his life where he was. The heathen, anything that felt good, he did it. He let himself experience everything he said. And when I got to the end of it, it was all emptiness was banded, is what he said. It’s a waste. So Solomon wasn’t always a good guy, and Solomon didn’t always do right. And the 700 watts was a huge mistake. It was Solomon, hubris.
[MCG]
Yep.
[Missionary Scott]
That caused the break between the northern and southern is. Red Bone was the result, but the seed of it was back in Solomon. It was red bones pride that split the country, but it was because of his daddy. I’m sorry. Go ahead.
[JAY]
Well. Can you? No, no, no. I was going to ask you to piggyback on that and take us through the Scriptures and provide the biblical arguments against polygamy, because even in our modern day society, some of the trends that we see online, particularly in the masculine space or this, what you see online, people talking about the. And tension between modern day masculinity and femininity, idea of polygeny is coming back up. Men actually aspiring to have a harem. They call it, or a bunch of women that only belong. To them, this is something that we thought was ancient news, and it’s obviously not. And people are talking about it as if it were a viable option today. Can you walk us through the scriptures and explain those verses, those precepts, those principles and scripture that are against polygamy?
[Missionary Scott]
There’s a couple ways you can approach this from Scripture. First off, again in Deuteronomy 1717, you’re told not to multiply wives and and the New Testament of pastors to be the husband of one wife. But the New Testament also says we’re to be a Kingdom of believer. Priests were royal priesthood. The standards for a pastor are not just for a pastor. Those standards are supposed to be for every believer.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
It’s not just the pastors supposed to hold those standards. We’re all supposed to strive for that and being the husband and one wife is part of that. Also, you cannot be a New Testament husband and have more than one wife. God calls you to love your wife as Christ loved the church and gave himself for it. He calls us to be one. We are spirit, soul and body and we are to be 1 and spirit, soul and body. Our body has our senses and that’s where we interact with the rest of the world. But it’s the house we dwell in. It’s not who we are. Our soul is our intellect, our emotion, and our will. How we think, how we feel and our resolve if we’re to be one, that means my wife and I are to see things from the same point of view, we need to agree in what we think about. We need to agree on how we feel about things and we need to agree in the decisions we make and stick with it together to being one and soul. Now that’s a terribly hard thing, but that’s the goal. You strive for and it’s a mutual agreement. It’s not me lording her or her. Lording over me. You’re going to do what I think. No, it’s us coming together as one in agreement with. That and then in spirit, your spirit is the candle of the Lord. It’s where we commune with God. It’s where our life force is. And it’s where our conscience resides. That means if I’m one with my wife, my conscience has to be completely cleaned before my wife and my wife’s conscience has to be completely cleaned before me. That means we both have to be saved. We both have to be given. And we both have to be completely honest with. Each other that’s to be 1. You can’t do that with multiple women. And you talked about these guys having these dreams of harems, and you’re right, for a young guy that seems like a wonderful thing. You know, it’s like baskin-robbins, 33 flavors, but I know lots of men that have multiple wives living in this country. I know one man with eight wives. Do you know where he sleeps at night? In his car. I had a guy pick me up. One time he had four wives and he was going to take me to the best place in town where the best prostitutes are. He never goes home. He doesn’t know his wives, he doesn’t know his kids, because if he goes to one of his homes where he has a wife, they want money and they want his time and they want his attention. And if he goes to this place and the other wives get angry, so he stays away from everybody. There’s no peace. There’s no joy, there’s no unity, there’s no family there. And these kids are basically growing up without a dad, children without a father. Have no respect for authority and they grow up rebellious. Every child is supposed to have a mother and a father. This is God’s design. Mother is for nurture. Father is for discipline and dads are supposed to nurture too. And moms are supposed to discipline too. But those are the sweeping areas of authority I should.
[MCG]
MHM.
[Missionary Scott]
Right, right. And if a child grows up without a dad, it’s not the end of the world. Like, it’s not that God can’t use them. They can’t have the last transform, but they automatically lack respect for authority. That’s the nature of growing up without a father. That’s the outcome. You see it now. I mean, if you work a second hour in a church in the United States right now, you see kids that have no respect for authority. They have a terrible attitude, they’re completely selfish and they treat their moms like trash. Part of Dad’s job is to teach the child how to supposed to treat his mother. You treat her as a queen. You watch over her, you protect her, and you provide for her. You honor her. That’s your job. Christ loved the church and gave himself for. Now I’m going to back up for a second. Christ led the church and gave himself forth. Where was the church when Christ was on the cross? They ran. They abandoned him. They did not help him. They did not stand with him. They did not support him. Well, guess what. If Christ loved the church that way, and we’re supposed to love our wives that way? Well, what if my wife is doing? She’s supposed to do it doesn’t matter. You’re still supposed to love her regardless of circumstances. Doctor Lee Robertson used to say everything rises and falls on leadership. You as the husband, are the head of the house. And it is your responsibility to be the priest for the family. You’re to lead the family in spiritual matters. You’re to lead the family, you’re to provide for the family. That’s your duty, no matter what the rest of your family does, you’re responsible. If your wife is a terrible person, it’s your fault you can’t control her. You can’t dictate her life, but you’re supposed to lead her. That means you have to find a way to inspire her to do better.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
And quite frankly, I talked like this, but the fact of the matter is women are 9 times better than men across the board. Women are more faithful. Women are usually smarter, women do better in school, women do better taking care of the family. It’s the men that run away. It’s the women that stick there. I used to teach this and I say it tongue in cheek. Man is God’s first creation then God made. Women. All the artists I know, whenever they make something, the second one is better than. The first.
[MCG]
And I’m gonna argue with that one.
[Missionary Scott]
God’s perfect he doesn’t make any mistakes. He doesn’t improve because he’s perfect. But when I look at a woman and I look at a man, I think the woman. Is a whole lot better model. You know what I mean?
[MCG]
I was saying meant to. That. So I was going to pick it back at something you said because it’s interesting that you mentioned the qualifications of a pastor slash Deacon in Scripture. And of course you said somewhere else in the Bible the Bible have all these principles for all Christian, not just pastors and deacons. But whenever we talk about especially first time, the tree should be husband of one wife. I’ve heard arguments where it is said this is actually talking about polygamy and not divorce. And now in the Western world we use it a lot to say, OK, you’re disqualified from being a pastor if you happen to have gone through a divorce because this is not about divorce. But how do you interpret this scripture? Is it divorce or is it? Polygamy.
[Missionary Scott]
Why isn’t it both? He has to be the husband of one wife. Divorce and remarriage is just serial polygamy.
[MCG]
You tell me. Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
Moses said that they could right of a bill of Divorcement. God did not intend it this way, but because the hardness of your hearts, I give you this preach. Because you’re going to be so ugly and hurt each other. I’d rather you live in peace than to be together and be so hateful with one another and hurt your testimony and hurt my testimony because you’re my people. Wherever you go, you represent me. So is this the way you’re going to be? Fine. You divorce. But that is not my plan. My plan is for you to be together. So if that’s the best part. Does that make sense?
[MCG]
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I guess again, it’s about divorce, but guess imagine what the listeners may push back and say, hey, what about abandonment? What about?
[Missionary Scott]
Yes.
[MCG]
Abuse. What about the fact that Jesus said and met you, but for the cause?
[MCG]
MHM.
[Missionary Scott]
Of fornication, right. I know instances where there’s been fornication and people have been forgiven and homes restored. I know instances of abuse where the guy got saved and the abuse went away and the home became a beautiful testimony for Jesus Christ. Now me personally, I don’t endorse abuse at all. And my flesh when I found out a woman’s being abused, I would like to gather up a whole bunch of guys to impress. That young gentleman never to do it again.
[MCG]
Mm-hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
You know their repercussions for your actions and we will make repercussions upon you if you touch this woman again. Kind of thing. And that’s sinful too. That’s flesh. We’re supposed to pray the weapons are worth are are not carnal. But there’s no situation that Christ can’t fix. He’s the great physician and there are no perfect people. Everyone’s broken to some degree.
[MCG]
Right. Right.
[Missionary Scott]
Whenever I step into a pulpit and I lookout upon any congregation, no matter where I am, there are people standing sitting before me that have been physically, mentally, or sexually abused. Over half that congregation has experienced at least one of those automatically, and that’s why I’m there. He’s the great physician, only he can fix the problem.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
Only he can heal. You and I can sit here and we can have solid arguments against polygamy. But if the Holy Spirit does not convince and convict, it’s a waste of time.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
Jesus said if I be lifted up, I will draw all men to me. When people come to this country like as we talked about being independent. A lot of really strong, independent Baptists. They want to come here and they want to tell everybody the Romans road and they’ll just get saved in droves. That’s not going to happen.
[MCG]
Mm-hmm.
[MCG]
Yep.
[Missionary Scott]
Coming here and attacking Mohammed is the quickest way to get your head removed from your body and all you do when you do that is you make people angry and if they’re angry, they won’t listen. Jesus didn’t tell us to go attack anybody else. Jesus said if I be lifted up, there are 12 verses in the Koran talk about Jesus Christ, how he’s virgin.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[MCG]
Right.
[Missionary Scott]
Warren, he’s a healer. He’s a miracle worker. He’s all these wonderful things. 12 verses in the Koran about Jesus Christ. I just give him those. I just lift up. Jesus. I don’t win people the Holy Spirit does. I don’t change people’s lives. Jesus Christ does. And you can’t be the witness. You’re supposed to be and have multiple wives. You don’t have the time to be the witness. You’re supposed to be and have multiple wives. And whenever you have multiple wives, you can’t be the father to your children. That. You’re supposed to. Yeah. And there’s a degree of shame that comes with that, too. I know lots of children here that they’ll have this kid with them, and that’s their brother. That’s their cousin. That’s their, you know, and they never know how to refer to them. And they don’t talk about mom and Dad. And I don’t know of any polygamist homes where there’s peace and joy. In the home, none. My landlord. When we first came to.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
This country, I take it back, it was the second place we lived. Our landlord was one of multiple wives. Her daughter came to teach my wife a language spoken in this country. And she had a hard time talking about family, and she was embarrassed by it. And you could see she. Was embarrassed by. It and her mom was a dentist. So. She was a educated lady. She’s a wealthy lady and she basically lived as a single woman, even though she was married like her favorite thing to do is go snowboarding. And she just lived her life on her own. And she didn’t like her husband anymore and didn’t talk about him or even acknowledge existed. It’s sick and twisted. Every home is supposed to be. Honoring to Jesus Christ, our home is to be a place of peace. Our home is to be a place of joy. Our home is to be a place of safety. People should seek Christ in us in the home. My wife said something to me a couple weeks ago and I guess it’s kind of like a revelation. She goes my whole life. I knew all these verses in the Bible and it never hit me that they all belong in my house.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
I thought these were things I was supposed to do in front of other people. Should they come to know about Jesus Christ? It never dawned on me that all this has to start in my home, and when it’s in my home then everybody else will see it.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
It’s not me putting on a show for everybody else or me doing something for everybody else. This is for me and my house with my. Kids and my. Husband and. My wife is a huge blessing to me. We started something couple months ago. She has it through the Bible chronologically in 90 days and she wanted us to read it. Together. So we take about an hour each day to read Bible together, and we read a chapter back and forth. And that was her request. And it has been incredible for us. We’ve been married for over 30 years. We’ve got. Five kids and. It’s made our own fellowships sweeter, and we’re not perfect. You know, we’re not some wonderful family or anything. Don’t get me wrong. But that’s helped us grow together as a couple and it’s an hour out of the day at a minimum. And yet it’s a precious, precious time. And I don’t know why, but you get more out of reading the Bible when you read it together like that. I can’t even tell you why that it’s one of the greatest things we’ve done. My wife Tuesdays is Family Day, 2-3 years ago, my wife said we work on Saturdays. We have church all day. Sunday she goes. There’s no such thing as family time for us. We’re together a lot, but there’s no dedicated family time. And in the past, I don’t take vacations as a general rule, but right before the kids go back to America, when they come to about graduation time, we make one family trip and we dedicate that trip to that kid and my wife’s like family time should be something routine. So she requested, and every Tuesday’s family. Every day and I don’t schedule classes for that day. We try to keep the calendar clean for Tuesdays and we do stuff as a family. If we do nothing else, we stay at home and play games together or we’ll go for a walk in the park together. Sometimes we do something really special because the general rule is just a day dedicated to children and like for my kids are out of the house now. And I told my wife I said I am so sorry. First off, that you have to tell this to me and 2nd that we haven’t done this all these years. Because family is the most important thing you have. Family is the foundational building block to all human society. If you do not have a home, you do not have a society in time. That’s what we’re seeing in America. America is falling apart at the seams, and it came with the attack against the home. You have polygamy in America. You’re technically not being. Practice. When one guy has had marital relations with 20 different women and doesn’t live with them and doesn’t provide for them, that’s the same thing as having a hair.
[Jay]
Absolutely.
[MCG]
Ohh yeah.
[Missionary Scott]
And you have all these kids being raised without a dad and they all have a daddy. They do not know and they’ve never seen it. He doesn’t care about them and America’s falling. Part.
[MCG]
Yep.
[Missionary Scott]
Actually falling apart at the seams and it was attack against the home. The first thing Jesus did when Jesus started his public ministry, he blessed the marriage. One man, one woman, every reference in the Bible to a husband and wife is in the singular. There’s three things in the Bible you have singular well in Hebrew you have singular. You have plural and.
[MCG]
Yep.
[Missionary Scott]
You have duals. They have a special way of saying that there’s a pair of things in the Hebrew Bible, and that’s the only way you find marriage reference. You know you have a husband, you have a wife, or you have the pay and then new testimony. We just have send you in Perl. But that relationship is always referred to as one man, one woman. It never says the husband and his wives, that’s not Christ. Plan. There’s no loyalty there either. I’m going to love you for the rest of your days and will be faithful to.
[MCG]
All right.
[Missionary Scott]
You for the rest of your days except. Come with her.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
That’s not Christian. Like I said, we can go through all the scriptures I can list you out a whole bunch of Scripture verses, but again, it’s the Holy Spirit makes the difference.
[MCG]
Right. Give us those crypto verses. But in this question though, because one of the pushback that you might get from the fact that, hey, you say polygamy is in the Bible, but it’s not biblical, if you see people practicing polygamy in the Bible, but then you also listed a bunch of the giants of the faith. Of course, you mentioned Abraham. You’re not talking about any whippersnapper here. We’re talking about men that are in Hebrews Chapter 11. What we call the. Yes, Sir. So when we look at that and see these giants of the faith practicing polygamy, how would you answer that?
[Missionary Scott]
Simple. Abraham had a broken home. David’s son raped his own daughter. David had multiple wives and created all kinds of strife in his own home. One of his children tried to kill his other or one son did. Kill another son and. Tried to kill other sons at different times. There’s strife in the home. There’s no unity in the home. Every instance of polygamy in the Bible. The train wreck, Genesis 2 chapter 22 through 24, God took one rib from Adam’s side and former woman to be his help meet. He didn’t tell me he needed a bunch of help meats and he didn’t take a rack of ribs. He took one first Timothy 3 two and 12, Titus 161, wife of a husband, Ephesians 522 to 23. It’s all given in the singular. First, Peter 2, Revelation 16, Exodus 19. Six. We are to be believer priests. We are to be holy before God. We are to have a holy home and in order to meet the qualifications of a priest, you can only have one wife. Due to running 2115 through 17 says there’s to be no. Favoritism. If you have more than one wife, you’re not that play favorites. Show me anybody that’s got more than one wife that doesn’t play favorites unless he rejects them all. Another argument they can use for polygamy, Leviticus 1817, gave instructions for how to be with more than one woman at a time. You were not to have a mother and a daughter at the same. Time you were not to have sisters at the same time. There were things given specifically for that situation. But it was about trying to mitigate the damage. It wasn’t trying to allow it or endorse it, if that makes sense.
[MCG]
Right.
[Jay]
Like trying to rein in the effects of that sin, yeah.
[Missionary Scott]
Again, the law. Right, yeah, he said. I give you that Bill of Divorcement because the hardness of your hearts, because you will not obey, you will not listen. I’m just gonna try to make peace in the camp. Literally.
[MCG]
And yeah, much like slavery, slavery in the Bible, and if God gave them instruction how to treat their slaves because they realize that they’re gonna be disobedient and do it. So if you’re going to have slaves, this is all the laws concerning. You know? Of course not.
[MCG]
But it wasn’t like go out and get slaves, right, right, right.
[MCG]
And he wasn’t trying to slavery as would be practiced.
[Missionary Scott]
Well, think about this for a second. The borrower is servant to the lender. Yep, right. And in due loss, which is the Greek word for that. Mm-hmm. Is servant and slave. It’s the same word when they translate it, the only distinction they make is how it’s used. So how many people are in?
[MCG]
Yep.
[Missionary Scott]
In debt and our servant to the lender. So those still apply to this day, and the way people are supposed to be treated, it hasn’t gone away and slavery is sort of like this act of marriage. You’re taking the marriage relationship and you’re abusing the life out of it. Yeah. Slavery. It’s supposed to be a servant, not a slave. There’s supposed to be a worker, not an animal.
[MCG]
Right.
[Missionary Scott]
Somebody that you abused, they’re supposed to help you do your job, and you’re supposed to provide for them and care for them. And you’re supposed to have a loving relationship with your servant the goal with the servant was that he would love you. So much he’d never leave you.
[Missionary Scott]
The servant would serve you for a period of time and he could go free, and if he went to the House of the door and took an all and they drilled it through his ear and stuck it to the doorpost, he goes. I will not. Leave my master. I love my master. I will not leave my master. That was supposed to be the relationship of the slaves. It was somebody that was close to you that worked with you to help you. Abraham’s servant went and got his son’s daughter and brought it back. He trusted him with millions of dollars and all kinds of animals. He trusted him with his entire household because they had that close, loving relationship. Whenever we say slavery, it conjures with these ugly ugly.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
Pictures and they say they’re slaves in the Bible. Oh. It was more like a worker employer relationship as opposed to an abusive thing. Slavery and the way we understand it is wrong. But there’s nothing wrong with that worker employer relationship. Do you understand?
[MCG]
Right.
[Missionary Scott]
What I’m saying?
[MCG]
Yeah, definitely I’ve got.
[Missionary Scott]
I’m supposed to be the servant of Jesus Christ. I belong to him. He gives me complete liberty in my life. But I still belong to him and he owns everything I have. And he can take anything away from me that he wants.
[MCG]
Yep.
[Missionary Scott]
To, but because he loves me, I love this relationship.
[MCG]
Right. Yeah. And I think there’s a big distinction because a lot of time, you’re right when Americans mentioned slave, they talk about shadow slavery, which the Bible condemn all throughout. And again, of course, you also mentioned the verse and proverbs, the barriers, servant or slave to the lender a lot of time we look at it and we don’t realize the depth of that. Because most of us have a mortgage and all that stuff or whatever the case may be, and we figure well, I’m not a slave. Yeah, don’t pay for six months and you will see the master servant relationship come out. So definitely. But let’s go into a break and then we’ll come back on the other and then we talk a little bit more about polygamy. You’re listening to the Removing Virus podcast. We’re sitting down with missionaries.
[Jay]
You’ll see that. Yeah.
[MCG]
That, and we’re talking about polygamy, whether it is liberty or what it is, a sin. We’ll be right back.
[MCG]
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[Missionary Scott]
Wow, I didn’t see this question coming and.
[Jay]
Wow, I kind of took it there. I apologize but.
[Missionary Scott]
No, no, it’s OK. Mohammed had multiple wives. His youngest wife was Ayesha. She was six years old when he married her.
[Jay]
Good night.
[Missionary Scott]
She was nine years old when he consummated the relationship. Wow, that is not a marriage that’s pedophilia. That’s a.
[MCG]
Yep, Yep.
[Missionary Scott]
Youth.
[Jay]
Ohh wow. Period.
[Missionary Scott]
No matter who you are, no matter what culture it is, I do not recognize that as a marriage that is abuse. So I wouldn’t accept that and that would break that relationship up as soon as possible and get her away from that monster.
[Jay]
Yeah, for sure.
[Missionary Scott]
That’s a very difficult question, but again that to me is not a marriage. That’s abuse, there’s no consent there. She didn’t know what was going on. Matter of fact, she was very bitter against Mohammed. Most of her life.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
And she was accused of infidel. Melody, I think when she was in her late teens, early 20s and he defended her and protect her, the people wanted to kill her. They didn’t catch her with the man, but she was found alone with the man because she got separated from the caravan or something. He brought her back because she had stopped to find some beads she had dropped in the desert. Or so. I don’t remember all the particulars. Mm-hmm. But she was in danger in Mohammed defended her. And it’s the only reason she survived. But it was a a horrible, horrible relationship.
[MCG]
MHM.
[Missionary Scott]
Again, there’s a lot of things I don’t say about Mohammed because I. Live. Here, Mohammed was a demon possessed pedophile and he came to power because he actually went to the Arabs and he said that he was a prophet and the Arabs said we don’t have any profit. The only people who have prophets are Jews. So if the Jews say your Prophet will accept you as a prophet, he goes to Jews and says I’m a prophet and they laugh at him. Well, he worked himself into a position where he was working as a judge in a city. And there was a instance that came up between an Arab family and a Jewish family. He ruled against the Jewish family and had the Jewish family slaughtered. He went back to the Jews and said, I’m a prophet. And if you don’t say a prophet, what happened to this family is going to happen to all. Of you and look. He’s a prophet baby and then all the Arabs accepted him as a prophet. And then. After the batter of butter, he just started going out and slaughtering people and Islam became the religion of the sword. And he said he was the final prophet and that this stuff that the Jews have about God is true up to this point. But I’m the final word and that’s how Islam took off. And a lot of people don’t know the history about Islam. They don’t know anything about this. It’s really like Catholics in America. They’re born into Muslim families, quite frankly, a Christian should be ashamed of themselves. And compared to the Muslims. A true Muslim prays five times a day. Mm-hmm. They wash themselves before they pray. You don’t pray the same time every day, every day. You have to check the clock to see what time you pray. There’s a schedule for it. You’re only allowed to eat certain things. And the reason you eat these things is because God said. So we do not understand sacrifice. We do not understand discipline. The word disciple comes out of the word discipline. That’s where that word comes from. And there’s no discipline in the Christian faith in America. If I don’t feel well, I don’t go to church. If it’s inconvenient, I’m not going to do it. Tie 10% the plate goes by, I throw $1.00 in.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
That’s a tithe. The word tithe means a 10th, the 1st, 10th of year increase before taxes belongs to God automatically, no questions asked before any other bill gets made. That’s the tithe, and the tithe is the Lord’s. That hasn’t changed. So that’s not a matter of Old Testament law. The tide was given before the law. It was reemphasized in the law. And then Jesus Christ reemphasized in the new testimony says you render unto God, which is gods. And these are that which is Caesar’s. So you have to pay your taxes. The first you give God, what’s his? And the tide is the Lords according to scripture.
[MCG]
Mm-hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
So the 1st 10th belongs to God. He gave it to you so that you can worship him and give it back to him because the word worship comes out the word worth. We’re ascribing worth to him and it’s an act of faith. Yeah. Christianity in America is weak and beggarly and shameful. And when you talk about how wicked these Muslim people are, a lot of these people love God. They’ve just.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
Been lied to.
[MCG]
Yeah.
[Missionary Scott]
They’re people that. Christ died for just like everywhere else. I have met some wonderful, wonderful Muslim.
[MCG]
Yep.
[Missionary Scott]
People and some of the most devoted people, the fruit got to live behind our house, he prayed five times a day. He’d take fruit out of whatever he has to that day. He’d pull a portion of it out and set it behind the stand, and the four people could come and take it away without being seen. He gave to the poor every day. He prayed five times a day. He was a nice guy. His cousin was a big a mom, a famous a mom. When he went to Mecca, he brought me back the eggs.
[MCG]
MHM.
[Missionary Scott]
We talked about Abraham and Sarah. We talked a lot about Scripture. They knew I was a Christian. I knew they were Muslims. We would. Sit and talk, and I’d lift up. Christ, they honor Christ to the Prophet, but they don’t believe he’s the son of God. They think I’m confused. All I can do is keep lifting up Christ into the Holy Spirit reveals himself unto them.
[Jay]
You mentioned earlier the scripture where the Lord says if I be lifted up I will draw all men to myself. All we can do is point them to Christ. But OK. So then polygamy involving children, that’s a non starter. Forget about that. Let’s just cut it off there.
[Missionary Scott]
That’s abuse. That’s abuse. That is not marriage. There’s no consent there.
[Jay]
There’s no consent there. OK, let’s talk about polygamous relationships where you have, say, a husband with multiple wives and. And you are seeking to witness to them to bring the light of Christ, to bring the glorious gospel to them, and not that you can break up their family, but in general, is it ever OK to break up a family or for family to break up because the father has multiple wives?
[Missionary Scott]
I do not do that. I focus on Christ. The Holy Spirit will convince and convict, and he will lead them on what to do now, one of my instructors when I was in school, he worked a lot in Africa. If somebody got saved, you automatically broke up the family. You keep the first wife, throw the rest of them out. I was against that. I’m still against that. If they have been your wife and they’ve been in that relationship and you have children with them. Then that’s your responsibility. For example, I’m married. I have five children. If I have a relationship with another woman that a child is born, how do I get out of that? Do we kill the child? Do we throw the child away? No, I’m disqualified from ministry now.
[MCG]
MHM.
[Missionary Scott]
But I’m still responsible for that child. I have to live with the consequences of my sin. Those marriages are the consequences of my sin. Now I get forgiven of my sin when I ask for forgiveness, but I still have to deal with the consequences. Those relationships are the consequences of my sin. Does that make sense? Especially in cultures where the women are cast out, they’re destitute. There is nothing right about that.
[MCG]
MHM.
[Missionary Scott]
Unless, of course, the church is going to take responsibility for them and provide for them.
[MCG]
Mm-hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
True religion, pure religion before the father, is this that you provide for the widows and the orphans. Churches do not provide for widows and orphans. They could careless. They don’t want people coming to them for money or for food or for clothing, but it’s the church’s job church in America especially does not do its job.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
The Book of James clearly says this is the duty. Of the church. And acts there was an argument and the windows were not cared for in the daily administrations. That was a problem because the widows were the responsibility of the church. But we don’t take care of that in the West. And I say America, but the West across the board does not take care of that and. That is a clear scriptural dictate. That that’s part of our job. We have turned widows over to the state and they’ve given them Marxist education. Our problems all stem from us not doing our job as the church.
[MCG]
Yeah. I was just about to say that the fact that we’re not doing that, the state takes it up and then it becomes a whole another can of worms. And we could talk about that for days.
[MCG]
Yeah. I was just gonna say, what about if the second wife or the third wife? There’s no children. Say, for instance, he has children with the first wife and the second wife or a third wife. And they know children. For instance, in 2008, December 2009, January I was in Papua New Guinea with the camera people up in the tropical rainforest where people wear grass. Hurts living hot.
[Missionary Scott]
Were you with the edisons?
[MCG]
No, I was with the Allens. Yeah. And one of the things that I noticed about the culture and I understood that was explained to me.
[Missionary Scott]
OK.
[MCG]
The culture is that the village people did practice polygamy, man having multiple wives. But the way they will do it is this because for some reason in their culture the man only time he works is if he has to work outside of the home. He does not work inside of the home, but you’re living in a community where there’s no jobs. So basically the man does not work.
[Missionary Scott]
MHM.
[MCG]
But there come a point where their women get older. Of course, in their primitive comma. Like that, she gets older pretty fast. He will take on a second wife when she can’t provide for his needs anymore in terms of cooking and cleaning or whatever, and that’s the way they will practice polygamy. If they have children most of the time you might be with their first wife and not with the second wife. What would you tackle that one? Would you say leave?
[Missionary Scott]
First off. If he gets saved, he has to stand. If the man does not work, he does not eat. That’s the Bible. So he needs to get a job, even if it is to make a job, he needs to be working. They don’t need to provide everything for him. As far as the wife and the children, things go again. I don’t attack that. If they have no children and the wife wishes to leave, she’s welcome to leave as.
[MCG]
Yeah, definitely.
[Missionary Scott]
Far as I’m concerned. But I don’t dictate that to the people and it’s not that I.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
Couldn’t say you have. To do this, this and this, I don’t think it’s my job and my duty #1. And again, it’s the Holy Spirit that convinces and convicts and he provides the answers he provides the healing. He gives the direction. And it’s not a cop out. It’s not that I can’t say this or that. I don’t think it’s right to say this or that you need to be led by the spirit of God. And again, like you talked about the guy, he has to get a new wife. Cause your wife can’t keep up. He needs to get off his hand and and do some.
[MCG]
Yep.
[Missionary Scott]
That’s his duty as a man. Scripture says if you don’t work, you don’t eat. You need to be working. And it’s not her job to provide for you. That’s scripture. Yeah. One of the questions in the past was something about this culture, Trump scripture or how do you interpret Scripture? Through culture? Scripture Trump’s everything. God holds his word above his own name. So Scripture comes before everything else. I lived many years in South Korea and I speak Korean. It’s one of the languages I speak and I was in Korea preaching a series of messages at different churches. There’s a pastor over there. I have a very close relationship with. I love him. I love his family. He arranged all this for me and he actually he bought a phone that I could call my wife from South Korea anytime I wanted to talk to her while I was there. Because, you know, I’m close to my wife and it’s a precious gift to me. And we’re driving to a meeting and I speak to my wife before the meeting and I tell her I love her and I hang up the phone and he goes. I wish I could tell my wife that I said, what do you mean? He goes. That’s not part of our culture. We don’t. Tell our wives we love them. I I would like to tell that to my wife, I said.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
Father, I said. Jesus Christ told his disciples that he loved them and I love your country. I love your people, I. Love you. All the scripture comes before anybody’s culture. And if Christ told his disciples that he loved them, you can tell your wife that you love her. And so he did. He took his wife for a walk down the street. He held her hand and he told her he loved her. Few weeks later, I’m back in the United States. One evening about 6:00, somebody has just beaten my door like crazy. I opened it up and this young Korean guy and the minute I opened the door, he starts screaming in my face and you can’t attack my country. You can’t attack my culture and he’s just yelling at me and. Joseph, what’s wrong? And he goes. You told my pastor that he could tell his wife he loves it and we don’t do that. And it looks better than the people look bad. The village. I’m like, whoa, stop. I told your pastor that Jesus told his disciples that he left them and Jesus is who we follow. And Jesus is who we believe in. And it doesn’t matter what anybody’s culture is. Because Scripture comes first. Jesus comes first, God is love and we are to love other people and it’s OK to say that I love you and it is just fine for your pastor to say I love you. If Jesus can tell his disciples that he loved them and he was still mad.
[MCG]
Yep.
[Missionary Scott]
When he left, I mean. I thought nothing of it when I told him. I just said, you know, there’s nothing to worry about. No big deal. But man, I started war. They’re telling the man that he could say he loved his wife, the cultural things.
[Jay]
Yeah. Wow.
[Missionary Scott]
Are. Deep and you don’t even know what they are half the time. And that’s not just true in South Korea. That’s true all over the world, you don’t even know what you’re getting into sometimes.
[Jay]
Yes. MHM.
[Missionary Scott]
With Scripture, Trump’s culture, I follow Jesus, God is love, Jesus is love and love. In the West. We love and lust are confused because many times people talk about love, what they’re really talking about is lust or infatuation. Love is hanging on that cross. Jesus voluntarily went to the cross. He didn’t get arrested and dragged to the cross. He voluntarily went to the cross, he told Peter and Matthew 2653. Do you not know now that I can call more than 12 legions of angels when Jesus spoke and they asked if he was Jesus and actually said I am, they were knocked to the ground by the power of. His voice, and they still stood up. And.
[MCG]
Mm-hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
Tested him. Peter cut off Malchus’s ear. Christ picked the ear up, healed Malchus in front of all those people. They still arrested him. He voluntarily went with them. There was never one time that Jesus wasn’t out of control, that Jesus couldn’t have just said I’m out of. Here it was. Love that made him hold to that. Cross. For me and for you and all those who believe. And I say all those who believe, in fact, the matter is he tasted death for every man. He died for everybody. Just not. Everybody’s appropriated that salvation. He provided, no matter what the question is no about the problem. Is it all comes down to the person that Jesus.
[MCG]
Right.
[Missionary Scott]
Christ, it doesn’t matter what the culture or the religion or the relationship, it all comes down to your relationship with Christ. That’s all that matters. Everything else is gravy.
[MCG]
And definitely, what do you think people in the West don’t understand about polygamy in, let’s say, in the Muslim community, since we’re talking about culture?
[Missionary Scott]
A lot of the polygamy in this part of the world, what it used to be and what it is, are two different animals. Now it’s a matter of just infatuation. It’s a matter of convenience. Before it was about relationships with other tribes or protection or providing whatever. It’s not that anymore, it’s just lust.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
And it brings misery. I do not know of one polygamist relationship here, and there are many here where there’s any happiness, any peace, any joy, any anything. And how long have you been married now, brother?
[MCG]
11 years.
[Missionary Scott]
11 years.
[MCG]
Going on 12.
[Missionary Scott]
When you met your wife, she blew your socks off. I know that. I don’t even have to ask. I know that because that’s how you got there. Now I’m going to say this and I’m going to say this very carefully and you be careful because she can reach you. She doesn’t do that anymore.
[MCG]
Well, all this is supposed to need because when I met her, I was actually dating and actually got engaged to a different woman before all that broke off and we started dating. So yeah.
[Missionary Scott]
So she blew your socks.
[Jay]
Off, but not anymore. 11 years later. Not anymore.
[Missionary Scott]
Familiarity breeds contempt.
[MCG]
We can do marriage counseling after the podcast.
[Missionary Scott]
Get them wrong with those feelings and that excitement and all that stuff in the beginning. But that’s not love. That’s infatuation. Now you love her. Now you’ve worked with her. You’ve worked for her. You’ve provided for her and with her. And you have this relationship where you depend on each other now and you’ve grown.
[MCG]
Yep, Yep.
[Missionary Scott]
Together this sacrifice this consideration. You don’t go out and hang with the guys and you won’t do anything without asking her because you’re together. Now you’re one. You’re a couple. You love her now. You really didn’t love her when you met her, you were taken by her. You were infatuated with her. She blew your socks off, but you didn’t really love her now.
[MCG]
Right. Right.
[Missionary Scott]
You love her. And after 11 years of marriage, you don’t love her an inch of what you will after 40 years of. Marriage because love.
[MCG]
German.
[Missionary Scott]
Grows, I believe certain parts of the Bible are locked until you reach certain stages of life. Hmm. There are things that are in Scripture that are there for everybody, but you don’t really understand them till you pass through that doorway. Mm-hmm. You don’t understand about grandkids until you.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
Them you don’t understand about marriage until you’re in that relationship. There are things in the Bible that are specifically there and it’s wide open for everybody to see, but you don’t get it until you pass through that door. And as much as you love her now, you’re going to love her so much. The more in the future.
[MCG]
What? Amen.
[Missionary Scott]
As long as you walk with price and you continue to be together, yeah, it’s just the way. Things are, you know. David said to Jonathan David said of Jonathan rather, that his love for Jonathan surpassed the love. Of women and homosexuals rights point to that, saying that Jonathan and David had a homosexual relationship, and that’s a lie. That’s not true.
[Jay]
Right. That’s right.
[Missionary Scott]
What it was is that Jonathan was David’s confidant. He told his heart to Jonathan. They commune together. They had this really close, tight buddy relationship. He was supposed to have that with his wife, but he never had it with his wife because he didn’t have a wife. He had wives.
[MCG]
MHM. Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
And he never really learned to commune with his wife, to trust in his wife. You know, I could wreck your afternoon. I could ask you a bunch of questions about your wife, but theoretically, you should know the answer to that. You don’t. And then after this conversation, you’re in trouble.
[MCG]
Right. Have you seen anyone in a polygamous relationship? Polygyny at this point on your field where that person got saved? Have you seen that?
[Missionary Scott]
I haven’t personally. I know if people have. I haven’t personally, OK, and most people.
[MCG]
OK.
[Missionary Scott]
That is a barrier because they don’t want to change their life.
[MCG]
Yep, Yep.
[Missionary Scott]
Even though they’re unhappy, they don’t want to change their life. In my ministry, I have not seen people with multiple wives come to Christ.
[MCG]
Yeah, yeah. But you deal with it all the time in terms of the society.
[Missionary Scott]
It’s all around us here.
[MCG]
Wow.
[Missionary Scott]
By the way, as the economy improves, that starts dropping off. Now, economy is not the answer. Do not get me wrong, the economy is not the answer. But when people have more money, they don’t do as drastic things to get by, right, right. For example, I went to Korea for the very first time in the early 90s.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[MCG]
Mm-hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
And when I walked out the front gate that was airman and I was in the Air Force. When I walked out the front gate of Osan Air Base, there were 52 bars in a row that went straight. Down from the main. Gate to the railroad tracks 52 bars, and farmers would sell their daughters to the bars and they called them juice girls and they would be for comfort, women or entertainment.
[MCG]
Ohh wow.
[Missionary Scott]
And that type of thing, if you walked out the main gate of Osan Air Base, now it’s a shopping. Because the economy has improved so much, the farmers don’t sell their daughters anymore. And a lot of that stuff, it’s not that it doesn’t exist. It’s been pushed to the back and it’s not as prevalent anymore. And it doesn’t happen as much because people don’t take such desperate, drastic measures to try to.
[MCG]
Right.
[Missionary Scott]
Get by.
[MCG]
I’m curious because you of course you have 5 kids and four have left home already. You’re grown, but your last daughter. How do you explain this around her polygamy and all these things around her being so young?
[Missionary Scott]
She doesn’t ask. Hmm, shouldn’t pay attention. To it, Lord has been very, very good to me. There’s a lot of things I’ve never had to deal with. My kids have never been in jail, they’ve never been caught stealing, and they may have stole, I don’t know, but they’ve been caught stealing. There’s a lot of things I have not had to deal with.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[MCG]
Amen.
[Missionary Scott]
And it’s a gift from the Lord, but at the same token, we read the Scriptures to the kids when they were little, and we prayed with them and we took them to church. I was very blessed. I’m a member of the Temple Baptist Church in Powell, TN. Doctor Clarence Sexton was my pastor for more than 20. Years and he was an incredible man of God and he had incredible men of God to preach for him. My kids sat under Raymond Barber just, you know, giants of the faith that my kids got to hear as children growing up. It’s incredible. They got issues. They’re like everybody else. But I think that my wife and I were protected from a lot of stupidity. Because of where we had them and who we had them sit. If that makes sense.
[MCG]
Yeah, yeah. Raymond Barber, preacher and Chapel at PCC. Several times when I was there. Yeah. He’s one of those preachers. Yep.
[Missionary Scott]
He just quoted Scripture just ad nauseam, just keeps on coming and coming like Hallelujah.
[MCG]
Oh yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, we go to off topic here, but I find it to be so much more powerful and I wish I could do that, but I find it to be so much more powerful when you preaching and you can just quote the scripture. Then reading it, but that’s might just be me, but.
[Jay]
Tom Farrell was like that.
[Missionary Scott]
I’m 100% with both of you as far as that’s concerned. My problem is my pastor told me to always use the Bible because it points people to the Bible. If I stand up and quote tons and tons of Scripture, people go wow what a guy. But if I’m always in the Bible, I’m showing them that they need to go to the Bible. That and I’m chicken because I know that when I stand up in front.
[MCG]
Right.
[Missionary Scott]
Of a group of people and I go to quote from memory I’m going to mess it up.
[MCG]
Yeah.
[Missionary Scott]
There’s a handful of verses that I have nailed down, but her mind to keep, but when I go to speak on large subject, I mess it up sometimes. So I always like to go. And just read it.
[MCG]
I’ll give you a pass. You speak multiple languages, so you’re probably confused.
[Missionary Scott]
I’ll give you one worse they’re listed differently in different languages like Galatians 220 is actually part of three different verses in one of the languages I speak. Here.
[MCG]
Oh wow.
[Missionary Scott]
The end of 19 and the first part of 20, so Galatians 220 is not one verse in this language. It’s part of three the chapter and verse divisions are not inspired.
[MCG]
Oh wow.
[Missionary Scott]
The scripture is but our reference points aren’t.
[MCG]
Cool.
[Jay]
You haven’t personally seen anyone involved in polygamy in any fashion, whether it’s polygyny or polyandry, you’ve never seen anyone get saved you personally, but you said that you’ve seen it happen on the field. Is that what you said? I wanna make sure I got that right. OK. So do you happen to know how that was addressed when I imagine they heard the gospel from someone and. They got saved. I would like to know how did that polygamist relationship play out after salvation? Did they just continue with it or?
[Missionary Scott]
To be honest with you, I do not know because I. Do not ask. I know the few instances of salvation that I know of. One of the wives got saved and then in time the guy got saved and then it spread through the. That’s what I have seen and one instance one of the ladies refused to. I know she left for a fact because she thought everybody else had been apostate Islam and she left. But for the most part, everything I’ve seen lady get saved than the guy. As a general rule.
[MCG]
MHM.
[MCG]
The lady first. Ohh wow, I would imagine the guy would have gotten face first.
[Missionary Scott]
Women are more spiritual than men. As a general rule. Yeah, as an aside.
[MCG]
Right.
[Missionary Scott]
To that, there are ladies called in the missions and people don’t want to support single women admissions. Only a woman can speak to Muslim women. A man cannot speak to Muslim women.
[MCG]
M. Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
And God has given a special gift to women that he did not give to men. They have that mothering aspect to them. If you read mission histories like Mary Slessor and Gladys Alward and Gladys Alward walked into a men’s prison and basically put everybody in their place because she was like their mom. You know, if a guy walked in there, they’d hacked him up with axes.
[MCG]
Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
But they’re not going to lay a hand on that woman because. She’s the mom.
[MCG]
Right.
[Missionary Scott]
And you know, there’s two sides to that women, you know, some men will attack a woman, other respect the mother figure. So, I mean, there’s two sides to that coin, but there’s something special about a woman, that there’s things that only a woman can do that a man can’t do. So, you know, we don’t support single women. You’re an idiot. If God’s called her and you recognize that God’s called, you support that girl.
[MCG]
MHM.
[MCG]
Yep. Yeah, I even see that in the US because you know, I knock on doors and I’ve noticed if I knock on a door and Muslim woman answered the door, she never talked to me over all the years I’ve done it is one time where Muslim women actually stood out. Don’t talk with me all the other times, she either say no, I can’t speak. Ohh she go and get her husband or brother. Never. She never had it come to.
[MCG]
Yeah, it’s very much a thing. I remember being deployed to the Middle East and even when the service members had operations outside the wire, they would take female service members with them because you could not interact in any fashion with the women, couldn’t look at them, they couldn’t look at you, none of that. And so they would have women go. And do all the searches and talking to them and trying to get them to do whatever was necessary for the mission at that particular point. But no, the intersection between men and women just not happening in the.
[MCG]
Muslim world? Yeah, even the Taliban. Just recently I was reading that they cracking down and the woman and they said no, they actually. Institute a law that say a woman can even talk to another woman right now, you know. So it’s yeah, the laws and culture and those rules are different.
[Missionary Scott]
Let me pull it back for just a second. At the very beginning of this thing. I told you. I had my house full of children with my daughter, playing games and stuff. Two of the mothers came. One of them is a non believing woman. She has no faith to speak of. The other is a devout Muslim.
[MCG]
Yes.
[Missionary Scott]
But when she came, she took off her headscarf and she sat in our kitchen. And when I first met her, she wouldn’t even address me, and she wanted to talk to me about certain things. And she said on one side of the room. And I sat on the other side of the room and her and this other unbelieving woman asked me questions all evening while the kids. Like I sat over next to the sink, they sat at the dining room table. There’s about 15 feet between us, but I just sat there and they brought this up. I didn’t. I wasn’t even going to stay in the room. I brought in chairs and she called out to me first and asked questions. And that’s very unusual.
[MCG]
Hmm. Hmm.
[Missionary Scott]
But my wife is praying for these ladies. She wants to see them saved and she’s done everything she can to talk to them. And they know what I do. So they asked me questions. By the way. Her right arm was Black where her husband had been abusing her. So it’s not theoretical. I know exactly what I’m talking about, if that makes sense, and this is important. People in America, people in the West in general need to engage. You know, we have more wealth, 95% of the world’s wealth is found in America.
[MCG]
Right.
[MCG]
MHM.
[Missionary Scott]
But we’re more worried about our 401K in our house and our car than we are fulfilling the Commission. We need to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature, and that means all the uncomfortable places. And John Chapter 4, Jesus went to the woman at the well. He ran to get there. He wearied himself to get there. He spoke to her. He revealed himself unto her. She got safe.
[MCG]
Yep.
[MCG]
Alright brother. So let’s answer the question. I think we already answered it, but let’s. Pointed is a person living in a polygamous relationship, living in sin or they exercising their liberty in Christ.
[Missionary Scott]
It is a sin to be involved in polygamy, even if they’re saved, and they still have spouses. They’re dealing with the consequences of sin. I wouldn’t say they’re living in sin. They’re living in the consequences of sin. That is my statement. And it warned you up front that you might not agree.
[MCG]
No, no. Personally I’m leaning to agree with you. I do agree with you that breaking up a relationship that are already going on, especially in a culture where the woman and the children, supposedly if you say let’s keep the first wife and the others have to go, you’re breaking up a family. They might be destitute if they leave and stuff like that. So I do agree with you that I think that the man has the responsibility there now. All the fine details of it that go into my mind, it might not even be important, but the point remains that man has responsibility and in the US probably, I would say definitely because I don’t think the same in terms of the woman would be destitute and stuff like that.
[MCG]
Yes.
[Missionary Scott]
It’s not the same.
[MCG]
So I think that might be a little bit different in terms of and of course with the laws here, you would have to still provide child support and stuff like that, but in area.
[Missionary Scott]
Well, polygamy is technically illegal in the states, but it doesn’t get prosecuted.
[MCG]
Right. And you know, in areas.
[Missionary Scott]
If people don’t even marry anymore.
[MCG]
Like. Yeah, that’s true. Yeah. But I’m thinking about in areas like Africa and where you are and stuff like that. I think that you definitely have a point there. Say, hey, continue the where you are no more. I would say they definitely don’t add any. Wife.
[Missionary Scott]
It ends here. It ends here. Many children that come out polygamous relationships live with just one woman when they come to adulthood.
[MCG]
Hmm, I wonder why.
[Missionary Scott]
Well, how many wives did Isaac have? Job job was the richest man in the east, and Joe knew the scriptures.
[Missionary Scott]
God bragged about job Satan. God picked the fight. Satan didn’t pick the fight, and Job says I shouldn’t even think want to.
[MCG]
Right.
[Missionary Scott]
If anybody could afford to. Have multiple wives. If anybody had the right to have multiple wives, it would be Job and Job said it’s wrong to even think about a mate.
[Jay]
Your point?
[Missionary Scott]
He had one wife, by the way. This wife was so good, first God, and died. She wasn’t perfect either. Yeah. But Joe loved her.
[MCG]
I just heard the Sunday School class and job, I think, he said a camel. It’s worth what, $1200? Around that and you’ve had several 1000 camels, so that alone make him a multimillionaire, so.
[Missionary Scott]
Yes, there’s a lot of things about Jobe. Joe loved his wife and he also recognized her pain. She just lost all her children. Yeah, there’s nothing more important to a mom than her kids. I just preached this last Sunday. And the Book of Isaiah 49. It talks about the shall mother forget her sucking child that she should not have compassion on the child of her womb. Something like. When a child is born, its vision is only as good from the crook of its mother’s arm to her face.
[MCG]
MHM.
[Missionary Scott]
The child’s whole world is its mother and quite frankly, the mother’s whole world is the child. When it’s first born.
[MCG]
Yep.
[Missionary Scott]
That is the best physical relationship that a human being is capable of is the love between a mother and a child. And God said, even our best relationship fails in comparison to his.
[MCG]
Amen. Missionary, Scott. It is indeed a pleasure. Thank you for joining us on the Removing Barriers podcast.
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