Episode 183

The King James Bible, first published in 1611, has long been revered for its majestic prose and perceived accuracy. But what makes it stand out in our modern world of shifting norms and the new bible translations to suit them? In this episode of the Removing Barriers podcast, we interview recurring guest Shawn Henly of Cross Crusaders about the KJV Bible and why many Christians choose it to the exclusion of all other Bible versions. Shawn Henley is a staunch advocate for the KJV, that it is God’s perfectly preserved word for English-speaking people. He argues that while translations are not inspired, the KJV’s source manuscripts (the Textus Receptus and the Masoretic Text) are the most faithful representations of the original biblical texts. Discover the history, myths, and controversies surrounding the KJV, and why some believe it to be the ultimate English translation. You won’t want to miss this episode!

[Shawn Henly]

What determines where we spend eternity is not. If you use the King James Bible, it’s not. If you read a King James Bible, it’s not. If you read an NIV, it’s not. If you read the LSV, it’s if you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Thou shalt be saved.

[Jay]

Thank you for tuning in to the Removing Barriers podcast. I’m Jay and I’m MCG. And we’re attempting to remove barriers so we can all have a clear view of the cross.

[MCG]

This is episode 183 of the Removing Barriers Podcast, and in this episode, we will be discussing why the KJV Bible. And joining us in this episode is our guest from Episode 160, the President of Cross crusaders Shawn Henly.

[Jay]

Hi, this is Jay. MCG and I would like for you to help us remove barriers by going to: removingbarriers.net and subscribing to receive all things, removing barriers. If you’d like to take your efforts a bit further and help us keep the mics on, consider donating at removingbarriers.net/donate, removing barriers a clear view of the cross.

[MCG]

Shawn, it is indeed a pleasure and welcome back to the Removing Barriers podcasts.

[Shawn Henly]

It certainly is a pleasure to be here. Thanks for. Having me back.

[MCG]

Great. So, the last time we spoke, you were busy in the process of creating and releasing the first season of truth prevail it.

[Shawn Henly]

That’s correct.

[MCG]

Tell the folks how they can listen to it. How did? That go and everything, yeah.

[Shawn Henly]

Yes, certainly, certainly. So when we talked, we were very early in the process, but right now all episodes are public. So if you just type in truth prevail at season 1, on Google, you’ll be able to very easily find like it’s just stack by God’s grace, the SEO worked very wonderfully where even if you just type in truth prevail the whole thing just loads up. So just go to YouTube. Truth pro. Season 1 and you’ll see the full playlist episodes one through 15 and 15. This is the finale, which we did on August 23rd this year. By God’s grace, it went very, very well. And in terms of feedback, you know, we got people from across the world even tuning in. And The funny thing is. Is The funny thing is, is that when I made this documentary, you know, I was like, OK, well, this is King James Bible. This is for English speaking people. That’s what the, you know, the translations for. But it turns out the majority of people from Africa, India and those regions were the ones majority of them tuning in and actually asking questions, sending the. Emails than people in the United States, and I found that very, very interesting. So, but it’s been wonderful and a lot of people, a lot of churches are asking questions. A lot of people are doing it so slow and steady. But it wins the race.

[MCG]

Yeah, two things on that, because I was born and raised in the Caribbean and it wasn’t until I came to the US where the translation was an issue. So I believe one of the reasons why you’re hearing from a lot of people across the pond is because I don’t think the issue is as big there as it is here in the US. So I wonder if that might be one of the issues there.

[Jay]

MHM. That’s a good.

[Shawn Henly]

Possibility, yeah.

[MCG]

All right. Well, tell folks what’s in their plans, what’s the future for cross crusaders?

[Shawn Henly]

Yeah. So right now, cross crusaders generally, you know, we’re not just a documentarily, you know ministry and our goal is to share the gospel with people. And what our dynamic as they ministry in its entirety is more so focused around, you know, being that process really so. We provide resource churches, you know, so that the churches can do the outreaching evangelism. Now those people lost converts became, I mean, lost souls become. The converts. Then we provide discipleship material. You know we have Bible study resources on our website and our YouTube channel, so people can grow in the Lord. And of course, they’re part of the local church, which is the most important for growth. And being discipled by a local church, then you know discernment material, which is where truth prevailed, comes in. So the point really. So our ministers really to cover the entire package really from bringing a person from a lost soul all the way to being able to fight. Fight to bring about discernment and fight the evil that is thrown at them. That’s really where we’re at and really in terms of the future of truth prevailed. Right now, as 2 date season 2 right now is being edited right now, so one is being reviewed. Episode 2 is currently brought being edited. There’s a total of 9 episodes and 9th 1 is a finale, but there’s still of nine episodes for season 2. Do and we’re not releasing the topic of the subject just yet. That’s going to be released on our YouTube channel on the 1st week of January 1st, Friday of January. To be more specific, that’s we’ll release what the subject of season 2 is. But other than that, we’re also working on season 3, writing out the outline for each of the episodes, working on episode 5 right now. And there’s going to be approximately 12. So it’s at the end of the day. So yeah, so we’re looking, Lord willing, to start writing Season 3 episode 1 onwards around 1 to 1 1/2 months, hopefully by New Year’s basically.

[MCG]

Cool. Do you have any plans to package these up and put them on DVD’s or anything?

[Shawn Henly]

So I did actually get that request 2 * 1 from a pastor and one from a relative, you know, because the relative was like, well, I have a DVD player at home. I don’t want to do cloud, but the pastor is the one that got me thinking a bit more is, you know, there’s going to be a time where the government sort of start regulating what you can watch on the Internet. And so you still want resources.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Shawn Henly]

To be available for study purposes and such. So we’re thinking about it right now in terms of ministries funding right now you know we’re allocating it all for the development of the series. So the Lord is providing just enough for. Us to move. Forward, but you know I have to also make sure that we don’t overspend and we appropriate budget accordingly, but that isn’t the possibility. Yes, we would have a confirmation on that by mid 2025.

[MCG]

Cool. Well, I tell you some of the things that you guys talk about were new to me and some of it I didn’t learn until I was in college. So definitely some good stuff there. Well, let’s get into it, Shawn. Let’s talk about why the KJV. Firstly, let’s have you define your KJV only position. Let’s start, dear.

[Shawn Henly]

Yes, certainly. So I believe that the King James Bible is God’s perfectly preserved word for the English speaking people. I do not believe, in fact, that the King James Bible. The translation is inspired. Inspiration pertains only to what was it written in originally. The translation is not doubly inspired as what some people call it, double inspiration or doubly inspired. So that is what I believe about the King James Bible in terms of the only position.

[Jay]

Why are you so passionate about this issue?

[Shawn Henly]

Yes, the passion. So the. Why I’m so passionate about this issue is because, you know, I was not always a king. James Onliest, you know, I was born and raised and born again, brother and household from, you know, an early age. And pretty much, you know, I was taught truths. And, you know, the fact that this group of brethren, it’s not like men and I brethren or Plymouth brethren, it’s like, brethren missionaries went to India and evangelized in India and you know that’s how my grandparents got saved. And there was like that kind of sect of brethren. And you know when they came. Into America for them, you know, English translation is not really big thing. It’s like, oh, it’s all a Bible because now in Malayalam, the native tongue we speak, there wasn’t a lot of translation. Just one malam translation. So they come to America, you know, these Malay people, they come to America and they’re like, oh. Well, OK. Well, this must be a good thing because you know, God’s word is more broken down. And you know, there’s a Bible for everyone. You know, we didn’t have that in India. You know? So they thought of it as a good opportunity. And, you know, when it came to the NKJV, some people would say NG’s good and NIV, my own mother, in fact, one time, she initially when getting married and coming from India. Or to America, she got an NIV. And when she was sitting in a church service here in America, she was looking at verse in one of the verses. Was missing and that’s when one of the Bible study leaders said that the NIV is missing a lot of versus. What’s more, the KJV is the best translation, but new King James is like second best, which has more understandable English and such. And so that’s where she started with the new King James version. And that’s what I was mostly raised up with because of that reason because I was home. School due to my dairy allergies. So she was the one taught me. That’s the whole reason why she gone to an English Bible. In the 1st place is to teach me and from there onwards from a new King James I came and studied and studied and studied right now some people call it deconstructing to say the least, deconstructing from those when you memorize scripture in one translation and you become a King James club believer, you know it’s like. Quote Scripture and like oh, this is. New King James what? Am I doing so? It’s like I have to relearn the whole thing, but really. As I got in the ministry, you know I became a reformed in 2021 and you know start going for the SV because of something reformed Community uses a lot the SVN, ASV and so to fit in with that you know study guides and stuff. I use the SV but really what got me looking to the King James is you know really. I knew about the King James dilemma. I knew a lot of people called King James. Only it’s like crazy. The people and you know, they’re completely illogical, do not mingle with them. They’re like cults. Some people go as far as they are occult, and I can’t blame them because I personally like had to disassociate with some churches that were cultish around the King James, which is that’s a whole other discussion. I don’t want to get there. But you know, I knew at a point in time in November of 2020. Too, you know, I realized to myself that what I was doing, you know, with the SV, I thought I was doing everything right. I was reformed, you know, I was against all those progressive things I was debating all these heretics. I was doing a good job. I thought I was doing good job. But then, you know, like something doesn’t feel right. One day I was listening to a Paul washer sermon and auto played. To the next sermon. Why? I believe by King James Bible. And it was that sermon inspired by what my mother taught me. You got to know the reason why you believe what you. Leave knowing the reason, and so I thought to myself. OK well, why am I against the king? James and I look more the issue I saw about the source manuscript, which is the most key defining issue. The King James only has crowd used to defend their position. The modern translations use the critical text and the King James Bible. The correct translation uses the received text and so I looked into that saw. Constantine Simonides and the Titian Dorf and all that such and from there I was like. All right, that’s it. All right, I am no. Under a reformed guy, I am an independent fundamental Baptist and I believe in the King James Silas. Scotts preserved work for the speaking. And just to correct the date, it’s not November 2022, it’s November 2021. And I became a King James. Only it’s officially on January 2022.

[MCG]

All right, you use a lot of terms there. What do you mean when you say the KJV dilemma? Explain that.

[Shawn Henly]

Yes. So the KJV dilemma is really where. So it actually is, it’s a little bit, how do I say it’s a little bit complicated because the KJV dilemma lines into. 22 criterias I would put into two criterias. There would be 1 criteria which is a cult like behavior and then there’s the other area which is what I’m personally fighting against now with literal churches right now or this issue is the fact that and when I say fighting I don’t mean I’m fighting with the pastor. And I am in deep discussion with them right in sincerity or the. Issue I’m not causing war to worry, but is the fact that they’re saying that we need to leave the King James, we need to go ahead and you know we have the MV, we have the King James simplified with the King James, 21st century version. And we have all of these things. Then there’s a third semi section which is a group of people that saying we read like you go to the statement of faith. Many independent apple websites. We believe in the soul inerrancy of the King James Version 16. 7 buddy, you’re not using the 1611 nobody in your church is going to read a 1611. I can tell you that right now. So that dilemma really stems into those 3 avenues and I address it as a dilemma because it is a split because the devil already used these modern translations to split Christians on the final authority to faithfully preserved.

[MCG]

Yep.

[Shawn Henly]

For God. But now there’s even a bigger split occurring within the King James while believing crowd to get them fighting within each other, because Satan does not want people uniting over the final authority. And so that’s what I referred to as the KJV dilemma.

[MCG]

Yeah, it’s funny you said that because I went to a college. Where they describe themselves as KJV only, and they make a big distinction between KJV only and only KJV. And of course, you talk about doubly inspired. There are people that are that believe that of course the KJV itself inspired. I personally don’t believe that. But you also mentioned, of course, that, you know, the 1611. And I remember.

[Jay]

Mm-hmm.

[MCG]

Join Chapel, one of the history teachers actually went up and said, hey, here are the proofs why no one is using the 1611. Because of course I just say one. No one probably will be able to read it. You know, if you look at some of the texts, of course, English has changed a lot over the years, especially from since they’re 1700. So yeah. Definitely. All right, So what makes a kid you’ve so superior to the other English translation? Let’s get into that goes deep as you feel like you need to go. Why is it that the English translation, the KJV, is superior?

[Shawn Henly]

Yeah. So basically making the case to become a. King James Bible believer. OK. Well, quick plug here just. Watch the truth period season 1. That’s like the easiest thing to do, but I know I need to answer this question, so don’t worry but. What makes it superior? So here’s a reality situation. Like I mentioned earlier, Billy Brother told my mother that the King James version is the best translation and. I’m very specific about words. So the reason why especially mentioned KJV only and such, there’s a difference between only best and superior, because what happens is first let’s address this translations people, society, the Christian world to be more specific, sees translations as OK well some people rank this as top, some people ranked as. They’re literal rank list like tier rank list made for translations based on readability, and I’ve made a whole video on that. Readability issues separately, detached from fruits prevalent but coming back to the point. Here what matters is the fact that there has to be God’s faithful preserve. Word has to be one translation. There is no other leeway in other space, so to speak, for other translations. So that’s why, first and foremost, I always say I’m a KJV only to you know, people who are not my fellow King James Bible believers. But amongst ourselves, we always refer to ourselves as King James Bible believers, because nothing else is in the mix. Nothing else adds up, including the MV and the new King James version. So now to speak more in terms of why it’s superior. You know from that perspective, really we gotta break this down into two areas. We gotta understand the source manuscript first. That’s the first dilemma. Once you understand if the source is corrupt, then everything that is breeded. From it is all corrupt, like you don’t even need to think about it. I don’t care if it’s easy. I don’t care if you’re 1 year old, can read it and you promote that as an advertiser. And if it’s based out of a corrupt manuscript, it’s not God’s faithfully preserved word. Now, that is where the whole critical tech situation comes in, and that’s something I direct viewers to watch episode #4 four through 6. On that issue, we go over very deeply about two manuscripts, specifically, Codex signee Atticus CODIS, Vaticanus. Codex Vaticanus nobody knows where it originated from. Nobody knows where it came from. All of a sudden. In the late 1400s, out of nowhere it comes from the Vatican Library. Oh my goodness, this is the best thing ever to. This push it out. That’s literally how it was. But then we look at Codex Sinicus, there’s a lot of history there, but just to be very brief and condense it a bit. Pretty much guy named Sam Adonis. He’s a very good guy, knows what he’s doing and you know, he was actually riding out, you know, a portion of a manuscript to send to the SAR of Russia at that time, the Tsar. And at that point, during the transportation, you know, many of this manuscripts was aligned loosely with the text, the biblical text. As a gift to that Tsar. Now during that it went over to the monastery at Mount Sinai where, you know, they were passing it along those routes. And then Tischendorf after his meeting with the Pope, went ahead over there and surprisingly found that in the wastebasket. Those manuscripts which then Tischendorf went over took those manuscripts, created a compilation, added in some words, and if you actually go, there’s a project released by the British. Library called the Codex Sinicus, which was actually released I believe, in 2008, if I’m not mistaken. You can see there in that manuscript Codex Sinicus you look up there. They made the mistake of pushing it up there for everyone to read. You can see there’s additional inscription. You can very see that very clearly if it’s God’s fatally preserved word, it should only been written once. Why is there other inscriptions or erasing’s, or you will see on the corner or simony signature used to be those areas. The edges are all burned up. There’s those marks now. Doctor David Brown, the president of the King James Bible Research Council. Actually challenged, he wrote an official letter to the British Library because they wanted to do a dating on the text, you know, to actually dated because they say this is all this. Manuscript. But they did not allow Doctor Brown to date it. In fact, they allowed no one. To do. Those kinds of dating. Now, here’s a reality situation if. So confident if the British Library, so confident that products any Atticus is in fact the oldest manuscript, like it’s not even getting Doctor Brown to do it, why don’t they themselves even do a dating test to see how dated actually is and then release it to the public? Like make a press release and be like, hey, we dated it. You know, here’s the proof. Here’s all the stuff for all the nerd people. You can read it or understand it and you’ll see it. They never did that. So that’s really where I’m going to stop right there. But again, review back from Episode 5 onwards and it goes very deeply there. But this is as condensed I could get without it losing context.

[MCG]

Right. But even if they did it it who? Would believe them.

[Shawn Henly]

Could you repeat that again?

[MCG]

If they should, did this manuscript, would you believe them? Who would believe? Yeah.

[Shawn Henly]

Well, you’re. I mean, you’re correct, even if the British Library themselves dated the manuscript, you know, again there would be speculation as to were they truly being honest, which is why I would personally recommend. I was just saying, even they themselves didn’t do it. They could have the opportunity to say, OK, like it’s fine, but they themselves didn’t even do it, but. From a real practical perspective, I would say having an independent third party actually do it that no one has any control over a real independent third party. Those would be the results that we can actually trust, right? Not anyone with any bias. And to answer your question, that’s just to answer for the critical to. This part for the modern translations. Now let’s move over into another element of this which is ohh, but it’s based on the Masoretic Text and the Texas Receptis translations, like the modern English version. The translations, like the new King James version. It’s a very, very tight competition between King James and New King James. It’s very, very common result. Here’s the thing I challenge. All. The listeners here, if you have a new King James, go to your preface. Some versions like they have like some study Bibles they they don’t have a preface but the generic new King James version or specific editions like try to get your hands on one that isn’t overly branded because they tend to remove it. But in the preface itself if you look at the bottom. You will see around like Page 6, page 7. It will say in the footnotes it mentions very clearly that they have versus tagged as N new text. This is from the N new text these specific. Portions of the text in the new King James. So the end they themselves define is the Nestle Island Greek New Testament and EU stands for the United Bible Society’s third Greek edition text. So what’s happening here? Not only is the basis correct, OK, don’t get me wrong, but they’ve infused certain elements within the new King James.

[MCG]

MHM.

[Shawn Henly]

With the corrupt manuscript, the Nestle Aland text and the United Bible Societies text which. Based from this Codex, Sinicus and Vaticanus stuff. So because of that infusion, you know you can have a good bottle of water here. It’s empty. You’re gonna bottled water, insert some rat poison, a drop of it. It’ll look fine. You drink it, you’re still gonna get poisoning. And just to clarify something, I’m not saying that you’re gonna lose your salvation because you, you know, you read another translation. But what I’m saying is, when you have God’s faithfully preserved word, why would you go for something that’s subpar?

[Jay]

I hope you go into that a little more because there are people on the other side of the argument that would say, well, no language is a living, breathing thing. So how can the KJV possibly be God’s preserved word? Can you go into what are some of the myths and controversies surrounding the KJV and your response to those?

[Shawn Henly]

Yes, so the myths and controversy surrounding the King James Bible, that’s actually the reason why I’m smiling here is because that’s actually a very specific element. Like the topic that I covered at the finale. So let me actually. Just pull this up right here on my end because I want to address this very correctly. So pretty much there are several elements here. To answer your question real quick, if I can just find this thing, there we go. All right. OK. So. The mids and confer surrounding King James Bible was King James the homeless. Actual the king Jake Bible has the Apocrypha. It can be trust, and this goes down a little bit with that 1611 thing. That’s even my mother showed me just literally yesterday showed me how one guy was saying, hey, my beloved KJV brothers and sisters in Christ here is proof why you’re King James can’t be trusted and he literally pulls out a dusty old 1611 and says, here’s the Apocrypha.

[MCG]

Oh wow.

[Shawn Henly]

But that’s the second point. Third Point you can be saved only through the King James Bible. Point #4 the King James cannot be read because it is archaic. Old English basically point #5. We have a new King James. It’s the same thing as the old one. Just better words. And I addressed the new King James just now. Number six. No crucial doctrines are changed in modern versions. #7, you are crazy. The for being a King James own list and you’re splitting churches. And here’s my favorite 1 William. Order, wrote the King James Bible.

[MCG]

Oh wow.

[Shawn Henly]

And the last one we covered was the King James Bible supersedes the Greek and the Hebrew. So these are very common ones. I had to dig real hard just to find that William Shakespeare thing. But like a very small group of people believe that because, like Shakespeare and English and his influence was large at the time, but it was created by, like, companies of people and King. James himself was not involved in the translation process, which even number one, you know, we have records of his memoirs and letters and stuff to his. Life to show that he was in fact in love with her. Another element they say for that homosexual part is the fact that ohh. But he was sleeping with the guards or something. But we proved the fact that it was very customary for the Royal Guards to always sleep by the bed off. You know, the king in the event of an attack or an ambush. And then another thing is. Even if he was a homosexual. Will you know? Because they use the fact that he’s a homosexual. Be like, oh, he’s a homosexual. You know, King James Bible. You know, King James commented dominator here. So his Bible is gay or his gay influence Bible. He had no influence, no writing, nothing over. He had a team already commissioned to do that job. And you know, in honor of King James. They just put his name, King James Bible. That’s it.

[MCG]

Yeah, interesting. So tell me, would you fellowship with a brother or sister who uses a Bible that’s not KJV?

[Shawn Henly]

Absolutely. I even do that right now. I even fellowship with the I can’t really say Fellowship fellowship, but I have, like, back when I was a foreman, I used to debate Muslims. You know, many of those Muslims, you know, they still check on me. I still check on them and they’re like, hey, brother, you know, I know we have our differences, but, you know, we believe in what you’re doing. We’re fighting for the truth of the King James, because they’re also very tired of seeing the progressive slide of Christ. Reality and you know they want to see actual, real change take place. But coming back to your question, your fellowshipping with a brother or sister. I believe that in fact you know is the fact that this aligns more to the gospel because fellowshipping and not just the gospel, but more heresy per say is the translation issue is an important issue. Because it’s an issue of the final authority. But many people like, even I once was. I once was a non King James Onliest. I thought King James. Only people were crazy. Yes, I used to think that and, but now I don’t and I understand that a lot of the times that society and Satan, who is the the author of confusion, has confused people and you know, God gave me the light and the truth of his word and understanding and discernment and my job as a believer in the gospel and believer in Christ. Is to share that truth with others you know, not sugar coating it not going and beating around the Bush just straight out forward. This is the facts. This is who Wescott and Hort really are. It’s no, it’s not a myth. These people were occult practitioners, and the cult believe. And these are the people who are basically the fathers of your modern texts, and pretty much, you know, I just do that with all my heart and sincerity and trusting in God that he will be the one to convict the hearts and souls of these people. But until then, you know, I will just fellowship with them. I won’t, you know, preach at their churches. I won’t preach at a church. That’s not. King James only I will not, you know, endorse a church. I will not financially support a church as a ministry or person. That will not do such things. But, you know, checking in on them, visiting their house. Being with their families, you know? Yes, I will. Absolutely do that.

[MCG]

All right. Well, let’s go into a little bit of a break then we’ll pick up from the other end. You’re listening to the Removing Barriers podcast. We are sitting down with the President of Cross Crusaders, Shawn Henley, and we’re discussing why the KJV Bible will be right. Back.

[Jay]

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[MCG]

Alright, Shawn, we will continue.

[Jay]

I’m curious to hear what your opinion is on this and what you say, because the KJV has been revised several times and people would say, you know, revisions are the same thing as changes or corrections and that’s why you can’t trust the KJV. What do you say to people who would say that revisions equate to weakness and? Translations.

[Shawn Henly]

Yes, that’s a very good question. That’s something I get very commonly as well, especially when I was dealing with this from my own relatives, you know, so revisions equating to weakness. Here’s the reality of the situation. So the revisions that took place, you know, a lot of people say, oh, we just believe the King James Bible, you know, flat out 1611. So like I mentioned 1611, you cannot understand the 1611, but what happened was there were several changes. That took place. Because 16-11 that there’s actually a printing error that occurred where the words. Where he should have been put, it was she and this was our printing errors. By the way, you know misplacement of lettering, it was actually a nickname, the ** *** Bible. And there was many other nicknames for the 1611 itself that was caused due to print. Errors and such, and so because of that there’s a revision for that, and then another revision after that. And then right now during 1700s, we had several things like 3 revisions, but don’t quote me on that because I am a little bit rusty on those specifics, but basically, revisions took place in the 1700s to help improve the grammar and punctuation. Those were what really took place and that was where it really stopped with. Is those punctuation grammatical changes? There was no changes as regard to the wordings like words are like today. We have literal words that are changed out. We have literal words removed or a sentence that’s removed because oh, this is just duplicate of the previous sentence, so we’ll just eliminate that or we’ll just condense this and put right in the footnotes. This verse is condense because this verse does it. And so that’s how they play that game. Also for copyright purposes. That’s another thing as well that moderate. Translations too, but yeah, King James itself in terms of that, that is literally the only reason why the revisions took place. That’s why you haven’t seen any other revisions themselves take place in this day and age now I emphasized review. Jeans. Solely on the fact that, like I mentioned earlier, we have the KJV simplified, we have the 21st century King James version, we have multiple King James versions and like I mentioned to you about the KJV dilemma, I told you that was one of the avenues that’s that was going on. Churches were departing the original King James for that. These are special editions. Not really. Revisions themselves, even though they market them as revisions because, like I said, they are changing the specific words. They are changing the layout of certain things. And that is where that goes out of line. And so if they just kept it true to the text, which I haven’t seen so far, just true that the text, which is the whole agenda behind King James’s version, because even though the Geneva Bible itself was true to the text, the footnotes themselves were so biased that it would often leave the believer to think, OK, well. I don’t understand the scripture, but let me look at the footnotes. Oh. The footnote support overthrowing the king or the footnotes support this death of this. And so now anytime they hear that being preached in their church or taught, or even if they themselves are just literally living out their day and they think about that verse, it’s not about what the Holy Ghost wrote there. It’s about the biased what the biased writers wrote in there. And so he gives, like, no, this has to be a text focused only Bible, no footnotes. No commentary, no study guidelines, nothing. Just text only so. That’s that.

[MCG]

So what would you say to the person who is not buying what you’re saying and say, hey, what you just said you hit the nail on the head. One of the reason why King James was in favor of the new Bible and you mentioned the Geneva Bible was because the Geneva Bible actually. Would put his life in jeopardy because he’s saying that people can overthrow the king. So what would you say to folks that say, hey, the King James only sanctioned this Bible to preserve his life?

[Shawn Henly]

Exactly. Yes. So to answer that question, I mean, I might be some of my King James, Fellow Brethren might be against me because I say this, but that is certainly a very good possibility as to why King James even had the thought in his mind to be, let’s make this a textually translation. And like I said, I’m not going to shy away from the facts because, you know, just because I want to, you know. Preserve the integrity of the movement or some. You know, we gotta approach it for what it is. And so that’s really how why would potentially come up in King James mind. Now we don’t have any writing documents to say. Ohh I, King James hereby declare this King James translation to be coming into existence. The authorized version to come into existence because this Geneva translation is so bad that people are going to try to kill me. You know we don’t have any writings like that unfortunately. Which would have confirmed that theory, but that is very very. Possible as why King James would be like alright, we’re making a new translation. Yeah. So that’s really what I would have to. Say in that regard.

[Jay]

OK, I really appreciate your honesty and approaching that because sometimes I feel like when we’re approaching or we’re discussing any issue, there could be like this sort of tribal extremist sort of hold on your position to where you’d be disingenuous. Like, for example, the people that would say ohh, you know, the KJV has been revised over 100,000 times. But they’re not being honest about the fact that it went from, say, a word went from towards to toward. It wasn’t actual changing of the word, it was little revisions like that. It makes it difficult to even have a conversation when you can’t even dust off that sort of tribal. Hold on your position. So I really appreciate that honesty there. So what would you say to those that would say that the. Modern English versions are easier to understand than the KJV, and I know a lot of people would say, well, the level of education that we’re getting in the US today, people just can’t understand the these and the vowels and the this and the that. Could you talk to that or speak to that and. Explain whether or not we should be using modern translations because they’re easier to understand than the old quote. Archaic KJV.

[Shawn Henly]

Yeah, certainly. I literally just addressed another gentleman. There was a debate with the King James Bible Research Council member Doctor Dan hastily, and this individual, you know, you just have to type in Dan Haifley debate KJV or C everyone will understand who I’m talking about here. But, you know, he is a critical text advocate editor at Crossway Self. And you know, he actually the drums and drum around this very issue that modern English versions, you know, are the way to go. And, you know, we can’t use the King James because it’s it’s not intelligible. It’s not understandable for the modern day reader. And you know, of course, the debate, you know, I made a video on that debate literally yesterday and, you know. Addressing the real issue, not just the debate, but the real issue about readability, and that’s what I’m about to repeat here. Fact that. Culture will change. 2024 is not the same as 2004, and that was just 20 years ago. 2024 is not the same as 2014. That was 10 years ago. Whether you like to believe it or not, we just like to think that five years ago 2020 just opened a dimension that we don’t even understand time anymore for some reason. But. Time will move on. People will change, people will adapt. But God’s word is not meant to be adapting to people. People have to adapt to God and his word, in fact, natural. Then understand not the things of God that it itself is scripture. I’m condensing that very significantly, but the context is, you know, I’m not taking that out of context, don’t where people can. Fact Check me on that, don’t worry. But it is true. And when I say natural man understand not the things of God, I’m not saying that ohh you have to use something like in a foreign language or something so unintelligible that you know it’s literally you that’s the problem. What I’m saying is the fact that when we are trying to become, how do let me actually put this in a different way. Let’s let me make this into an analogy. And I’ve used this at the finale. As well, there will be children who will literally go ahead and. They will go into first grade and say, oh, I had a horrible day today. I can’t understand. I don’t know how to do addition, subtraction and oftentimes sometimes most of them do that. But division, multiplication, that’s where they really get messed up. And So what do you say? Oh, you know, this is so hard to understand. You know, I’m just going to abandon it. No, but any responsible? Loving parent would do is is to sit by them and to help them understand and to help them understand the logic and reasoning behind why 2 * 2 is 4 and why 2 * 5 is 10 and why 10 / 2 is five and why 2 + 2 is not. Not equal to five and that is exactly what I would say needs to happen within the Christian community, because right now what we’re doing is, you know, in fact this individual that was in the debate, you know, one of the most common clips that’s right now circulating. In fact, he said it is a sin to give your child a KJV because it’s unintelligible. He went as far as to define that that is a sin, and doctor Hafley even gave him the opportunity to correct himself, but he doubled down and verified and stated as a fact it is a sin to give your children the KJV and surrounding this whole thing about easier to understand. And like I said, I don’t see people changing math formulas and equations because Gen. Z has a difficulty understanding math formulas and equations. What I see is people dropping out, or people who are lazy dropping out, or I see people who are determined to be successful, who take the time, and studying the resources and actually make something better of their life and move on. And that’s the same thing. I challenge people to do when it comes to scriptures because you can grow and build yourself and great excellence in the academic field. You can be of great academic integrity, but at the end of the day, if you are a Christian and you can’t go on that same level and go up and understand and I’m not, I’m not understanding. Go ahead and be willing to put in that effort to study the word. You know that is a big, big dilemma that we’re dealing with, something that we need to correct in ourselves, the mentality and that’s where it comes back to what I’m saying being King James. Lee, because when we live with that mindset, it’s all about the mindset. If we live with the mindset, ohh, you know, King James is the best translation, but I’m just not understanding everything. So therefore, let me just, you know, turn it back down a notch. Maybe in 10 years, I can go back to the king. James, let me just take it back a notch to New King James. And I think we’ll just go cruise mode on this and then you know, in 10 years I’ll be fine. But when I live with the mindset. There is no other Bible like ESV. No NIV, no, it’s not a Bible. I don’t care about the controversies like it’s just not there. My mind is automatically going to go. I got to understand it. This is God’s complete word. Matthew 4 four man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word. That proceeded out of. Mouth of God, how is it that man that live by every word that proceeded on the mouth of God, if certain words are either twisted or removed or manipulated, or even to an extent gas lighting the reader in the footnotes to say ohh this verse was not in the original manuscript you know certain stallers put it there but in the reality it’s not really there. You’re gaslighting the reader. So how does Matthew 4, four come in to be proved there? So that’s why I’m going to leave it off as a question.

[MCG]

Yeah, that’s some interesting stuff here because you think about it so. Well, you said earlier and which I agree with that translations are not inspired and we know of course we have the Texas receptors or the received texts and we have the murder rate text for the Old Testament and stuff like that. So if those are the inspired texts and we have stuff like their modern English version, which is based on the text. Receptors. Why is it that that’s not their viable option for every word of God to the English speaking people?

[Shawn Henly]

I understood a part of your question. Can you like rephrase it a little bit?

[MCG]

So I guess in a nutshell it would be, how would you adjust those who use modern English version? Say the MEV which is on the text of reception.

[MCG]

Compared to what you just said because you just said, hey, Matthew 4/4, every word of God mentioned, I live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds of the mouth of God, well, the argument can be made that every word that proceedeth amount of God was the English words, the translation. You already said the translation is that inspired. So what about those who use a Texas receptors based English version? Bible, but it’s not KJV.

[Shawn Henly]

Yes, that’s a very I understand your question. Now and what I’m doing right now, I’m actually going back to my slides here because I’m going to be addressing something very clear and significant. All right, so the MV this was in session #5 for those who want to check what I’m saying. Session #5. For the live finale, I go over disproving every single English translation in existence and authoritatively prove. That the King James Bible is God’s only prayerfully preserved word for the English speaking people. So let’s talk about the Mev here. So in the preface it says the original motive for creating this translation was to provide an update by military chaplains for the troops so that they could understand the King James version better. So now I’m going to bring to attention for issues. So am I saved or am I being saved? 1st Corinthians 118 in the king. James, it says who are saved, but in the MV it says who are being. It’s saved. Also it mentions the word sodomite is gone and replaced with male cult. Prostitutes in the MV, if feminine is replaced with male prostitutes in First Corinthians 69. Now around the D’s and Thou’s John 37. Now, did Jesus tell Nicodemus he needed to be born again? Or is he saying that everybody needs to be born again? Now in the MV it reads. Do not marvel that I said to you. You must be born again. OK? You can’t be singular or sorry. This is not the and that this is about the. Yeah, this also includes the whole. E thing because it says yes, Mev do not Marvel. I said to you, you must be born again so you can be singular or plural. It can be either. But in the King James is actually very clear because thee is singular and ye is plural and the King James that reads Marvel. Not that I said unto thee, which is singular, Nicodemus. Ye all people must be born again. Looking at Exodus 1620, it’s around the same issue. Me thee reads. Then the Lord said to Moses. How long will you refuse to keep my commandments and my instructions? But in the King, James and Reeds and the Lord said unto Moses, how long refused ye, which is the people, to keep my commandments and my laws, so we can see. I’m like in the M3, where it shows God being angry with Moses. He hasn’t said angry at. People keeping the second person here singular in the Bible is the importance of why we must not advocate for the updatings of the these and the Dawes, and that is in essence where that really stands across the issues with the MV. Really that’s a very big issue, interpretation issue and even a textual understanding issue like I mentioned about the whole, am I saver. Being saved 1st Corinthians 118 who are being saved. That’s what it says in the MV, which is a gross representation of what the original is.

[MCG]

Yeah, I definitely agree with you on the first committees passage. And I definitely agree with you again with the EU and the EU. But I’m gonna push back on you for arguments sake. OK, what do you say then? Because you say, OK, the Bible says very, very saying to D he must be born again. And that’s a powerful passage because when you look at it, Jesus is saying, Nicodemus, not only you. But everybody needs to be born again. Yeah, right. But what do you say? Because a lot of people would have maybe, like, a Greek or a strong concordance number next to their scripture or whatever the case may be. And they can easily look and see what the Greek was there and what the original Greek mean.

[Shawn Henly]

Mm-hmm.

[MCG]

So I’m using a translation that I can better understand, but if I want clarity I can go. To the Greek.

[Shawn Henly]

Exactly. Let me actually go back here a little bit back to when I was reformed. I did a Bible study series which has been taken down due to the fact it was entirely based around the CSV. And you know what, I. Used to do. When I was informed is I used to go ahead and I used to use Blue Letter Bible and I used to go ahead and I used to type of words like words like doctrine or spirit like what is the spirit that is talking about? Is it the Holy Spirit? Is it the false seducing spirits? What? Does that mean and so then I would have this big sheet of paper that was very thick per session that I used to do. The spouses used to do, and I would often trip on myself because while in the midst of reading one sentence I am reading 2 paragraphs of explaining what those words meant. I have to go ahead and I have to take the meaning and I have to put in my own parenthesis in that Scripture and I have to like, put that on my slide. So this is what in the SV had said. But because the Greek amplified this, this is what it really means. So what that leads to believe and you know, it’s kind of funny. You know, I even used that for marketing in season 1 because, you know, I already made the. Material why do I need to do fresh marketing? I was like, this is what leads people to so much confusion cause the problem is when you go ahead, if the Bible itself was very clear from the beginning, cause like what you just saw about the D and the E rather than just saying the generic U cause U can be singular or plural. These singular yeast plural, when you have specific words meant for specific purposes, sure, initially because of where we are in society, it’s a bit hard, but once we get that key pattern, it makes a lot more sense and we don’t need to refer to 3rd party materials, third party sources and then fact checking because there’s a lot of people who will say semi truths. And then we have to go about discerning that. Why do we need to put ourselves through the headache of vetting certain individuals who have academic, you know, scholarships? I mean, you know, they have great awards and things like that to prove that they know what they’re talking about. Why put ourselves to the strain when God has given us his faith for preserved word, so that when we read it all, we really need to understand. Like because of a comprehension gap that there is, all you really need is just a dictionary like do I want to get a scholar or do I just want to open my dictionary like? That’s really what the viewers have to understand here.

[MCG]

Yeah, and it can lead to, of course, question in the Bible question and stuff like that. But let me ask. This so we have the Greek Sep 2 agent. We have the Latin Vulgate. We have the Gutenberg Bible. We have the Geneva. The KJV we have others in between and after that, why is it that we do not need to be continuous seeking a better translation? Why is it that OK, OK, JV, why is it that we don’t need to seek a better translation?

[Shawn Henly]

Yeah, that’s a great question. Why don’t we need a new revision? Basically a new translation or or a? New revision, so to speak. Here’s the reality of the situation when we say that God faithfully preserved his word, we mean that. That is the only translation that’s ever needed. Now let’s take a step back here and and really understand the gravity of the situation of when people say we need a new translation, we need translation. Here’s what’s going on in society right now. In the Christian world right now what we have, and this is very confusing. So I’m going to explain as deeply as possible. What we have in society right now is we have people, you know, scholars teaching that we don’t have all of. That’s word. That’s why we need to print new translations every year, every two years. And if even if you look at the SV, you see that there’s multiple additions like this year in 2001, 2016. And now I believe they made one in 2021, if I’m not mistaken. And they’re like, oh, you know, with our new discovery, you know, we realized this is what this meant. We realized this was what this really was about, or we found this manuscript or this portion or this leaflet or this or that. And so now, what does that leave people with? It shows the incapability of God’s word to be faithfully preserved, because that is a promise by God himself. That is a promise that it will be endured for generations. The word of the Lord it will endure for generations that I’m butchering that so someone please. Fact Check me on that. But I know for a fact that that is what the context is about is enduring for generations. It is about indeed, the words of the Lord is what specifically it says. And so if it’s going to endure.

[MCG]

Right.

[Shawn Henly]

Means it must last if we’re questioning that we don’t even have all of God’s word, which is why these modern version believers, users, that’s what they believe. Ohh. It’s just a translation, you know, like translations are not perfect. What are we saying? Then we’re saying God’s word is not. Perfect. Ohh no, no, no. But it’s not, but no, no, no. Like we have the Greek. We have the Hebrew, you know like we. Have to Fact Check. It ourselves, God did not say his word will endure for generations. For us as people to go about fact checking every single time what God said. That’s what the devil wants. Is to really think. Is this what God said? Look at what happened in the Garden of Eden with. Eve. Did the Lord really say you shall not eat of every tree in the garden? Did he really not say you can’t really do this or do that? Are you really that positive? Are you really positive? This is what this translation actually means? Like this verse? Actually means this. Are you sure you don’t need to refer to that scholar? And so that’s really the dilemma that we’re having to deal with today and that’s what came as a consequence of what you just said really is that whole mentality. Ohh well, you know, let me have something easier to read, easier to understand. But you know, I have these. Uses. Just use a dictionary and use the King James. The perfectly preserved the real text as I mentioned to you really elaborately about why we need to look for the source materials, not just a readability issue. Comprehension will change the English that you and I are speaking now. I can assure you I would say 250 to 300 years. The children then are not going to understand this interview.

[MCG]

Interesting.

[Shawn Henly]

They’re not. They will not. So does that mean we’re going to go ahead and we’re going to update the King James then? I’m not sure. I really don’t believe so.

[MCG]

Hmm.

[Shawn Henly]

I mean, we had the King James Bible for, let’s say, the last update, the ones that we use right now is in the late 1700s. So we’ve been using a King James Bible for the literally the last 300 years. I would say the English language. Has changed dramatically in 300 years, yet we’re still using the King James Bible, the 17th edition, so.

[MCG]

Oh yeah.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Shawn Henly]

I’ll leave it at.

[MCG]

That only if it change. If you go from country to country, it’s different too. So.

[Jay]

Exactly. That’s a good point about country to country. Here’s an argument. Is this translation issue really a major deal, or is it just a minor thing that we’re blown? Not the reason I say that is because God has promised to preserve his word, but even today there are people groups that speak languages that don’t have a Bible in their own language, and I understand it has to do with Bible translation, of course. But what we’re doing right now, we’re able to do because we have an embarrassment of riches. When it comes to the original. Texts. It’s not like for example the Quran where one guy decided centuries ago that he was going to burn everything and then this version is the only version that we’re going to read. No, we could always go back and compare and see what the actual texts say through textual criticism. And so are we just making a mountain out of a molehill? Is this really a big deal, or is this actually something a hill to die?

[Shawn Henly]

Yes, I would in fact proudly say it is in fact a hill to die. And the reason why I say that it’s important is like I mentioned, I believe twice already. It is in fact the final authority. Again. It’s all about the mentality. But here to really look about what you said about the people groups, you know, for example, we have a lot of Spanish speaking. People right now in America than we’ve ever had before, you know, we have a lot of people different demographics that you know they don’t understand. You know, even I, you know, who was born and raised in America, you and I have a hard time understanding certain King James words. And so I’m not gonna go out there and just simply say. You know, to a Mexican who just came here and just say, you know, OK, here’s God’s real word Now, this is what you’re going to read because I can assure you the man can probably understand Jesus is and some words like love or things like that. He will not be able to comprehend even a simple sentence other than the shortest verse in the Bible.

[Jay]

Right.

[Shawn Henly]

Which is? Jesus wept. I’m pretty sure he might be able to understand that, but other than that, he won’t understand sentences. But coming back to that analogy I gave at an earlier question, you know really going through, you know, if your child has an issue, what a real loving parent would do. Is sit down with them and help them understand what’s really going on and provide them with the resources and this is where I believe the local church is ought to step in, you know, coming back to what was said about the KJV dilemma, the divisiveness in the church, really, it should be focused again. The devil did that because what was actually happening was churches. Wolfs had like little Bible colleges like not major colleges, but like small level colleges like you know, you could have an official certificate provided by. Some churches still do this to this day, but what they would do is people who had a hard time or send the King James, you would get like a King James certificate where like you studied and you wrote like a thesis and like, really understanding what your team James Bible says we need to bring that back in the mainstream circulation. And when I said mainstream, I don’t mean Christianity in its entirety because.

[MCG]

MHM.

[Shawn Henly]

You know it’s going to take a long step to get. There, but I mean mainstream within the independent Baptist community, because they’re the ones who focus upon the King James Bible is our final authority. They die on that hill, which is the whole reason why I became an independent Baptist and moved away from the reformed community. But that’s where we really need to go on because it’s easy for us to say, you know, to say like. Like, I don’t care if they have a language issue like this. Is the Bible like you want to go to those, you know, other churches out there that use an ESV or something go do that like you’re not welcome here. Like, if you can read a King James, you’re welcome here. But always get out. That mentality needs to change when that mentality changes and we’re welcoming people and, you know, welcoming the lost people. Once they become new converts, we just don’t hand them, you know, I’m just using a phone here and an example, but we don’t just hand them. Here’s your King James. Your King James New Testament, or your King James you on a full Bible that you get from like Thomas Nelson or something and be like, hey, this is the word of God, you know, just come to our Bible studies and bring that with you and you learn God’s word. That’s where the issue is. What you gotta do is you gotta be able to sit down with them. And I would recommend every church if they can to do this. Have separate classes like Sunday school, have another class. Words like King James, comprehension class or understanding your King James, something like that, where you sit down and help people understand the king. This Bible even. English speaking people like me. Benefit from that?

[Jay]

Could benefit from that, right?

[Shawn Henly]

Exactly because you know that’s really where we go. And with things like that, that’s where this whole mentality of isn’t a minor issue or a major issue that would escape their head. Because if I’m able to understand my King James, I don’t need to. Be. Contemplating I’m set in stone now, there are certain people. Will have the drive to research and look at definitions and you know my mother, you know, is a great example. If she has like 4 or five different King James so. Lost count. She has multiple one for taking the church. One for, you know, has the journal notes on the side so she can write extra and one that has space between the lines so that she can write like the words. You know what it really means, you know, because she herself told me, you know, the new King Jane, I was able to like glide through it. But the King James is making me stop. And read it, and then she herself said, you know, even though it’s making me stop and read, it’s taking me a lot longer. Like, before I could read like 2-3 chapters before I’m going to bed, I’m reading only one chapter or even like 3/4 of chapter. But I’m able to understand what that portion of text I read is me. Because my eyes are not just gliding because I have to take that effort, it’s leading me to actually understand what the words mean and what the actual, you know, actual context surrounding. And so I would say that this whole dilemma actually instigates further study and driven people further study to therefore, you know. Basically, learn more about what God’s word is.

[MCG]

Well, you know what the pushback against that would be, though? Well, it’s basically the same thing I asked you earlier, because if you’re gonna have to do all that, why not go to a modern version?

[Shawn Henly]

True. But like I mentioned, with the modern version, the main difference between a King James Bible and a modern version is with the King James Bible. It surrounds just a dictionary. You don’t need to Fact Check any strongs or any Greek.

[MCG]

Right.

[Shawn Henly]

Or Hebrew roots. Or anything like that with a modern version, because the words are changed and because you know this spirit. Doesn’t really mean that. Spirit. It’s like, OK, well, is this really what this means? Like you’re living in a mentality where it’s like, is this really what this means? Like, when I go up there to teach Sunday school to these group of impressionable children, is this really what the scripture says? Am I going to be misrepresenting what God said? Why should we live in that fear when? We have King James Bible and words that are hard to understand. You pick up the Webster’s Dictionary, 1828 bam. Problem solved.

[MCG]

Good stuff. Alright. So would you say that? I think you’re just this earlier, but if you could pinpoint on it, would you say that someone who was?

[Shawn Henly]

Sure.

[MCG]

Led to the Lord with a non cagey version of the Bible. Is that person truly safe?

[Shawn Henly]

Yeah. Absolutely. I mean then he would be saying I was. Not saved. Because I got saved with a new King James version. You know, because at the end of the day, translation does. I’m going to keep this very brief. Translation does not save the gospel saves. And this kind of goes back to your question a little bit about what are your fellowship of the Brother Sisters in non KJV Bible say, here’s a reality situation. You know, there’s a lot of people out there with a lot of different translations and many of the evangelical crowd call out the message translation. They call out the passion translation because of. It’s. Blatant changes like so blatant. It’s like, yeah, this is so far off. Like, you would literally have to, like, poke, poke your eyes out, just not to see the changes. Like, that’s how big the changes are. And, you know, everyone’s like the other translations. That’s not that big. But this is a big deal. But I would say it’s all a big deal because where is all of it? Based on around the corrupt text, but coming back to what you’re saying about that pushback, could you jog my memory of it? There? I have this bad habit where I’m in the middle of talking and I forget what I was.

[MCG]

No, I was just asking about if someone gets saved from a known KJV Bible, are they truly saved? I think you already hit the nail on the head there.

[Shawn Henly]

Yeah. For closing thoughts there. Yeah, pretty much like I said, you know, gospel saves, not a translation. And you know, if the translation, here’s another point I would add, if the translation does not advocate like, for example, it says you are being saved or it’s like salvation is a process, then I would question salvation merely on the basis that the gospel. Presented was a false gospel. You know, This is why even in the evangelical community, to say the Jehovah’s Witness Bible or the Mormon Bible. You know, it presents a false gospel and so therefore, you know, converts from that translation or we don’t even consider the translation, but they do so from their perspective, converts from that translation are therefore Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses, but they’re not Christians. They are not truly saved. So if a translation has the authentic gospel. They’re saved. Simple as that.

[MCG]

Yeah. Let me ask you this again for argument sake, because I’m sure I’m going to leave some stone unturned, but.

[Shawn Henly]

Yeah.

[MCG]

I’m fascinated by this topic as well. So you said several times about the MVP about being safe, right? And then a study Bible students will say, hey, if you look in romance, the Bible make it clear that there are three levels of salvation or three steps to salvation. Firstly is of course justification. Then we have sanctification.

[Shawn Henly]

Correct.

[MCG]

And we have grown. Location, so justification is of course we declare righteous. That is one point in time. That’s when we realize that we are sinners. We trust Christ as our Savior, and we repent of our sins. The Bible declare us justified. Yes. After that we are being sanctified as the Holy Spirit of God takes the word of God to make us more like the.

[Shawn Henly]

Yeah, correct.

[MCG]

One of God, to quote a famous author. I don’t know his name off the top of my head right now, so that’s sanctification.

[Jay]

In burden.

[MCG]

Jim Berg Scientification the process we as we go from justification, we are being made more like the son of God through the word of God by. The spirit of God. Glorification. We are waiting for that to happen because we are not in heaven yet. Christ hasn’t returned yet, so can it be accurate to say that we are being safe?

[Shawn Henly]

Now, to be very honest with you in the audience, I’m not that well versed in that specific portion of Scripture to give very. Detailed answer but what I can give you is the fact around the subject about being saved and pertaining more towards what you. You’re saying let? Check a quick scripture real quick. I want to make sure I hit this correctly because this is a salvation issue here Romans 10/9 if that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shall believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, basically believing the resurrection, the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the sins of mankind.

[Jay]

Of course.

[Shawn Henly]

Thou shalt be saved. I don’t see any pertinence. I don’t see any element of. There’s more to it. It lists the condition of what you need to believe.

[MCG]

OK.

[Shawn Henly]

Believe and it states the result of. If you believe in that element that the full death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. So yeah. What’s your answers?

[MCG]

Yeah, the way I would look at that even to to what you just said, you mentioned first current 118 for the preaching of cross. It’s the damned that perish foolishness want to us which I save, it is the power of God. So if you look at that, it clearly is talking about justification. If you want to split it up the way I did, it’s clearly talking about justification because it showed. Who just take conditions right, they say. But to them that perish. Foolishness. Those are the unsafe. But to us, to us, save it is poor. So if you want to spend the day with justification and the other thing I would say again, to add to that, when the Bible is talking about justification, sanctification, and glorification in terms of even want to split salvation up in those three different. Aspects. It makes it very clear that he’s talking about those things. You know, if you look at rumors 81, there is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. You make it clear that you’re justified. But when he’s talking about, like, being safe, like salvation or complete. Package is not ambiguous at all. Verse 18 is that ambiguous? He said. Foolishness. Those who are not safe and then he says those who are safe.

[Jay]

Say so, is there anything more important than this translation issue? We just had a discussion back and forth about being saved, and so obviously there are consequences. There’s a heaviness to this because we’re talking about salvation and how people understand what God has said about salvation. Is there anything more important than this translation issue then?

[Shawn Henly]

Yes. So like I mentioned earlier, you know the most important thing than the translation is about being safe. You know, becoming safe and that is the most important thing because at the end of. The day you. Know what determines where we spend eternity is not. If you use the King James Bible, it’s not. If you read a King James Bible, it’s not. If you read an NIV. It’s not. If you read the LSP is if you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, thou shalt be saved into. That is, at the end of the day, the most important thing. Than the translation issue, but the translation issue for that reason must not be dismissed because it contains. It’s about the issue about the whole Council of God. You know, if we are going ahead and just pushing that as a backbone and be like, oh, the gospel is the most important, Amen to that. Fully agree with you and.

[Shawn Henly]

But then you’re about to say then from there on, you know, we’ll just let the Holy Spirit lead. That’s the pushback I’ve always. The even back when I was brethren, you know, when I exposed false teachers. Be like, oh, Shawn, don’t name them by. Name. You know, let’s just focus on, you know, addressing Calvinism or let’s address, you know, the teachings, you know. But we don’t need to go after, you know, name false teachers. We don’t need to go after all these things. The funny thing is, later on, the youth would literally go on to join with the apostate. Churches. And then everybody would be like, Oh my goodness, how did this happen? And then I just sit on the sidelines and I was like, I told you this would happen. You push back on the main issue, which is the final authority. Then you’re basically opening the gateway for everything else to come in. You’re allowing things to come in, and then you’ll be fighting on this front on why Calvinism is this bad and and why is that teaching bad? And why is this teaching?

[MCG]

Hmm.

[Shawn Henly]

And why is this bad? And soon you’re stuck like this when in the beginning you could have just said here is the final authority. Anything outside this final authority is not of God, it is of the devil. And that is clear as day and this is what we got most pitchers doing. They’re all so mixed up with fighting this front and that front and launching this study series because the last five study series apparently wasn’t good enough. So we’re gonna launch five more. And now you got a whole congregation and people swarmed in this stuff. That the devil still seeps into them because their mind is so active on this that they lost the vision which is the final authority.

[MCG]

Yeah, definitely. And one thing I will say as we wrap up here, Shawn, is that I truly appreciate. That, in truth, prevail it that you end every episode with a clear presentation of the gospel and really appreciate that, because at the end of the day we can argue and fight and all that stuff. But the most important thing, as you said, is the matter of salvation. And you did throw that in your episode by ending it with a clear presentation or gospel. So.

[Shawn Henly]

Yes.

[MCG]

Alright, Shawn. Well, we’re definitely gonna do this again sometime, but thank you for joining us on the Removing Barriers podcast.

[Shawn Henly]

It was a pleasure. I appreciate it. Thank you.

[Jay]

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[MCG]

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