Episode 182

After a hotly contested and failed bid for president, incessant indictments and trials of a suspiciously political nature, fanatical opposition from all the established American institutions, and multiple assassination attempts (one of which would have surely been fatal had a miracle not changed circumstances at the last split second), Donald Trump became president elect in the fall of 2024. How could this have happened? In the aftermath, his opposition melted into despair and began blame-shifting, but one thing is undeniable: Trump won considerable support from demographics that previously wouldn’t give hime the time of day. What changed? On this episode of the Removing Barriers podcast, recurring guest Sam joins us as we compare and contrast the last three presidential election results and try to understand where Trump performed well compared to Harris and how that allowed the Republican party to win everything: the White House, the Senate, the House, and the popular vote to boot. In what is sure to be remembered as the one of the best political comeback stories ever, America made her choice crystal clear, and we want to examine how it all went down.

[Sam]

So, I think you know you have all those things, but maybe if I had to call out one thing, it would be or two things, it would be the law fair and the assassination attempt. And I think the assassination attempt may not have had as much of an effect on people if it weren’t for the backdrop of the law there.

[Jay]

Thank you for tuning in to the Removing Barriers podcast. I’m Jay and I’m MCG. And we’re attempting to remove barriers so we can all have a clear view of the cross.

[MCG]

This is episode 182 of the Removing Barriers podcasts. And in this episode, we’ll be talking about the demographics of Trump’s victory.

[Jay]

Hi, this is Jay, MCG and I would like for you to help us remove barriers by going to: removingbarriers.net and subscribing to receive all things, removing barriers. If you’d like to take your efforts a bit further and help us keep the mics on, consider donating at removing barriers.net slash. Donate removing barriers. A clear view of the cross.

[MCG]

And joining us in this episode is Sam. Sam is no stranger to the Removing Barriers podcast. Sam, welcome back.

[Sam]

MCG, Jay. Thanks for having me.

[MCG]

Great. Well.

[Sam]

I think I say the same thing every time, but I’ll have to come up with. A new response.

[MCG]

Great. Thank you for joining us, Mr. Sam. So, the elections are over, and Donald Trump will be the 47th president of the Great U.S. of A.

[Jay]

Whoop.

[MCG]

Well, I think Jay has just revealed herself to be a garbage person. A deplorable. I’m not gonna reveal what side I’m on, Sam, or your garbage person, too, or you don’t want to reveal.

[Sam]

I’ll reveal. I’m one of them and I call them maggots.

[Jay]

Ohh nice, I like that.

[MCG]

Wow. So I’m talking to a maggot and a garbage. Person.

[Sam]

Well, they say Mago, and they think we’re garbage. So it’s maggots, you know.

[Jay]

Yeah, it’s appropriate, yeah.

[MCG]

OK.

[Sam]

I guess maybe I’m a chocolate maggot.

[MCG]

I’ll leave that for your wife is determined. Let’s start by going over some of the stats we saw coming out of the 2024 election. So I have a clip here from CNN that I think explained pretty much on a secular level. Why? Trump won. So here’s CNN. On why Trump won.

[CNN Clip]

Holy Toledo alright. Trump gained ground in 49 States and the District of Columbia compared to 2020. I went back through the record books. When was the last time a party gained in so many different places? You have to go all the way back to 19192 when Bill Clinton improved upon Michael Dukakis’s performance. In 49 states, plus the District of Columbia, the bottom line is no matter where you looked on the map, Kate Baldwin, no matter where you looked, Donald Trump was improve. Thing on where he did four years ago, except for Washington state, it is no wonder that at this particular point, he looks like he’s going to be the first Republican to win the popular vote since George W Bush back in 2004.

[MCG]

So there we have it. I have some more, but Trump seemed like he has gained across every demographics. Maybe except for black women, but I think he probably gained there as well and historic since 1992. Back in the Clinton days. But I’m gonna let this finish and then we’ll talk about it.

[CNN Clip]

To pull that off, he gained ground with groups that Republicans do not generally count as part of their winning a winning coalition, or it it really. At all. How much ground did he gain?

[CNN Clip]

Yeah. Oh, again. Holy Toledo. It’s just like, oh, my goodness gracious. These are the types of groups that you would never have thought that Donald Trump would have gained so much support among eight years ago when he first won against Hillary Clinton. Trump was the best GOP showing among 18 to 29 year olds in 20 years. You have to go all the way back to 2004. How about among black voters? It was the best performance for a Republican candidate for president in 40. Eight years since Gerald Ford back in 19176 and among Hispanic voters, the exit polls only go back since 19172. But but Donald Trump’s performance on Tuesday was the best for a Republican presidential. Candidate in exit poll history, he literally goes all the way back to history and breaks history. This is what we’re talking about, Kate Baldwin groups that you never thought that Donald Trump would do well among, even for a Republican candidate. That is what he did. If the 2016 election was about Donald Trump breaking through a white working class voters. This election was about breaking through. And going to that democratic coalition and tearing it up.

[CNN Clip]

And it wasn’t just this what he did for his own support it it trickled down to helping the Senate and helping in the.

[CNN Clip]

House. Yeah, so, you know, a lot of talk this morning and this week, as you know, the GOP is gonna have a Senate Majority. We don’t know if the Republicans are gonna have a House majority, but we think that that’s the most likely to be the case. But I want you to look at the 2024 house. GOP national vote showing so this is the the House popular vote. Currently, the GOP is ahead by five points. I expect that to shrink a little bit as some of the California results come in, but that if let’s just say he wins the House, GOP wins by more than 2.6 points. It will be the best House GOP showing in a presidential year in the House popular vote since 19128. If there’s any viewer out there who is that old? God bless you, but the bottom line is it was probably the best house GOP national vote showing during most of our viewers lifetimes in a presidential year.

[CNN Clip]

There are people, yeah. It’s good to see you here. Thank you. So.

[CNN Clip]

Thanks.

[CNN Clip]

Much you, God bless you. John.

[MCG]

Yeah, there you have it. Trump’s victory in one word was historical.

[Sam]

Wow.

[Jay]

Yeah, he executed what can only be described as a clean sweep. As of this recording, 312 electoral votes to Vice President Harris’s 2/26. He flipped all of the swing states. Georgia, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada. Pennsylvania and Arizona. They’re still counting, but he is in the lead and is projected to win. He won the popular vote by over 32,000,000. I need a Fact Check on that. I’m not entirely sure what the exact number is on winning the popular vote. And like the lady said in the.

[MCG]

You said 32,000,000. I don’t think it’s that much. I think it’s more.

[Jay]

I could be wrong on that. Maybe we could pull up that stat there, but or maybe that’s the total that he got. I would need that to be fact checked for sure, but.

[MCG]

Like. Five, I think it’s more like 5 million. Yeah, last that I saw was 71,000,000 for Trump.

[Jay]

Seven, it’s one, OK.

[MCG]

And about. 67 or so for all.

[Jay]

Right. OK. So the margin was about 5-6 million, OK. And the GOP’s got the Senate, they look like they’re going to take the house or take the majority in the House, although the race is salon for the House. And that’s incredible. Right now, the GOP has 212 seats to the Democrats, 201 seats. And like Sam mentioned off the recording, the requirement is 218 to win the majority there. So you can’t call it anything other than a sweep. He took everything.

[Sam]

Yeah, I mean, like I said earlier, kind of hoping that we would have a result like this. I’m honestly I’m not too surprised that things have turned out in a more conservative way this time around. I think the government has just been too, you know, overbearing. I don’t think that people like to see all this warfare. Against Trump and then the shooting when somebody tried to shoot him. You know, well did shoot him, but it wasn’t fatal. I think that also helped Trump as well. So.

[MCG]

Yeah, I have another one here because one of the big turn out for Trump was their Hispanic votes. Here’s a clip about that.

[The View Clip]

And finally, we talk a lot about these different demographics and these assumptions of where they’re gonna go Latinos in Texas.

[MCG]

This is from the view actually, so.

[Jay]

No.

[MCG]

Be ready for the cringe.

[The View Clip]

District, that’s 97% Latino went 75 percentage points for Donald Trump. Why message on the? No, it’s on the border. The border crisis is on their doorsteps.

[The View Clip]

That’s why it’s misogyny. So so.

[The View Clip]

And they. Begging people to care about it for years, we need to take some less. The lessons are not.

[The View Clip]

Misogyny and sexism, that’s what that was.

[The View Clip]

Not. Who’s there? Oh, my gosh, it’s whooping.

[Jay]

She is unbearable, that woman, sunny Hostin. I didn’t even have to see the clip to know that that was her. It’s misogyny. No, knucklehead. It’s the border, and it’s all of this leftist ideology being pushed on the people that are traditionally. Very conservative.

[MCG]

It is just in here. So because this is a Coney or area in Texas that’s on the border, that’s majority Hispanic and they went 75% for Trump, you know, usually. And I’m an immigrant, they usually think that. I don’t know. I guess this only happened in the US, but they seem to think that because you fall in certain brackets that you’re always in line with. Whatever that bracket does, and I’m like, you know, people that come across the border illegally, people that are in the country legally and they’re immigrants, they’re frustrated that people are walking across illegally and getting. You know, debit card telephones, apartments.

[Jay]

All kinds of benefits. Some of them were even protesting in the streets in New York about their so-called benefits. They’re not even legal, and they’re protesting for their benefit.

[MCG]

You know what? The money I had to send to the DHS USCIS to be in the country legally and these people are just coming across the border and getting all these things. I probably should go down to Mexico and walk across they. Probably. Should be better, but anyway Sam.

[Sam]

Yeah. So I did. Before the election, I asked a whole bunch of my friends at our church. We have, like, an English speaking side. And then we also have a Spanish speaking side. And I was just kind of curious where the Spanish speaking side was feeling a lot of them are from. Mexico, South America, and I know that some of them are citizens now and we’re going to be voting. So I was asking them where they stood and they were very hesitant to tell me where they stood on the election. But ultimately what I got from them was that they were all going to be voting for Trump. And they had a lot of concerns about the other. And from what I was hearing from them, the two biggest issues that they had, one was first thing that they mentioned to me was money and they all said pretty much the same thing. So they all seemed to have money as a number one priority. Things are so expensive for them. And I know stuff is expensive for me too. They wanted to go back to. A better economy, like what we had with Trump. And then the other thing that they mentioned, not all of them mentioned it, but none of them spoke against this, those that spoke on this topic spoke for this being an issue and that is a lot of crime that has increased in their neighborhood and from what I gathered, it’s related to an increase in illegal immigration and a lack of law enforcement. And it seemed like they really wanted that to be dealt with as well. So that’s interesting, but that’s what I’m hearing from, you know, Hispanic communities so.

[MCG]

Yeah, I have another clip that I want to play, but I plug this in because I’m not hearing a whole lot about this. But Governor Greg Abbott of Texas, I think the one who started the bussing and I think Governor DeSantis of Florida also did some busing as well. That was ingenious. Because I’m not even talking about which I’m not talking about politically, because what that did was. Change the border state to the entire country so when they have places like New York versus that the seams Chicago bursting at the seams and all these.

[Jay]

Our area here is busting at seams. Yep.

[MCG]

Right. Oh, wow. So no, they said Ohh we are Sanctuary city sanctuary city and now they have all these people coming in on them and their budget starts training and all this stuff. It forced them to say, hey, we are feeling the effect. Too, and I think that was ingenious when it comes to immigration. I don’t know if morally it was the best thing to do, but politically that really, really hamper the Democrats because it says hey, ohh you want them, you love them here they and when they start affecting every aspect of their life from their finances to crime to. Bringing people into the. Neighborhoods. It really, really, really worked. Alright, here’s another one. Again, be ready for the cringes, his sunny hostin again, and woman, an abortion issues. At least I think this one is funny, Austin.

[The View Clip]

I want to dig further into into the demographics because black women tried to save this country again last night, 92% of black women voted for the vice president.

Strength.

[The View Clip]

You have Latinas in the 70 percentile voting for the vice.

[Sam]

Wait, how many? Oh, I’m sorry.

[The View Clip]

President.

[MCG]

92% of black. Women.

[Jay]

OK, that’s really not something we should be proud of.

[Sam]

But go ahead, like I don’t know if I buy that staff, why do they say 92%?

[MCG]

Of black women, I think that’s the start. I’ve seen about 92% of black women voted.

[Sam]

Where does that come from? I don’t, I don’t know.

[MCG]

Man was 71 percent or. So what’s? That 92% of black women voted for Harris, and I think 71% of black men voted for Harris. Which is interesting, because every time Trump ran, he gained in with a black man, but it seemed like he’s not gaining with a black woman.

[Sam]

Yeah. You know, I guess that’s interesting to me. I’m not so sure that I buy that stat. I wish I had reached out to more people. Half of my family is conservative and half of my family is Democrat. And I’m just thinking like, I know a lot of women that were not at all excited about Kamala Harris. I’m pretty sure they did not vote for her. So I do know a lot of black women that were for Kamala as well. That’s just interesting. I don’t really know that I buy that. But anyway, I have no way of proving one way. Or the other, so it’s interesting.

[MCG]

All right, well, here is, Sunny continues.

[The View Clip]

What we did not have is white women who voted about 52% right for Donald Trump. Uneducated white women is my understanding. You have Latino men actually voting more for him and you have, and black men was not the story. We’re not the story here because they voted almost 80% for the Vice President. So why do you think that?

[The View Clip]

Right.

[The View Clip]

Uneducated white women voted against their reproductive health freedoms. And why do you think Latino men vote? In favor of someone that’s going to deport says he’s going to deport the majority of his community.

[The View Clip]

I don’t think white, white women like being called uneducated white women. I think the economy matters. National security matters. But, but when you put people in these boxes, I think that’s a take away from this race.

[The View Clip]

But that’s what the that’s what. That’s what the poll said. But we we have, we have to look at at the demographics.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[MCG]

Say here why? Is it because they didn’t vote for Harris? They must be uneducated. That’s a strange man. Come.

[Jay]

On. They all think like that, Brian Krassenstein went online after the election and put a statistic up that demonstrated that. Educated white people voted for Harris or not even white people. Just educated people were on trend to vote primarily for Harris, while uneducated people voted for Trump and the implication there. The idea there was similar to Hillary’s deplorables comment to Joe Biden’s garbage comment. And when Stephen A Smith went on the view, I think it was the day after, maybe two days after elections, and he talked about the legitimate reasons why the Democrats lost the election, Sonny Hostin says. Well, these people need to be educated and Stephen A Smith fires back and says. Hey, these people are salt of the Earth people. They’re working all of these hours. They’re taking care of their families. They’re not vested in paying it. Attention to politics as much as we are for a living like the pundits are for a living. And then she retorts back and says, Oh well, they need to educate themselves, they need to pay attention. Maybe they need to listen to the news when they go to work. There’s this whole idea of looking down your nose at the average person in the United States, and this is stuffiness as the we’re the educated ones were the ones on TV. And you need to listen to us. And I think that America gave them a very emphatic. Go kick rocks. We don’t care what you think while you’re complaining about these issues that we don’t care about eggs or $18.00 a box in the store, we don’t care about what you Hollywood celebrities say about how we should vote about who we are, whether or not we’re garbage or deplorable or whatever. And America let them know and they are on TV and they just can’t handle it. They don’t know what to do with themselves. Ohh my goodness, goodness me. What happened? Well, America just told you what happened. Yeah.

[MCG]

Well, Sam, that’s a rap. That’s the rap staff. We can end the podcast right here.

[Sam]

And you know, I agree. And I think that maybe the Democrats should have listened to one of their heroes from 20 years ago, Bill Clinton, when he said that it’s the economy. That’s the number one issue, you know? And so they should have focused more on helping our economy do better, because if that’s not going good. Then we don’t really care about the other issues. You know, at least that’s the theory that Bill Clinton proposed. And I think that these election results. Might support that idea, at least in part, you know so.

[MCG]

Yeah, as the saying goes, there is the economy. Stupid Sonia also knows mentioned the fact that 92% of black women voted for Trump. Well, Jay for Harris, yeah. Yes, 92% voted for Harris. So, Jay, you are a woman. You are a black woman. Why is it that you are not among your group at 90?

[Sam]

I still don’t buy that staff.

[MCG]

2%.

[Jay]

OK, there are many reasons why I did not vote for Harris. The overwhelming majority of women, black women in this country, voted for Harris simply because she is black adjacent. She’s blackish and she’s not even fully black. Even Trump made fun of her and said I didn’t know she was black until this election, and he’s got a point. She was running as Indian the whole time. OK, OK, my conspiracy theory.

[MCG]

We’ll talk about that later.

[Jay]

Right. Most of the women were voting on an emotional base. I’m voting for her because I want to crack that glass ceiling and I want my daughters to see that anything is possible and us women gotta sit together. There’s this whole idea. It’s no different from when Biden said to Charlamagne. If you’re not voting for me, you’re not black. Well, the women were like, you know. If you’re a woman. You have to vote for Karma. My hair is because that’s the only thing that matters. Is the type of gonads that you have because women are that level of intelligent when it comes to the issues and that’s condescending. That’s insulting. You’re talking to someone who refused to continue and refused to receive a Commission in the United States Marine Corps because her boss told her that she was going to have an easier time getting the Commission. Because she’s a woman and because she’s black. I found that insulting and I got out. One of the main reasons. They got out when you talk to people like that, you’re telling them, hey, I don’t trust you to understand what the issues are. I don’t trust you to have a moral compass. I don’t trust you to be an independent thinker. You have to think like us. And this is who you have to vote for. And I am disappointed to hear that 92% of black women voted for her. And I can’t. Hey, it’s. And what policy does she put out there? That was any indication that that things are going to get better. I can’t think of a single policy that would have benefited women, black women and Sunny Hassan is being in all of the view are being disingenuous when they’re talking about the issue of abortion. They make it sound as though the abolition of Roe means that everyone is going to have to die. Giving childbirth now and that there are no options for women and all Roe did was send the issue of abortion back to the states where it. Now if you ask me, I am a Christian. I don’t think there’s any place for abortion in this country. But the people I’ve spoken, the Supreme Court looked at it and saw that it was not good law. They overturned it. Now it’s back to the states. But because they’re talking to people as though they were low, what is IQ? Low IQ voters. Garbage. Garbage. Deplorable.

[Jay]

Hey, you have to vote for your freedom. So many people took the tick tock the following day or in the waking hours when we realized that Trump had swept everything. Ohh my daughters have less freedom than I do and they’re crying and just smoking everything on TikTok. They set up cameras to cry. To show the world how virtuous they are, they’re so disappointed that we didn’t vote in a black woman into the office. Stop talking down to people. We’re not idiots. We can see what’s happening. If 92% of black women voted for Kamala Harris, I would like to think that there was some sort of substantive policy that they were going for. But we all know that they were all marching in lockstep. For the Democratic machine, for all of these talking points for the platform, they were not voting because she had anything substantive to after.

[Jay]

I’m done ranting now. I apologize to everyone that had to sit there. And listen.

[MCG]

To me. Alright, Sam, I’m going to bring you in on a similar question. So 92% of black women went for Harris and I think it. Was. Like 52. Go ahead.

[Sam]

Don’t buy it. I don’t buy it. Sorry, no, the 92 thing is really bugging me and I decided to pull up some election stats. This is more local, but I was just looking at Mobile County and how our vote was for Trump versus Kamala and then what our race demographics are and at least in Mobile County, I don’t buy 92% of black women.

[MCG]

Well, well, that’s nationwide, though, mobilizes red as.

[Sam]

It’s almost.

[MCG]

As the as the blood so.

[Sam]

Mobile is not as red as you might think it is. I mean we have, right?

[MCG]

Well, Alabama.

[Sam]

What’s that?

[MCG]

Alabama, look in LA County or something. She probably got closer to 100% of the black women vote in.

[Sam]

LA county. Ohh yeah. But I mean we have drag Queen story time in mobile. AL Mobile is more liberal part of Alabama.

[MCG]

Well, that’s true because it’s one of the major cities. So yeah.

[Sam]

That would be true. Yeah. And of course you have Montgomery and and that area is more liberal as well. Birmingham. I mean, for goodness sake, my congresswoman or congressman, and now I need to check, is a Democrat now in mobile, AL. So yeah, at least the numbers weren’t finalized, but he was in the lead. I think it was a he let me go back to the House race. Double checked. I didn’t vote for him. I voted for.

[MCG]

Oh wow.

[Sam]

Caroline Dobson, but I believe she lost to the demon. Yeah.

[MCG]

Well, while you do that, let me show the question I want to ask you because it’s related. So what she said about 52% of white women went for Harris I. Think.

[Sam]

Mm-hmm.

[MCG]

Do you buy that 152% of white women went for Harris or, well, No, 52 actually went for Trump because they’re uneducated.

[Sam]

I can buy that a lot better than I can buy the 92 black women I just pulled up some stats on CNN and they’re saying for the 2024 election and.

[Sam]

They did some exit polls and for them they have 84% is that.

[MCG]

Right. Black or? Black combine would be 80, something which is big for.

[Sam]

Black women. Is what I’m seeing. Ohh cool. So cause the 92% Pre vote poll. See what I suspect is. I mean I can buy that a lot of black women voted Democrat. I can buy that. But I don’t buy that it’s as high as 92. The thing I’m thinking is maybe some of the black women aren’t answering the calls. I know when I get pollster calls, I don’t answer, especially not if it has anything to do with Trump, because I just don’t wanna deal with whoever is calling and I don’t really feel like giving them information either. And then also, the other thing is there’s a lot of peer pressure right in the black community, so.

[MCG]

Yeah.

[Sam]

If you say, oh, you’re going to go with the conservative side, then you may get yelled at and a lot of people don’t want to hear it. I think a lot of us guys don’t mind a fight as much as the women. So I think we’ve been hesitant. Those of us who are. But you know, maybe with Trump we’ve been a little bit more vocal, but the women, I don’t think they want that fight, even if they are gonna vote for Trump. And so I think that skews the numbers higher than they actually are. I don’t buy that 92. And if I’m understanding the exit poll information from CNN, it looks to me like CNN thinks it’s about 10.

[MCG]

Hmm.

[Sam]

Percentage points lower 810 percentage points lower, so that’s interesting.

[MCG]

OK. So what about the 52% of white women that went for Trump, do you think? That it’s because they’re uneducated. I know Jay would give us the rent, but I’m going to throw you over. You might know something about the white women vote that we don’t, so.

[Sam]

You know, I mean, I think education does play a role in this, but I don’t think it’s the way that they’re spinning it. I think education plays a role because the greater your education, perhaps some more opportunities you have to make money and the more money you have, the less this terrible economy. You know, the less obvious its effect is on you. You have more margin. Is what I’m saying. So like for us under Trump, we were paying ex. Dollars a week in groceries while under Biden. We’re paying about 1.9 X. For groceries and we did have another kid. So from Trump to Biden, we have a three-year old added to our mix and an 8 month old. So of course that’s going to bump our prices up a little bit, but it shouldn’t be that much. You know, it shouldn’t be almost double. And so I know for me, I’m feeling it thankfully. You know, I think you and I were doing OK, but if I had a lower education, then we would really be struggling right now. And the economy would be even more important to me, and I think I’d be even more likely to vote for somebody that I thought would provide economic relief. And I think Trump’s made a good argument just based off of the last four years that we had with him.

[Jay]

Here’s another way to spend it, Sam, if we looked at the number of people that voted for Harris as a function of their college education, could we also say that it’s more likely that those that have gone to college are kind of indoctrinated into the leftist or into at least left ideology? Because I think one of the things that. These past four years has revealed is the level of ideological takeover of the academic institutions. They’re churning out graduates that are just indoctrinated. I’m repeating myself here, but it’s amazing how they think the groupthink and and all that sort of thing. Could it also be a function of that? Could that also be what’s happening?

[Sam]

Yeah. I mean, I think absolutely, I think you have the indoctrination and then maybe life choices that go along with that. So I’d be curious how many college educated women like, if you look at how many children come from college educated women versus.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Sam]

Less educated women sounds kind of funny, but I’m thinking about many of the college educated girls that I know, and there’s plenty of exceptions. But there does seem to be a higher prevalence of college educated girls that have more cats and dogs and less children. So, and even those that have children, maybe they only have.

[MCG]

Mm-hmm.

[Sam]

One or two versus other women that might have a lot more, I don’t know. That’s an interesting question. I try to think about like my own circumstances. In my case, my wife does have a degree. In fact, she’s got better than college degree, and she has a lot of kids. We have a lot of kids together, so she would be an exception to that. But I’m thinking of other girls and a lot of college educated girls that I can think of. They don’t have much in the way of kids, so I don’t know. I don’t know if that’s just anecdotal or if that’s the reality. But that would be interesting to look at.

[MCG]

Yeah, definitely. But to that point though, because I think that your wife, just like my wife, even though they have college degree and probably could be very successful in corporate America, they have chosen to prioritize raising their kids over, you know, working for the boss. And, you know, advancing their interests of the boss, they chose them to put that in their family. And the Democrats turned their nose down. And something like that because you know, why would you waste your education? You know, you’re not in the corporate world, you’re not yourself engineers. I’ve spoken to married women at work. I used to carpool with a married woman. She had two kids. And she was like. You know, she had a master’s degree and she said, you know, I spent a lot of money trying to get the education. And I want to work. And that’s the overall idea that she had, you know, I put all this effort in to get this. So I was. Have to work and she wasn’t necessarily leftist in a sense. Mm-hmm. She is Muslim, but she wasn’t, like, you know, practicing fundamental Muslim. But she’s raising a Muslim household, and that’s what she was telling me, you know, and and the other ladies that I work with are actually, I used a couple with two ladies. The other one wasn’t married, but they expressed the same thing.

[Sam]

MHM.

[MCG]

They really want to see their career grow. They really want to advance and the one that was a marriage, you didn’t have any kids at this point. I will say she’s probably in her mid 30s. And still don’t have any kids and her parents are not fine with that. But she like advancing in my career. And also I saw her stats that say it’s not just educated woman, it’s educated woman living in certain areas of the country and necessary area of the country. The richer areas of the country. Those are the ones that.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[MCG]

Went heavily for Harris because I’m not quite sure when she said. I dedicated exactly what you mean. She couldn’t mean that they don’t have a college degree. That doesn’t mean you’re uneducated.

[Jay]

Get that right.

[MCG]

But my gut feeling is saying is not whether they have a college degree or not. It’s more or not, it’s whether or not they are educated. In their mind, on the issues of the day, because how can they be educated on issues of the day and day of vote against Harris? That’s the impression I’m getting. How can they know that Donald Trump is Hitler and a threat to democracy and everything they say about him? How can they know all that? How can they be educated and all that and still not vote for him? I think that’s what they saying. Or then or they don’t have a chaotic, even though maybe a chaotic we might. Roll. All right. I have another one. Here is a woman and she said she voted because of the issue of abortion. Now I think she is a those election analysts or something like that. She went to the store to buy champagne before the election results came out to rejoice. And this is what she had to.

[Sam]

Alright.

[MCG]

Say to the clerk.

[Election Analyst Clip]

OK. So we’re closing in on almost 5:00 PM Eastern Time and I’ve been tracking everything that’s been going on across the country today. And my most important encounter was when I. Out to get my champagne. I was talking to the guy in the store. Of course, asking him did he vote? And he said he did early voting and he asked me if I early voted and he asked me, you know, why I was getting the champagne. And I said because I’m going to be toasting. Madam President, tonight and he just looked at me with kind of like a smirk on his face. And I said, you know, she’s she’s gonna win this right, he says. Ohh well it’s very. Very close and I said no, it’s not says, well, what do you mean? I said no, it’s not. The Women of America. Are making their voices heard. Reproductive rights is what it all comes down to, and the women are voting in numbers relative to men that are unbelievable. She’s won this and I said to him, she’s going to take every one of the swing states plus plus Iowa. And he said Ohh. But the numbers are so close. I said I’m a political analyst. I’m telling you right now. Numbers are there. She’s taking this election, I said to him, you realize, and he didn’t tell me who he voted for. But of course I knew. And I said, you do realize you wasted your. Vote right. And I didn’t care. I walked out with my bottle of champagne and happily walked home. Bye bye.

[MCG]

I wonder where she is today.

[Jay]

She drowned herself. She drowned herself in in her champagne. She drowned her sorrows into her champagne, cackling like her preferred candidate. She drowned her sorrows in her champagne.

[Sam]

She probably had to go back and get some hard liquor, honestly.

[MCG]

I don’t know, Sir. I might have to. I may have to cut that 107.

[Jay]

God vodka. She just couldn’t handle it. Ohh.

[MCG]

You might guess, and the garbage people. Wow. Anyways, back to the serious spot. So she said that woman was going to be voting more on abortion. And reproductive rights. That’s why Kamala is going to win Jay. Now tell me you did vote to protect reproductive rights, did you?

[Jay]

No, actually, I think the Democrats made a terrible mistake on making this an issue. It galvanized the fringe elements of their base. It didn’t really move the needle among regular white women. They thought it that it would, but it really didn’t make much of a difference. It seems that, and I’m no political analyst. I’m sure that wine mom over there is more of a political analyst than I am, but it seems like Kamala Harris. I’m sorry. That was deplorable of me. Kamala Harris underperformed with the demographics that are traditionally democratic white women, black voters, where she underperformed, Trump made modest gains compared to the previous elections, and that was enough to put him over the white women. The price they go to the grocery store more often than they go to the abortion clinics. Who would have known the economy was the main issue? I would imagine, and yeah, and many people. She’s also train of thought.

[MCG]

This economy stupid. Yeah. Well, you think about that. I’ll say this though, because I was reading an article by to give NBC. And of course, you know, NBC is no friend of Trump, right? But you remember that rally Trump had in the Bronx in New York, and a lot of the Democrats were complaining. And saying ohh why is he here? This is blue country or whatever the case may be, but they made a distinction that I was reading and this coming out. This is actual stat I should have kept the article but now they’re saying what Trump did was ingenious because Trump was able to tap into something. That the Democrat Party couldn’t happen to it was that even within these communities, they say most of the people that attended that rally, it had in the Bronx were minorities, and minorities were swinging heavily towards Donald Trump. Of course, he didn’t win the Bronx. Of course not. But he gained.

[Jay]

What was that?

[Sam]

Hmm.

[MCG]

So much votes from the that kind of propel them over into the popular vote. So he going into the heart of blue country and having rallies and still join all these people look just before the election, he filled the Madison Square Garden in New York. Yeah, there’s no way he was going to win New York. But you can see. Me and of course, is the economy, stupid. And the other thing that I read in an article that stood out as well was that a lot of folks that were Democrats are weary of the LGBTQIA movement, especially the trance movement, the add LG that they push in the schools. Yes. Of these, mothers want their boys to grow up to be men and want the girls to grow up to. Woman and they’re pushing a lot. This ideology and Trump had a campaign ad that talked about. Kamala is for day them I am. For you. Yeah. And the statistic from that ad said that that resonated with people way more than any other ads. So people you can see is the economy time. You talk about how your growth bill got. It’s no different for us, our families, about the same. Guys, I wrote a budget software that I use to manage my home. I can go back and show you exactly every year on the Trump every year on the Biden what my grocery bill was for that year, complete year. I can pull reports and entire stuff. Yes, I know I geek out on it, but yes, I can even probably pull up some chads and grass or whatever I want to pull up from the software I wrote. I can show you how my grocery bill go up now. Is that even to get more personal, I can show you how many months my wife went over the grocery budget because things were so expensive. So right, it’s economy, it’s gas prices from since. COVID I need to have to go into the office. That’s the reason why my gas building to go up because I didn’t have to fill my tank so much because I wasn’t driving into the office. But gas prices went up. So you have the economy, immigration issues that we talked about. You know that too was an issue. All these were laid at the feet of. Marla Harris because she’s tied to Biden. And not only that, we had four years of Trump that we can compare to four years of Biden. When was the last time we had that? I don’t know. But that was significant because people remember the prices of gas. I remember gas was $0.99 for a week or so here on the Trump gas was $1.00. Something when Trump left office here, less than 150 when Trump left office, and in two or three months under Biden, I remember gas went all the way up. Almost 4 bucks here because.

[Sam]

Yeah, the first thing he did was sign an executive order to block one of the pipelines if I.

[MCG]

Remember that only that the fracking and all this stuff that Trump was allowing all those went away. Of course, they’re gonna hit in the pocket of the small man, but I have noticed on that. But I’m gonna let you come in, Sam, and then we’re gonna go in, Debra.

[Sam]

Yeah. So two things popped into my mind, but First off, I wanted to get back to the education thing real quick. I did look it up, birth rate statistics in the United States, this is 2023 by educational attainment of mother. And it does look like maybe not by as much as I thought. But it does look like less educated women. Do reproduce a little bit more and in this case I’m looking at women with partial college attendance or less, right? So like, if you look at women with a bachelor’s degree. For every 1000 women, you have 55 births and then graduate degree or professional degree. So graduate or above, it’s 61 births for every 1000 mother. So that’s like, well, that’s bigger numbers. It seems to be going up. But then if you look at partial college attendance, it’s 50 births per thousand and these are.

[MCG]

Hmm.

[Sam]

Separate bins, so they’re exclusive to each other, and then mothers that graduated high school but did not attend college, 58 births per thousand and then less than high school, is 32 births per thousand. So if. Take partial college and less. That’s what we’re looking at. Something like 140. A 150 births per thousand versus about 110 births per thousand for college degree and above. So it looks like less educated women do have more children. Just by a little bit. Well, I mean, we’re talking about 30% more. Oh, wow. So they have less money and they have a larger burden, more children to take. Narrow but then you brought up wine. Mama and her celebrating prematurely. Kamala Harris’s victory. She was strong on that. What kind of struck me on that video? I did see it before this podcast. Two things kind of jumped out at me. One. Why does she care about, quote, UN quote, reproductive rights? Or in this case, it’s really the. Ability to kill your child before you give birth to it. Why does she care about that? This woman seems to be older and I don’t expect her to be pregnant anytime soon. I don’t even know if it’s possible because of.

[MCG]

What do you mean, misogynistic, huh?

[Sam]

Well, she called her. I think the clock is probably run out for her. You.

[MCG]

I would agree with you.

[Sam]

Know. So I’m not trying to be mean or anything, so I don’t know why it’s an issue for her. Maybe she might claim well because of a friend of hers or something like that, or her fellow woman. What’s?

[MCG]

Your granddaughter. That her granddaughter? Her daughter.

[Sam]

Yeah, maybe that’s our argument. But then the other thing that kind of struck me is. OK, even for these women who can get pregnant, and they may be worried about it. I mean, obviously, of course, as Christians, we believe that. You know, we should behave morally and so sex should be just in marriage. And so getting pregnant shouldn’t be that big of a deal for a lot of us because we should have support in the form of a spouse. But I guess for me, The thing is like, it’s kind of crazy to me that all these women are saying they want the right to kill their own child. And it made me think of a verse in the Bible, Second Timothy, Chapter 3, verses one to five, and it says this, though also that in the last days perilous times shall come. Verse 2 for men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents. We see a lot of that.

[MCG]

MHM.

[Sam]

Unthankful unholy verse 3 without natural affection. So that’s kind of interesting truth Breakers, false accusers, incontinent fears, despisers of those that are good. And it just goes on and on and on. Verse 4 gives more description than verse 5 gives more as well. Without natural affection, you know.

[MCG]

Mm-hmm.

[Sam]

I’ve kind of wonder if two categories are covered with that. You know 1 might be the whole LGBTQ because men. Aren’t naturally supposed to like other men. That’s unnatural, and same thing for women. But then also you look at people who some of them don’t mind and others seem to be rather gleeful to kill their own children. And to me, that’s a lack of affection that you would expect somebody to natural.

[MCG]

Hmm.

[Sam]

Really. Have you think somebody would naturally care about their own children, you know? Or I saw a video of a guy who was crying because he voted for Kamala Harris for the sake of his daughters. He wanted them to have the right to kill their own babies. And for me, it’s like, what kind of a grandpa thinks like that? You know, this is or would be grandpa.

[MCG]

Right.

[Sam]

But I guess he doesn’t want to be a grandpa because he wants his grandbabies killed or he wants that possibility. Anyway, it’s just so bizarre. But I think the Bible says that this would happen towards the end days.

[MCG]

Yeah, I think one big thing here as well is that at least I get the person that Kamala Harris wanted us to believe a lie meaning. That she constantly tells us that Trump was Hitler. He’s treated democracy. He want to take abortion rights away, and of course, none of us here are for abortion. But as Jay said earlier, one thing the suffering court did was send it back to the states, and they’re making, it seems like, ohh, their women dying and all and and and stuff like that except for few states in the country. To be honest, most states they can still have an abortion. Up to a certain amount of weeks. So basically what you’re saying, unless it is. If unhindered and they can have it up to nine months or whatever 10 months or whatever just before delivery, it seems like that’s basically what they’re saying because majority of the states, they can still have it. No states in the country will refuse to intervene for ectopic pregnancy. None. So. What they’re saying here is that they they want us to believe the lie, but also that they were going to break, I think a demographic that would look over. I think Jay mentioned this to me when we were talking earlier before the podcast was the. Fish. The Amish came out in fourth in Pennsylvania and other places because they’re feeling it, too. You’re talking about when you take off the Amish. You know, you lose. That’s over. Because you know, they’re coming out. How much stronger and going like they’re going to vote for the average man because for the same reason, the economy, stupid as the famous code goes. And whatever else that affect their communities. You know, so anyways.

[Sam]

Well, the Amish were being targeted by I want to say Biden bureaucrats in the FDA, if I remember correctly.

[MCG]

Oh yeah, that’s true. That’s true. With the meat that we’re selling in the community. Yep. Yep. I remember that. No. Yeah, there. Yeah.

[Jay]

There as well.

[Sam]

Thrown in jail.

[MCG]

Yep.

[Sam]

So yeah, I don’t think that really made them like Biden or Kamala very much.

[MCG]

Yeah, that’s true. Alright, we’ll come by the other side. We’ll continue this discussion. You’re listening to the removing Barro’s podcast. We’re sitting now with Sam and we are talking about the demographics of Trump. Victory. We’ll be right back.

[Jay]

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[MCG]

Alright, Mr. Sam. So we have been talking about the demographics of the Trump victory. We see that blacks are the whole, which basically was the only demographic that went heavily towards Kamala Harris. However, Trump did gain about what I think 23% of the black vote, which is tremendous. That is a landslide. When it comes to black people voting for the Republican Party, so even though Kamala Harris still won. And majority of the black vote Trump getting 20 something percent is crazy because Obama got 90 something percent Hillary got. I think it would Hillary go and he got like 8% I think every. Other demographics were. Somewhat leaning Trump, but it wasn’t as big in terms of, I think, the Asian community was 50 something percent, maybe. Trump Low 50’s the white vote is normally split, but white men especially went for Trump heavily overcome Marla Harris. I think also. If you go with other demographics out there, but I want to talk about black men for a little bit here, because Obama did give this speech to black men because he figured that they didn’t want to vote for Kamala Harris. So I’m gonna play this clip. But then we gonna talk about why the black man did not vote at the level they voted for Obama.

[Obama Clip]

Yes. We have not yet seen the same kinds of energy. Turn out. In all quarters of our neighborhoods and communities, as we saw when I was running.

[MCG]

No. You see here, I wonder if he sat down and asked himself, why am I asking the turnout for Kamala Harris as the eternal for me. But anyways, I’ll let him finish. Now.

[Obama Clip]

I also want to say that that seems to be more pronounced. With the brothers. So if you don’t mind just for a second, I’m going to speak to y’all. And say that. When you have. A choice that is this clear. And on the one hand you have. Somebody who? Grew up like nosy. Went to college with you. Understands the struggles. And. Pain and joy and come.

[MCG]

Otherwise, vote along racial lines, but continue Obama.

[Obama Clip]

From those experiences. He’s had to work harder and do more.

[Obama Clip]

And overcome. And achieves the second highest office in the.

[MCG]

It’s at the end of it anyways. Let me show it to you, Sam. Since we know you are a black man born and raised in the United States of America. Firstly, Obama was talking to Someone Like You. You are turning against Kamala Harris. Firstly, how do you feel about that? Obama telling that to you. And then why do you think that black men did not vote for Kamala Harris? Kamala Harris at the level they voted for Obama?

[Sam]

You know, the first thing that I think jumps out at me is Obama. I don’t like his tone. Right? So let’s say I was. If somebody came to me and said the same thing. You.

[Sam]

Hmm.

[Sam]

So about the subject that I agreed with, but they had that kind of a tone. I don’t like it and.

[MCG]

You’re a grown man. You don’t want people talking to you like that.

[Sam]

I don’t think. Yeah. And I don’t think other black guys like it. Either you know.

[Jay]

What was this tone, Sam? If you could elucidate for knuckleheads like me, was he condescending, or was he just patronizing? Was he annoying? What was the tone that you didn’t like so much?

[MCG]

Wow for me. Also patronizing fit the bill more. Unconsented.

[Sam]

Yeah, patronizing or almost like he feels like he has the right. To tell me how to vote right?

[MCG]

Yep. You hit the nail on.

[Sam]

The head right there. Yeah. So instead of that, he should try a more persuasive tact. Like, hey, you know, I noticed that Black brothers aren’t as excited about Kamala as they should be. Let me explain to you like why you should be excited about Kamala Harris.

[MCG]

Hmm.

[Sam]

Or even if you can’t say that, then maybe, say, maybe Kamala Harris is not the most exciting candidate, but Trump is going to be more of a problem for you, you know, and point out where Trump is deficient. And Kamala Harris is better. Do something persuasive, you know? Don’t try to like, bludgeon and and tell me it almost is like. A father scolding his son, which a father may have the right to. Too, but Obama’s not my father, and I’m a grown man, right? So I don’t wanna hear him talking to me like that. And I don’t think a lot of guys wanted to hear it. So yeah, I don’t think that works very well. I tried to wonder, why would Obama take that tack and half of me wonders if he’s going back to his years as a community leader or something like that.

[MCG]

Right.

[Sam]

Maybe you know if he comes across as a brother talking to another brother, he may be given a little bit more leeway, but he’s no longer that now. He’s more of a political elite, if you will, and so even the direction that this attack, for lack of a better word or like him saying, hey, look brothers.

[MCG]

Yep.

[Sam]

We need to do this like it’s no longer coming from a fellow brother at our level, but it’s coming from someone on high, if you will. Mm-hmm. So he has to take a different tack, in my opinion. If you want to be more. Effective, he needed to take a different tack.

[MCG]

Yeah. For me, I’m stubborn. So if you want to convince me of something. Saying there are two things you have to do. Either prove it to me from scriptures that the Bible says something and I’m going against it. You can prove it. Hopefully my love for God and obedience to his word will persuade me to change. The other thing is you’re going to have to use reason and logic. If you come to me the way Obama came to these guys. It’s not gonna work. What’s the reason? And what’s the logic that you’re going to use for me to change my mind as something that I’m really convinced of? Telling me because she’s black, she went to HBCU. She grew up the way I grew up and all these things, it’s not reason and logic. You’re asking me to basically ignore everything else and vote based upon identity, which I think may be based on the election. Results that the country is somewhat moving away from identity and really honoured the red, white and blue I guess. But anyway, go ahead Sam.

[Sam]

Yeah. Well, I mean, that’s another thing that you bring up when you talk about identity. And Obama was saying that Kamala Harris grew up like us and she knows what it’s like to be a black person. In America and first of all, I have to say that being a black person in America, you know, being a person in any country has its pluses and minuses. But I think that overall my experience in America, while I’ve had some negative experiences, my experience in America has been overall positive. And I’d much rather be here than anywhere else, you know, at this point in time, America has overall done more good for me. Than it has bad, so I don’t like the idea of being ungrateful about the nation that you’re in, especially when we’ve had such a good experience even. And my parents went through the whole civil rights thing. And I think they would feel the same way. They’d much rather be here in America than somewhere else. My mom went through integration in schools and whatnot when they had to have the. I think it was the National Guard brought in to Alabama. My mom was right there. She grew up in Alabama and went through all that. But I think the thing that I don’t like also and maybe not every black guy feels this way because I’m not sure that all of us have the information. And, but Kamala Harris did not grow up the same way that we did. You know, most black folks had more of a church background. And as far as I can tell, Kamala Harris, most of the pictures that I see from her younger life, religious pictures, it’s in a Hindu temple. And she grew up as far as I’m aware identifying with. Hinduism and I’m not knocking the Hindus. I’m a Christian and I believe in Christ. So I’m not a proponent of Hinduism, but me bringing this up is not me trying to attack them, but what I’m saying is she didn’t grow up in the same culture, right. And then we look at her actions when she was a prosecutor. In California, and she went after a lot of black folks and that all by itself doesn’t mean that she doesn’t care about black people. But then I look at what did she go after them for? Right. And I think about the mother that she locked up for truancy. And the mother had brought this up over and over again. But as far as I’m. Where the mother, while the mother wasn’t drunk but the daughter was, the daughter wasn’t attending as far as I understand, because of some health condition or something like that. And yet Kamala Harris gets this mom locked up for her daughter, not attending school even though she knew that there was some explanation for the daughter not being there. And to me it looks like.

[MCG]0

M.

[Sam]

We locked up a lot of folks, which a lot of them happened to be black because she wanted her numbers as a prosecutor higher. And so I think a lot of black folks that have looked at stuff like that, you know, that doesn’t help them want to vote for her. And that doesn’t make us feel like she. He knows what our experience is like. She’s part of the problem, right. And then if you look at Kamala Harris’s heritage, she talks about ohh. Her heritage is Jamaican and presumably that’s where her black heritage comes from. But the only solid heritage that I can find of hers from Jamaica is the Irish side. And the Harris family, they, you know, a generation or two back. They owned slaves. They had a large plantation and then they had a lot of servants in more modern times, and those servants were black and they weren’t rich like their their Irish masters, which is Kamala’s family, you know? So I’m not saying that there’s anything wrong with having servants, although the slave thing, I don’t really like but. You know, she tries to say that she grew up middle class, but it turns out that her family had a bunch of servants and then going back, they were. Slaves going back in time and she tries to claim that she’s one of us, but really to me, you know, she doesn’t have the Christian background even though she tries to play it when she goes to churches. To me, she’s just kind of an act and she tries to claim this black identity, but at least from an upbringing and a cultural standpoint. I don’t think she belongs and I don’t think that other black folks are convinced that she belongs either, you know, and there’s nothing wrong with being Indian you. But just don’t claim that you grew up in a black culture when you did not, you know, just be authentic. Give us the real you, you know, and that’s much better. But if you’re going to try to play as though you’re something else, I think that makes people skeptical.

[MCG]

Yeah, I think the multiple accents you put on depends on the audience she’s talking to kind of give credence to what you’re saying. But thinking about it, you know a lot of things Obama was saying there. I think gender did play a part in it. Did some black men decided not going to vote for Kamala because of her gender? I think a small percentage might say so. I think some men do not want the woman to be the commander in chief. Quite honestly, if I had to choose, I would prefer a man. And. In the opposite of presidency than a woman? Yeah, but I would not make that a top priority in my life. If a woman is running against a man. Let’s change Donald Trump into a woman and change Kamala into a man. And they have the same policies alerting a lot of men would still vote for the woman Trump on policy rather than the man Kamala, because of policy. One thing is that I think they don’t look at the fact that they had poor policy and I think that’s what turn off men more than anything in that sense. You know, I think race may have something to do with it. You know, she grew a part of her life in Canada. We’re going to discuss whether we think she’s black or not. But Obama, he got 80% of the vote of black people of black. Man Kamala didn’t get that. Quite honestly, I think the tackles turn off a lot of men as well. Other men don’t want to hear women laughing like that. Whatever case, maybe you can call it misogynist and some of it might be, but I’m just being honest. Some men were gonna be turned off by that. So I don’t think it’s race. I don’t think it’s gender. I don’t think those are the reason why black men. They weren’t, quote UN quote, feeling her or vote for her at the same level I did. If Obama, I think it is playing this simple policy, I think also charisma has a lot to play with it too, because Obama is articulate, he has charisma. He can’t really say Kamala has those things. I don’t you have a lot of charisma in terms of grabbing a crowd and everything and stuff and Obama being the first, quote, UN quote, to break the glass ceiling in terms of black person in the office. Didn’t feel it necessary to vote for Kamala just because she’s black, quote, UN quote. I think you touch and it’s a little bit different, but do you think either Obama or Kamala are black?

[Sam]

Yeah. Obama. Technically, I would say yes, but you know, for me Black is an interesting question because, you know, to me there are two components, at least when we’re talking politics, there’s two components to being black and one is an ethnic component. And I think Obama definitely has that. But then of course, you also have, like, an upbringing. And a cultural component. And I think Obama had has some of that. But, you know, I’ve even heard a lot of black guys, even those that supported Obama, saying that he was black, but he was not the same. Like, he wasn’t a real black man. All right? And I don’t know exactly what they’re getting it. I think it’s just more of like a cultural thing. I wish I would have asked them like what they meant by that, because these were Democrats. I’m pretty sure voted. Form, but like there’s something different about it. Maybe it’s because he was more of an international, like his upbringing was more international, umm, and then his stepfather, I believe his stepfather was Lolo. Santoro, who’s from Indonesia. So he’s not black, right? And then his mother was Irish. So his black father. Was out of his life for a lot of his upbringing, at least as far as I can tell. You know, Obama’s childhood and upbringing is a little bit unclear, but from the little bits that at least the official line. You know, Lola Santoro was his stepfather for quite a while. So for a lot of time, and he spent time in the madrasa in Indonesia and stuff like that, that upbringing is not consistent with Black American culture, you know? So. But I think that Barack Obama, for sure, I think he would resonate with black culture more than Kamala Harris. So Kamala Harris doesn’t strike me to be. Culturally, I don’t think she has much of that. Although the one thing she has in her favor, she did go to an HBCU and she is a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha. If I understand correctly. And I think that’s huge, especially for black women, I mean. That is. So that helps her, but that doesn’t help her with black men. So.

[MCG]

No, that’s true. Yeah. I think black men, at least this time around, voted big time on policy. But here’s how I will put that though, because if you ask me, it’s Kamala or Obama black.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[MCG]

I think the better question, to be honest, because I would say, well, are they black? I will say how do they identify if they say they are black, I will say they’re black, right? So I have no problem saying Kamala is a. Black Woman, Trump said.

[Sam]

Well, what if?

[MCG]

Was black. I’m getting to that, OK. Nor would I have a problem if Obama said he was black. I think the better question is, and I think a lot of times, this is what is overlooked, and I think you were getting towards it. But I don’t think you quite say it as I’m gonna say, but I think you will get into it. The better question is. Are they African American? That’s completely different than saying if they’re black because for me I am black, but I am not African American. Yeah. Because when you say African American, you’re talking about not just the color of your skin, you’re talking about the culture that you grew up in. You’re talking about unique experiences that you have that you can identify with. Each other with. I don’t have those unique experiences, of course. The Caribbean had slaves just like they were slaves in the US, and there’s a shared history there. But when slavery was abolished in the Caribbean and slave was abolished in the US, there was a totally different state. Basically, the white man left the Caribbean. When slavery was abolished and the Caribbean islands are 99.9%. Black for most of. Them. Yeah, you know, so you talk about dirty Black Country in the US is a different thing in US. You have, you know, the civil rights movement, redlining, segregation, all these things that happened in the US that didn’t necessarily happen in the islands. So we didn’t go through all that, so. I can’t identify it with the African American culture. I’ll put it this week. There’s this YouTube channel I’m trying to remember the name of it. If you come back to me, I’ll mention it. But this is YouTube channel that basically you have to guess. The impostor. You have the group of about 6 to 8 people and one of them would be an impostor. So they will have, like, you know. Seven woman and one man pretending to be a woman, you know, high voice and stuff like that. They all of them will be blindfolded so they can’t see anybody, so they will ask questions like, you know. Tell me about how did you grow up and all that stuff? There was one. I’m sure you still on YouTube where they did it with black men and there was one white guy in the mix. This white guy was adopted by a black family and grew up in the inner cities. He had the talk, he had the swag. He has the culture down pack because he was raising her.

[Sam]

Oh wow.

[MCG]

Black family. And you know everything about the way we cut our hair, the things we talk about in the Barber shop and everything. You know, this white guy went all the way to the end, and no one identified him as the. Impostor. Why? Why? Because. Being African American is not just about the color of your skin, it’s about the culture you. You up in my wife, Jay. She can talk about it if you want to. She was born and raised in this country, but she doesn’t identify as African American because her family’s from the Caribbean. And they’ve raised her with their Caribbean culture with each yesterday and podcast before her, mum didn’t want her to even associate with African Americans for whatever reason. So guess my point is, they rant and rage about whether Kamala is black. Whether she’s black but they never once said is she African American, which is what she’s not. This is not the thing again, Sir, because as I said before, I am not. I’m black and don’t want to look at me and think that I’m not black. My mom is black, my dad is black. As far as I know, go way back. My maternal great grandmother came from Peru, so there’s definitely some Hispanic lying in my blood, but again, no one would look at me and I will think that I’m not black, but I’m not African American and I think that’s.

[Sam]

Wow.

[MCG]

Fear they’re missing the mark because they’re saying, hey, oh, is she black? Is she black? Well, yeah. Her dad most likely is black from Jamaica, and I’m momma’s Indian. So.

[Sam]

There’s some dispute about that, actually.

[MCG]

Well, there might be, but since he from Jamaica I’m going to give him the black side. That’s my curving. Sister well.

[Sam]

Believe it or not, her father had an interview back in the 70s. I wish I could find it. Ever since this has become a hot topic, I’ve had a hard time finding it. But he was interviewed about whether he had any African heritage. And he said no.

[MCG]

No, there’s some people in the islands that don’t have African heritage, so that could be true. But whatever the case may be, if she wants to identify black because she has Jamaican heritage, I’ll give her that when the news and most people saying is she black, what they really accent is she African American. And the truth is she’s not African American. If you want to give a black, I have no problem give. The black in the case of Obama, I agree with everything you said with Obama. One of the reason why Obama can come across more as African American because I’m I’ve been too he can make the argument that he’s not African American. He’s black because his father, being from Kenya, one of the reason why he can’t give Obama more of the African American is 2 things. One Obama. Married to Michelle Obama, which you can say, OK. Being married to Michelle Obama kind of help him have that black experience and be integrated into the culture. And two, Obama pulled it off much better. Yeah. You know, if you wanted to put it playing a blunt, he pull it off much better, you know, Kamala’s accent come across to me has been forced. Obama seems to be able to, for lack of a better terminology, tap into his black side.

[Sam]

The point?

[MCG]

More and better than he could. If you want to put it away or his African American side. Go ahead.

[Sam]

Maybe it’s because publicly Obama only has one side, whereas Kamala has many sides publicly. You know, like when she was in California, she drummed up her Indian heritage like. Crazy. And then I saw at a rally in Mexico, not Mexico. Wow, in Texas. And she was trying to speak with the Hispanic accent. And then, of course, she goes to African American churches. And then she tries to put on her black accent. And so, like, how are you going to keep up with all that? Eventually, your facade is going to fall apart. If not for any other reason, just that people see you keep changing wherever you are. You know, whereas Obama, he was always, at least when it came to politics, he was always a black man, or at least tried to take on that identity. So I think it’s more believable.

[MCG]

Well, that’s true. Yeah. And in this world today, no matter where you are at and I don’t know why she did it, because no matter where you’re at, what are you’re in the heart of Minnesota, where it might be majority white or you might be in, you know, where Baltimore, where is majority black no matter where you’re at, it’s going to be on the Internet the minute you’re done and everybody gonna hear it. So you might as well don’t. She did that with even with the Muslim and their Arab community in Michigan. Why would you do that? Because everybody’s going to.

[Sam]

Wait, she did what with the Muslim? She put on a Muslim accent like an Arabic.

[MCG]

I don’t think it was a Muslim, I said, but she played up, you know, the war in this role and then when she talked to the Jews, she put on a different stuff. And I’m like, everybody is going to hear that because instantly, So what are you in New York or Florida? You have to have the same because you’re gonna be on the Internet right away, but anyways.

[Jay]

Ah.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Jay]

I’m just going through YouTube, pulling up all the. Videos of her different accents. For me to look at later, I don’t think they understand how condescending that comes across people. See that for what it is, and they’re not buying. And to reduce people to the color of their skin because you’re this way because you have this skin, you have to vote that way. And that’s assuming that black people are a monolith. I mean, we had an episode about whether or not black people are monoliths. We’re not. We described all kinds of groups of black people and what their experiences are like in the country and. Not everyone has the same experience, and to put one experience as more authentic as another is just wrong. When you have groupthink the way that the Democratic Party thinks. That’s what you have. To do, because otherwise you can’t corral people around this one hot button issue, you have to reduce them to something as immaterial as their skin color. Not saying that skin color is that important. I’m just saying that’s not all. We are, yeah.

[MCG]

Yeah. And I think the other thing that you have to keep in mind and Biden made a mistake when he was running, is that black people are not the man on it. And if you want to subset it it even more, even African Americans are not the money on it. If you want to subset it. More African American men are not a monolith. Yeah, they need to start putting these people. It needs these group and believe because of your color of your skin that you think. The same way, and I think America is probably the only country where they look at you and look at your color of your skin and believe that you have everything in common because of the colour of your skin. That’s not true. Should I trust someone more because they share my skin colour? Absolutely not. Should I trust them less because they share my skin colour? Absolutely not. Humans are humans. Stop trying to put people in the group and speak to people like they’re an individual.

[Sam]

Yeah. You know, honestly, I have to stand up for America here. Just. A little bit. We do, like you said, we do put each other in buckets based off of race a little bit too much, but I think it may be worse in South Africa and even worse still in China, so.

[MCG]

Well, I’ve never seen stats on diet, but The thing is, those countries are heavily won race.

[Jay]

Yeah, they’re quite homogeneous.

[MCG]

Right. So.

[Jay]

Homogeneous.

[Sam]

Really, South Africa.

[MCG]

Well, for most part I think there are more black people there. Of course they’re white people there as well, but for instance, I can talk about my fears growing up in the islands. The first thing I see about someone was never what it they’re black or white or whatever is there because argument can be made because everybody was basically the same. We were all of African descent. Maybe when we see an agent, maybe because they’re so rare. Well, not anymore. But there’s a lot of Chinese and stuff like that have moved to the islands. But maybe when you see those, or maybe when you see, you know, maybe, but actually maybe not. Is the island’s main industry is tourism, so we have people coming from all over the world and so we see all these people, but I don’t remember ever focusing on the color of the person’s skin. And I think that might be true in other countries like China, stuff like that way, much other people might be of Chinese descent. They might not focus so much on race. But I’ve never look up that statistics. But that’s interesting. But I’m not gonna trust someone or believe they have my best interests. That’s because we share the same skin color, so to speak. But I guess we already answered this question, but what weight do you put on raise when considering someone?

[Sam]

Yeah.

[MCG]

Vote for do you put any weight on weight?

[Sam]

At all. Wow. You know, I guess it would depend on the topics at hand. My initial answer would be no. I don’t put much weight on it. But maybe it would depend on the topics. A lot of the issues that we have in America today, I don’t think we really have any. Umm. So I mean, people say, well, we have race issues in America. There’s always going to be some problem between one group of people and another that’s going to exist at some level. So it’s never going to be perfect. But I do think that, you know, a lot of the problems that we had have been for the most part dealt with as far as it can be. So I don’t really see. Why? That would be a focus, you know, going forward. For me, the biggest thing is the cultural rot in America, and then maybe also the corruption, corruption and that’s both religious as well as, you know, other things like political corruption, people making. Decisions because they want to line their pockets, stuff like that. I think that’s our biggest problem because, you know, corruption is what drives us into wars right now. Corruption is causing the results of elections to be called into question. It’s causing people to go to jail that don’t necessarily need to be in jail like the mother with the supposedly. Through a daughter. So we have our border being compromised due to corruption. So yeah, I don’t really see why. Race matters at all right now. When it comes to electing somebody, the only reason why I would even consider race is if for some reason I felt like we had a lot of prejudice against a certain group of people and voting for that race might help that problem. But I don’t see that being anywhere near the top ten list of issues for us right now. So why, yeah, why would that be something to consider? You know, when we have much bigger problems?

[MCG]

It’s not even the top 100 for me.

[Sam]

Yeah, I don’t know if I would say it’s not in the top 100, but it is certainly not on the top list for me. I don’t even know where it would rank. I’d have to think about it, but we have much, much bigger.

[MCG]

Yeah.

[Sam]

Issues so.

[Jay]

Why do you think Kamala Harris lost the election? Is it because she was black and she didn’t get enough black support? Is it because she’s a woman and no one wants a woman president? And there are so many other excuses that pundits the day after came up with. But what do you think is the reason she lost the election?

[Sam]

Well. Well, this may not quite answer your question, but my first answer is she’s a terrible candidate, and if you look at her history, national politics anyway, I don’t think she’s ever won a single national. Well, she was a senator. But that’s not a national election, right? That was just.

[Jay]

Her state.

[Sam]

Representing California, I believe.

[MCG]

She won vice presidency, so I guess that’s one for her.

[Jay]

Yeah, but she.

[Sam]

Didn’t on the back of Biden. She won. Yeah, that’s a good point. But she never won a national election of her own political muster, if you will. I mean, because when she was running for president years ago, she was running against Biden in the Democrat. What do you call it? Primaries. Mm-hmm. And if I remember correctly. She was one of the first Democrats to drop out because she did so terribly after she got murdered on stage by Tulsi Gabbard. Hmm, things just didn’t work out. So.

[MCG]

MHM.

[Sam]

Right for her. I’m speaking figuratively here, obviously. If she ran for president later on, she wasn’t actually murdered. So, I mean, she didn’t win any of the primaries when Biden picked her, if I remember correctly, the press was going insane, saying, why would he pick such a terrible, you know, she said. A lot of bad things about Biden and she didn’t perform very well and people wondering in the national press why he would pick such a terrible candidate to be his vice president. And then she didn’t win the nomination. This time around, she was just appointed. And then, of course, we have all the cackling we have her strange sayings, things like the significance about the passage of time is how significant the passage of time is, or something weird like that. And. And of course. Yeah, or to the DMZ rather. And she talked to our soldiers and I don’t remember what she said to our soldiers, but it was like something really insignificant and so unimportant. You could see that the soldiers are really like, why is this lady talking to us about whatever it was? I think it may have been something about NASA. And they’re trying to deal with. Kim Jong Un, right? Like what do we care about NASA? You know, let’s talk about North Korea. She just seems to not be with the people that she’s trying to appeal to. She’s a terrible candidate, and I don’t fully understand why she’s so. Terrible. But maybe it goes back to what you said with the whole charisma. She just doesn’t have it. Some people do, some people don’t. And Kamala doesn’t. So I think you can wonder, how did she lose? Was it that people were misogynistic or they didn’t want? And I don’t think this is a form of misogyny, but maybe they didn’t want a woman president. Well, that might have been a factor. I mean, you can look at every woman candidate for President has not done very well. At the very least they didn’t win, right? So maybe you could try to make that argument, but then also when you look at like Hillary. She didn’t have charisma either, and before Kamala Harris, Hillary was nicknamed the Cackler, right? I don’t know if you all remember that, but then Kamala Harris came along and she stole the title. Hmm. So cackling Hillary is what a lot of people called her. So I think it is harder maybe to run for President as a woman, and there may be other issues. As well, but on top of all that, Kamala Harris, she just doesn’t have that connection with the people that were supposed to vote for her, so they shouldn’t have run her in the first place. In my opinion, they should have run somebody else. I think they would have been better off running Joe Biden. Believe it. Not then, Kamala, but.

[MCG]

Ohh wow. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with everything you said. I’m not quite sure Joe Biden would have done better, but that first debate, I think people would have said, hey, he’s not fit to be president, but for me. Kamala turned me off when, on the debate stage in the primaries in 2019, she accused Joe Biden of two things she accusing her of being basically a ******, or at least at minimum, sexual molestation, and she accused him of being a racist. Right. And then you turn around and upset his call to be his vice versa.

[Jay]

It was a debate.

[MCG]

And then she went on this late night show and was asked about it. And she said, as Jay just said, it was a debate and gave a chuckle. And I’m like, so when do I believe you, Camilla? When do I believe you? From that day on?

[Sam]

Ooh, that’s a good point.

[MCG]

She was in my new bucket because I don’t know when to believe you. OK, so sure. I believe you when you’re not on a debate. So should I assume everything you said in the one debate you have with Trump? Should I assume all that it was a? Debate, you know, stuff like that. You can’t accuse somebody of doing. The top 2. Greatest crime in the country today, the greatest crime you can accuse a man today of, at least in the US, it’s not even murder. It is calling him a racist and say he molest women, rape or whatever.

[Sam]

OK.

[MCG]

Those two are the top. They will forgive you for murder. They’re not gonna forgive for those two. And you’re telling me that you believe that? I guess you don’t believe it. Really. But but it wasn’t to be. That turned me off. So I would imagine that she lost for everything you just said. But for me that turned me off. And this is CNN analyst. His name is Scott Jennings. He’s one of the few conservative voices on CNN. This is what he said. I think he hit the. Nail on the head as well. This is a mandate.

[MCG]1

Has won the national popular vote for the first time since for a Republican for the first time since 2004. This is a big deal. This isn’t backing into the office. This is a mandate. To do what you said you were going to do. Get the economy working again for regular working class Americans. Fix immigration. Try to get crime under control. Try to reduce the chaos in the world. This this is a mandate from the American people. To do that. I think I’m interpreting the results to. Right. As the revenge of just the regular old working class American, the anonymous American who has been crushed. Insulted, condescended to. They’re not garbage. They’re not Nazis. They’re just regular people who get up and go to work every day and are trying to make a better life for their kids. And they feel like. They have been told to just shut up.

[MCG]

Yeah, the Amish as you mentioned. They’re uneducated white women who are taking care of their kids at home anyways.

[CNN Clip]

When they have complained about the things that are hurting them in their own lives. I also feel like this election as we sit here and pour over this tonight, is something of an indictment of the political information complex. I mean, we’ve been sitting around here for the last couple of weeks. And the story that was portrayed was not true, and we were told Puerto Rico was going to change the election. Liz Cheney, Nikki Haley. Voters, women lying to their husbands. Before that, it was Tim Walls and the camo hats. Night after night after night, we were told all these things and gimmicks were going to somehow push Harris. Over the line and we were just ignoring the fundamentals inflation. People feeling like that, they were barely able to tread water at best. That was the fundamentals of the election. And so I think that both parties should always look at the results of an election and figure out what went right and what went wrong. But I think for all of us who cover elections and talk about elections and do this on a day-to-day basis. We have to figure out how to understand, talk to, and listen to the half of the country that rose up. Tonight and said. We’ve had enough.

[Jay]

Hmm.

[MCG]

So there you have it. I fully agree with him, at least on a political and on this level. But let’s turn it around. Sam, why did you think Trump won the presidential election?

[Sam]

Wow. Well. That’s a good question. I think there’s, you know, there’s probably a bunch of things that helped him. You know, he had his base, which would be more of the Conservatives, and he didn’t have us, you know, from the thing.

[Sam]

But I guess, like the Conservatives who voted for him the first time because it was either him or Hillary. Right. And then when we watched him govern, staunch conservatives really liked what they were seeing. We were pleasantly surprised. I think I can say I was pleasantly surprised and then on top of that, you know, I wasn’t making the most money. But I felt my richest under. Well, I’m making, you know, maybe double what I made under Trump, right? Not quite double what I made under Trump, but I feel much poorer right now than I did with. Trump. So I like that the whole money and I like his more conservative governing than what I expected he would do. And then I know. This kind of goes back in the race a little bit, but I know a guy from my work. He was a supervisor at the time. He’s now working a different job and he’s black and he was all about Hillary before the election. But after Trump passed the tax cuts and after his pocketbook started doing really good, he said don’t tell. You know other people this, but I’m really glad that we have Trump in office, you know, and I think he was probably excited to vote for him again. So, you know, I think Trump, he had his conservative base just based off of the beginnings of his governing. I think he gained more people because of the economics. The great economics and then I think maybe he kind of got hurt with the whole January 6th thing just because of how the news. On it, but then all of the demonizing that they did to hurt Trump kind of got undone when they started trying to throw him in jail, and it seemed unfair or like they were going over the top. Something just didn’t feel right about it. And I know a lot of blacks that didn’t like that whole deal even. Democrats, that is, or traditional Democrats. And then I don’t really see it, but I’ve been told by other people, including people that said before this event they were voting for Joe Biden. And it was the assassination attempt in Pennsylvania. I know several people that were voting for Joe Biden, and after that, they said Trump has won the election is what they told me. And even they seemed to start to be persuaded in Trump’s direction after that. So I think, you know, you have all those things that maybe if I had to call out.

[MCG]

Yep.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Sam]

One thing it would be or two things. It would be the law fair and the assassination attempt, and I think the assassination attempt may not have had as much of an effect on people if it weren’t for the backdrop. Of the law there. So I don’t know that’s a good question. So you have that and then of course again you have to look at the deficiency of his competition, Kamala Harris just. Was not doing it. I don’t think for a lot of people people were not excited about her, except maybe women were. But men. I don’t think we were excited about her at all. You know? So. So yeah. You have a good experience with Trump. And then you see how the system seems to be going after him starts to make you wonder why and the other person seems to be a very weak candidate. I mean, who else are you going to vote for but Trump?

[MCG]

Yeah. For me again, I don’t disagree with anything you just said, Sam. I despise political ads. I couldn’t wait for the election to be over. You know what I did?

[Sam]

What’s that?

[MCG]

I changed my V. Yen to the UK or to some other country. So I stopped getting political ads from the US from YouTube because I listen to a lot of YouTube while I’m working and stuff like that. And the political ads would just drive me nuts. So I just put in there some foreign country so I don’t hear these political ads. But there are two ads that stood out to me. One was with Obama.

[Sam]

Wow.

[MCG]

Asking for donations for Kamala and one was with Trump asking for donation. I’m going to play both of them and I’m going to tell you why these two stood out. To me here with Obama 1st.

[Obama Clip]

$5. This. That is all it takes to make a difference in this election. If every single person watching this pitched in. Just $5. Right now, Tamala and Tim would have the resources they need to win in November. Because while Donald Trump’s campaign is funded by billionaires looking for a tax cut, Kamala and Tim have the strongest grassroots team in their core. And any amount adds up when wearing it together. So what do you say? 5 bucks. I know it means the world to them.

[MCG]

That’s Obama asking for 5 bucks for his campaign. Here’s Trump asking for 5 bucks as well.

[MCG]0

Our first quarter fundraising numbers are due to be given to the Federal Election Commission very, very soon. If you don’t have the funds, you don’t even have to think about doing it. Don’t give anything, don’t donate. Take care of yourself. But if you could chip in, if you have done well, if you’ve. Remember those great four years that we had where you made a lot? We need your help in posting massive numbers because the other side will spend billions and billions of dollars to stop us. That’s the only thing that can possibly stop us. They raise so much money from many of the wrong people, so get in there if you can afford it, chip in. And let’s get it done. Thank you very.

[MCG]

Much, no, you say MCG. What stood out to you about those two ads that cause it to stop and actually listen to them? Well, firstly, Obama said, hey, 5 bucks just 5 bucks. And Trump, say 5 bucks if you can afford it. What Trump just did was connected with the small man, and he’s a billionaire. I remember there was a time in my life where I wouldn’t be able to give anybody 5 bucks. When I graduated from college, I was dirt poor.

[Sam]

Yes.

[MCG]

So if you had asked me for 5 bucks, I was like, I don’t have 5 bucks. What are you doing? But Obama come across as. To me. As look, it’s just 5 bucks. I used to deliver pizza for one of the major pizza train in the training they tell us when you go, this is always the Mr. such and such. Or Mrs. Smith or whatever you ordered a large pepperoni with extra cheese. And that was just $25. They tell you to use the word just because it minimize to the hearer that ohh, this pizza wasn’t too expensive, it was just 25 bucks. So it’s almost come across me as it’s just 5 bucks. Donate to Kamala and him and Trump come and say well. I understand that you might not be able to afford it, but if you can, would you give us to me? He connected with the people and that’s hard to say when he’s considered someone who probably have been a millionaire or a millionaire, grew up in a wealthy family all his life. But I think that kind of give a like a good overarching picture of that he collected with the people. Connected with the everyday man, he had better policies, immigration, cost of living and quite honestly, I think he’s just the lesser of both. Fools, even though the Democrats didn’t tell us that.

[Jay]

I think you’re right. Another way that Trump connected with the common man was going on to Joe Rogan’s podcast, and JD Vance did the same thing. He was able to sit down with Joe Rogan and Converse for three hours and people just got a sense of who he actually was. When you sitting down talking to someone for three hours, you can’t really put up a front. Your talking points won’t last past the 1st 30 minutes and after that people get to see who you really are. And he was able to connect with people that way. Kamala Harris not only does she not do. To the podcast, she insisted that Joe Rogan would do the podcast on her terms. It just shows this elitist sort of mentality that the Democrat Party has right now and they’ve long since proven themselves no longer to be the party of the common man. So when you say MCG that he reached the common man, the small man, that’s exactly what happened, and it was evident throughout both of their campaigns.

[MCG]

MHM.

[MCG]

Yeah. Ohh well, let’s wrap it up. What do you think is the next move? Because we’re not talking about politics. We probably turn off all their excellent folks under Democratic side already. They probably not listen to this podcast over to the end. But as we’re moving barriers, we’re. That that’s talking about politics, because we just want to talk about politics. I think at this point, you know, what is the next move for Bible believing Christian? Because Christians voted for Trump way more than they voted for Kamala. What do you think is the next move for Christians? I thought with you Jayden all treated the same.

[Jay]

I think that these last let me think these last eight to 10 years, we’ve gotten a glimpse behind the curtain, as it were. To the inner workings of our country, I think a lot of our institutions that we thought were solid. We’ve come to realize just how thoroughly corrupt and rutted through they are, and I’m grateful that there are people like Donald Trump, like Elon Musk, like Tulsi Gabbard like RFK, like Larry Elder, like Thomas Sowell Daily Wire fill in the blank. The number of people who have stood in the gap despite their ideological differences and political differences, sit in the gap to say no. We will not bow the need to this extreme leftist. Agenda. We’re going to fight back and then in doing so, they showed this generation and the next how to fight back. I’m very, very grateful for that because it’s easy to think that when you’re living under the boot of your government that you have no options. There’s nothing that you can do and that’s simply not the case. So what should Christians do? Well, we have a window of opportunity here to really engage the. Culture and engage people for the gospel, for the truth to do something to undo the inoculation. The inculcation of leftist ideology that everyone seems to be holding on to that would allow them to vote the way that they do that would allow them to think that it’s OK for them to kill their.

[MCG]

Mm-hmm.

[Jay]

Babies that it’s OK for people to allow their children to mutilate their bodies, that it’s OK to do all of these things. One of the things that blew my mind about the Harris campaign, one of the ads that stood out to me was the ad where the husband and the wife go to vote and she voted a different way than her husband thought she did. And she lied to him about it and. Just like this. Hush, hush women are going to vote the way that they’re gonna vote. Your husband doesn’t need to know. It basically lied to your husband. Everything in the campaign for the Democrat Party, they ran on some sort of vice. Whether it’s lying to your husband or killing your babies or mutilating your bodies or disregarding the law of the country, letting people trample over the border. Was on some sort of vice and we we simply can’t. The country can’t thrive when it’s thumbing. Its nose is at God. The way that this party seems to have as their platform. And so anyway, the next step for Bible believing Christians is to.

[Sam]

Wow.

[Jay]

Engage your neighbor. Engage your community for the gospel. Knock on their doors. Share Christ with them. Raise your children the fear and nurture and admonition of the Lord Lord Church. Encourage the brethren worship God and create culture and a place where you inspire other people to do the same. And if you are in a position to do something big. And you have a platform, go ahead and do it. Elon Musk was in a position to buy Twitter, and I really believe he in many ways single handedly changed the course of the marketplace of ideas in this country. The censorship, the way that he stood up against censorship, he was uniquely positioned and able to do it and he did. And so we may not have billions of dollars to throw out a failed company like Twitter now, ex. But we can raise our children to love the Lord. We can witness to our neighbors. We can evangelize the lost. We can go to church, we can worship and praise God. We can do excellent work in our homes that had our jobs and we can influence others for Christ and hopefully by God’s mercy, we can start to be salt and light in a country that has long since turned its back on its creator. And I think that’s what Bible believing Christians should do. Sam, what do you think?

[Sam]

I couldn’t agree more. I feel like we got an opportunity to do this in Trump’s last term. OK, this is going to sound a little funny, but I want to say that if I’m remembering correctly, well this part. I know I’m remembering correctly. When Trump was running back in 2016. Alyssa and I, we were not Trump supporters. We thought he was a phony conservative, and truth be told, I still to this day think that he is a Kennedy Democrat.

[MCG]

Hmm.

[Sam]

But the left has gone so far left now that I probably am more closely aligned with Kennedy Democrats than I am with the, you know, the woke agenda that we see coming from Democrats today. Well, you know what, actually, of course, Trump is a Kennedy Democrat. He even has Kennedy on his looks like he’s going to be part of his cabinet. So that right there kind of proves that he’s a.

[Jay]

Yeah, RFK. Yep.

[Sam]

Kennedy, Democrat.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Sam]

Yeah, so ohh. Listen, I we were really upset back in 2016 when he won the Republican nomination. And we’re like, oh, no, this is a disaster. But of course, we weren’t going to vote for Hillary, so we had nothing but to vote for Trump. But I want to say around the time of the election, I don’t remember if this was just before or just after. And this is the part that’s gonna sound a little funny. But I felt like the Lord came to me in my sleep and said something along the lines. And again, this is what. 8-9 I don’t even know how many years ago now, so the memory is a little fuzzy, but I want to. Say what I got from this encounter, for lack of a better word, was that the Lord was saying, you know, don’t worry about attacking Trump. Don’t be all about going after Trump. And I got the impression that the Lord was trying to suggest to me that Trump was gonna block a lot of attacks coming for Christians. And that we needed to we as Christians needed to take this opportunity while we’re being. Shielded to get serious about promoting the gospel in America, and I thought about that. And I started to think, you know, what can I do? And I thought about it for a little bit and I think a few ideas came to mind, but they were inconvenient and I didn’t take it seriously. And so ultimately, I think I did not nothing. But close to. Thing, and that’s a shame, you know? And later on, Biden comes in and I don’t know whether it’s Biden or some other people, but a lot of persecution start coming. Christians ways, people who are, you know, just trying to educate mothers. They’re not being violent. But mothers may be about to get an abortion. And Christians are trying to educate them. Hey, you know, you don’t have to get an abortion. You know what an abortion is? Here’s some information about it, folks that are doing that are getting attacked by Bidens, DOJ, you know, and then people who are going against this whole like in Mobile County, a lot of parents here we don’t want drag. Queens doing story time with our children and a lot of us had the impression because political figures here were telling us that it wasn’t happening. But it turns out that it was happening even here in Mobile County, right? So then parents start to attend PTA meetings and stuff like that. Well, now it turns out that Biden’s DOJ and the FBI. Are marking parents not just here in mobile, but across the country that go to these PTA meetings? They’re marking them as potential domestic terrorists or not potentially. I believe they are getting like a terrorist label of some sort. And so, you know, whenever we try to fight against this dark age.

[MCG]

Well.

[Sam]

Kinda even just like indoctrination of our own children. And then of course we have parents where they have no say in their children being sterilized and having body parts chopped off so they can, you know, change their identity if you will. This is stuff that’s really happening to parents and to our children. And the government is actually coming after us. And you might imagine that the government may not be using as much force as they would like because they have an election coming up, which is now over. But if Kamala were elected, you know, they.

[MCG]

MHM.

[Sam]

Might act even. More forcefully, especially with tampon Tim, as the vice president. They they might act even more forcefully to sterilize our children, you know, and chop them up and all that, which is, you know, it’s not just politics now, but it’s actually more of a an anti Christian agenda. You know, even if you look at how tampon Tim treated the church in Minnesota, I think it’s. Minnesota’s home state? Mm-hmm.

[Jay]

Yep.

[Sam]

When we had the COVID lockdowns, he was one of the more strict governors and one of the more harsh governors against the church. It’s like, I think that the church was facing. Real possibilities of elevated persecution here in America. So we have another opportunity, I feel with Trump being reelected, I don’t imagine Trump doing much persecution of the church. I mean, we were a huge part of the people who helped push him across the finish line. So to me, this is another opportunity we need to get serious. If my dream was indeed from the Lord, I feel like I need to buckle down. And do what the Lord told me, and I’m hearing from other Christians all across the country that feel similar whether they felt the Lord talking to them directly or not seems like a lot of Christians feel like we need to get serious. We need to promote the gospel and bring about a revival, cause America. Up until recently, it seems like America has. Thanking God. And if we don’t stop this, we will be destroyed, you know? So we need to do something about this. And now’s our opportunity. So let’s do it.

[MCG]

Yeah, definitely. You know, I’m just going to sit this briefly and then we’ll get out of here, you know, in Trump first term. The late pastor, Clarence Sexton, said basically what you guys are saying, you know, God has given us a window. And he said that window is a window for revival. And I think a lot of time Christians look at that and think ohh Windows revival. Let’s win the loss. That’s part of it. But where does revival start? Revival. Start with the church with you. And I as Christians. We are the ones that now have this window. We need to be revived to be made alive again, to rekindle the Ember. And I think Christians in this nation believe that politics will do that. But politics will not do it. As Pastor Clara Sexton said, we may have a window, but politics would not do that. Politics will not win the laws. Politics will not change the course of this country. It may slow it down. Trump being in office gonna slow the the other things down.

[Jay]

Hmm.

[MCG]

But it’s not going to change the course of this country, so my plea is this until Jesus tarries our love for him should be demonstrated through our obedience, and that should continue. Our love for Christ demonstrate to our obedience should continue. Regardless of who is in the White House, and regardless of who is in the White House in season out of season, we need to be preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ trying to win the law for him.

[Sam]

When it comes to revival in America, I did briefly look over the history of revivals in America, and one of the things that I found in common with the 1st and 2nd revival. And then there are other more minor revivals, but they all seem to have something in common and that is that America was increasingly decadent. Our economy was not at its. Best there were a few other things, but there were a lot of bad things that were in common war. I think we had a lot of war going on for the 1st and 2nd Great Awakening. Either war had already happened or it was about to happen, but the good things that I saw in common, you talked about revival starting with the church. What I noticed and I want to say I heard this from somebody else as well. Is that I know with the second Great Awakening there were a lot of Bible studies that were happening. I want to say for like a year and a half, two years before the revival, really.

[MCG]

Yeah.

[Sam]

Loaded people are having Bible studies in their home. These were not church sponsored Bible studies and I don’t have anything wrong with the church. I’m not saying that the church shouldn’t sponsor Bible studies, but maybe be the fact that they were. Individuals that opened up their homes and said, hey, let’s have a Bible study. Maybe that indicates how serious the people were. I don’t know why, but that seems to be a common thread. I want to say with both the 1st and 2nd Great Awakening, but yeah. So like people would open up their homes, they’d have Bible studies, and these were church. People, but they just want to get more serious in their daily living about following God’s word. And then after about a year, year and a half of that, then the church seemed to start to grow and then you could start to see revival happen. So I guess I thought that was interesting. And I wonder if maybe we should be more serious about that. Studying the Bible and trying to encourage our neighbors and. Our community as well, and that.

[MCG]

Oh yeah. Bible studies are powerful means of evangelism. So yeah, definitely.

[Sam]

Even amongst those that are saved and we know, yeah.

[MCG]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Alright, Mr. Sam. We’ll leave it right there. Thank you so much for joining us on the Removing Barriers podcast.

[Sam]

Alrighty.

[Jay]

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[MCG]

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