Episode 181

As of the recording of this podcast, Israel is still engaged in a multi-front war following the surprise terrorist attacks of October 7th, 2023. What is actually happening in that war? How is it affecting the United States, and should we be in any way involved? What should Christians be doing, if anything at all? In this episode of the Removing Barriers podcast, we sit down again with the head of Jewish End-Time Ministries Dr. Henry Benach. On a daily basis, Dr. Benach works to reach the Jewish people for Christ and help Christians understand the issues surrounding the people and state of Israel for His glory. Don’t miss this informative episode!

[Dr. Henry Benach]

The two-state solution and I personally believe that the two-state solution is not a solution. The two-state solution is a problem. There will never be as far as I’m concerned, there will never be peace in the land of Israel as long as there is a. Coming together of the Jew and the Arab people at the same time.

[Jay]

Thank you for tuning in to the Removing Barriers podcast. I’m Jay and I’m MCG. And we’re attempting to remove barriers so we can all have a clear view of the cross.

[MCG]

This is episode 181 of the removing various podcasts, and in this episode, we will be discussing Israel at war. And joining us in this episode is our guest from Episode 163. He’s the president of the Jewish End-Time ministries, Dr. Henry Benach.

[Jay]

Hi, this is Jay. MCG and I would like for you to help us remove barriers by going to removingbarriers.net and subscribing to receive all things, removing barriers. If you’d like to take your efforts a bit further and help us keep the mics on, consider donating at removing barriers.net/donate, removing barriers. A clear view of the cross.

[MCG]

Dr. Benach, it is indeed a pleasure. Welcome back to the Removing Barriers podcasts.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

Thank you very much for having me. I look forward to speaking with you and perhaps sharing some insight into what’s going on in Israel.

[MCG]

Yeah, definitely. But before we get into Israel, what’s new at the Jewish End Time ministries since we last spoke?

[Dr. Henry Benach]

Well, we continue to travel to various mission fields to try to advance the Kingdom of. Christ, we have for the last 20 years, of course, traveled to Cuba. The evangelistic outreaches. There has been no less than 500 people that made professions of faith in Christ on every trip we’ve taken.

[MCG]

Amen.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

Then we have now begun since the war began in Ukraine. To start, go back to Ukraine, we’re closer to the front lines with military speaking to soldiers and refugees. Some of them just grabbing suitcases and running for their lives from the occupied areas. And so we’ve had good success holding Bible studies, preaching in some churches, and we’re having a good time at doing. It’s hard to travel, but it’s profitable and the Lord’s blessing.

[MCG]

Amen. How can folks get a hold of you and your ministry?

[Dr. Henry Benach]

Well, certainly they can contact us through our website. We have a website which is Jem, hyphen, missions, plural.com. They can e-mail me. I have an e-mail address and but basically through the website you can really get in touch with us in a clear way. We have material that they can order free. Of charge, we have tracts for Jewish people and we have a lot of different resource material for the church.

[MCG]

MHM.

[Jay]

Dr. Benach, I’m so glad that you’re here to talk with us on this podcast. Thank you for being here because I believe that you have a deeper understanding of what’s happening over in Israel than any of us could have here in America were inundated with all of the propaganda. Those that are for and those that are against. Sometimes it’s difficult to make heads or tails of what’s going on. Can you tell us what’s going on in Israel right now? We know that there’s a war. We know October 7th. What’s going on in Israel right now.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

One of the biggest. Thing that is happening in Israel is that Israel is waiting for a response from the country of Iran from their last barrage of missiles into Iran. They took out quite a bit of the defense areas so, and I think they were kind of softening things up so that they can get ready that if Iran responds with, they say they’re ready to do anytime now. Between now and the time the President takes office. They’re going to use some heavier equipment, heavier missiles, to try to bomb Israel. Then of course, there’s no doubt in my mind that Israel will then retaliate again, this time probably attacking their oil reserves and very possibly attacking the nuclear sites in Iran, which of course Israel does not want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. They’re not seeking it actively. They say they’re seeking it actively and so it’s either go back and forth and back and forth and blow up into something very big, possibly. And no telling what’s gonna happen.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[MCG]

Do you think Israel and Iran will ever go to war?

[Dr. Henry Benach]

Oh, I think they’re at war right now is kind of a tip for tat effort on their part. You know, Iran fires 200 missiles, Israel comes back and brings their fighter jets in and bombs them. Now Iran fires again, more missiles and Israel goes back. And so it goes back and forth. And, you know, it’s. On a powder keg with Iran. And of course, there’s also the possibility of Russia getting involved in there. I do not believe, and we can talk about this, but I don’t believe that we’re at a point. We’re going to have the war of Gog and Magog is finding these equal 38. There’s some things I believe have to happen before that can occur, but yeah, I believe there could be a a pretty good war going on and maybe Israel will, you know, settle the matter with Iran. And Iran will just say, OK, we give up. I don’t see that happening, but that should be a nice thing. Right now it’s. Tipping point of getting even more excavation.

[Jay]

It seems that there’s also skirmishes happening between Israel and Lebanon. Can you elucidate that a little bit as well, please?

[Dr. Henry Benach]

Well then, of course they are firing missiles from Lebanon into Israel on a regular basis. There’s firing drones, aerial vehicles and it’s non-stop. Now. Lebanon is firing continuously into Israel. And so and then in Israel is retaliating by firing back into Lebanon. I think the major problem. Areas that Lebanon has continued to escalate since the Gaza has been a problem and a lot of the Israel. Really, citizens have had to leave their homes in the northern part of Israel right on the Lebanon border and Israel’s trying to just clear that out and get it back where their citizens can go back into their homes. And of course, you know, they’re just firing from Lebanon. They’re firing from Iraq, they’re firing from Syria, they’re firing. From Iran, they’re firing from Gaza, firing from the hoodies in the South, and so they’re just getting bombarded from every different direction.

[Jay]

Not a skirmish them.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

And I think they’re bombing Beirut. They’ve killed every single one of the Lebanese Hezbollah leaders, every one of them.

[MCG]

Wow. Yeah, talking about that, because if you listen to the mainstream media and even a lot of new media on YouTube and stuff like that, one thing that I’m coming across a lot is that the IDF and even the Prime Minister of Israel, that they’re doing some things that they’re not defensible. Do you think that everything that they’re doing that? Sensible. At this point I put it this way. You know? Of course I don’t understand everything that’s going on, to be honest. But if someone punched me in the face, you know, I think I have the right to punch them back. But I don’t necessarily right to pull a knife out and stab them. So is Israel responds. Akin to pulling out a knife and stab them because they punch him in the face.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

And well, you know, it’s not quite a punching in the face. It’s like it. Maybe they punched them. In the face. In the beginning, but now they’re starting to go punching into the body and punching into the side and punching into the kidneys and punching into everything they possibly can. And Israel is just doing everything they can, and I really believe that. I think from what they’ve said. And what they’re doing, they are trying to make every effort. To minimalize the citizens being involved in this, they’re trying to make pinpoint missile damage without hurting the citizens. That’s impossible as a result of war, there’s always going to be casualties and there’s going to be collateral damage. But I think Israel is just trying to defend itself. I I just don’t see. That you know what? Should they do? Should they just stop? They said that if. The Hezbollah would stop firing missiles. There would be war. In I mean there would be peace in the land of Israel if Israel stopped fighting back and firing missiles back then, Israel would be destroyed. So they’re doing everything they can to defend themselves. I don’t know if that’s a good analogy to say, you know, punching the nose, but because they’re doing a lot more than punching in the nose there. Bombing and firing rockets constantly. They have 100,000 rockets. They’re just firing and firing and firing. So you know if it was me, I would do everything I can to stop it. You know, I don’t think they’ve gone that far or Israel has nuclear weapons. They could do a whole lot more than they’re doing. But right now they’re just trying to get rid of the Hezbollah leadership. And, you know, the Lebanese people themselves. And not bad people. From what I understand. But Hezbollah taken over. And causing all this problem.

[Jay]

Let’s talk about Hezbollah for just a moment, because it seems that it would be simple just to say that the Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah, all of these people that are attacking Iran are all evil, and they’re all at fault. And I wonder, should we just accept that, or should we give credence to what some podcasters, Youtubers pundits say that, hey, these people are just fighting back? Gaza and Palestinians are like an occupied people, and they have been for the past 60-70 years. They’re just fighting back and this is all just overblown. And Israel is overreacting. Which side should we fall on when we consider what’s happening over in that area?

[Dr. Henry Benach]

That’s the question that is. Could cause a lot of debate for my answer because I have a definitive answer of all of that, and I can start going back a little further and I’m sure that I would hope that people are listening are the good Christian people that want to understand the truth of what’s going on there in the Middle East prior to. World War One in the Middle East and going even further back to the time of the destruction of Jerusalem. There was never such a place in the Middle East that was actually called Palestine. It was not Palestine. What happened was after in. About 200. AD the Romans changed the name of that territory to palestinia. There was never anywhere in the Bible. If you read the Bible with it always talks about the land of Israel. I could probably quote several verses where it always says talks about Israel. So this land, this part of the country. That is called Palace. 9 was just given that name in an effort to erase the Jewish history from that land, the Jews were given that land, of course, by God in Genesis Chapter 15, he gave the parameters of the land to Abraham, telling them how far the land is. And of course they have very little of it right now. But that portion of the land in Gaza was the home of the Philistines. That’s what the philistines were. And Gaza was the home of the. Scenes, and so let’s move up to now. The 20th century and the there are people that have now moved into this area that were held by the Philistines. There is very clear evidence that the leadership of the Arab nations in that area did everything they can to, and this is not going to be a popular thing to say. That they did everything they could to invent a people called the Palestinian. There is no such. Thing as a true Palestinian, and I know people aren’t going to be happy to hear that, especially Palestinians. But the truth of the matter is the leaders of the Arab nations and I have quotes of leaders from the Arab nations, has said that the nation or the people of Palestine were an invention to try to do everything they can to eliminate. The people of Israel, from their land and so sorry to say I mean the truth of the matter is there are no Palestinian people, there was no Palestinian king, there was no Palestinian currency. There’s no Palestinian one. They made a flag they’ve invented and actually made a place there called. This time and so these people that are in Gaza, they were at one time it was occupied by Israel. But in the 1990s and a deal that was made with Bill Clinton, the country or the area of Gaza was given back to the, quote UN quote, Palestinian people from where the Israelis had been living there. They had beautiful. Gardens and beautiful pest free fruit vineyards. And so when they left when Israel left and you could see them on TV crying and you know, take away our land and giving the land to these people. And while that was happening. There was a small cloud that began to form in the Atlantic Ocean, but the Jewish people were being forced to leave that land in the Gaza Strip. There’s little cloud appeared in the Atlantic Ocean that came across the ocean, and it wasn’t just in a few days that we had the Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans. And this has always been And events of things that happen and God hates when people try to make the Jews give up their land. And there are many, many, many instances of what happened when there was a effort to clear the land. So as far as what’s going on there.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

They want to say that the Jews are occupying the land well, the Jews aren’t occupying the land, they own the land, and that land belongs to them and a lot more of the land belongs to them that they don’t have. So here comes October 7th of last year and people are living in peace along the outside. The same people that have been made to leave. Haza here comes Hamas with killing babies. I’m embarrassed to even talk about some of the things they did to those young children killed over 1200 people.

[MCG]

Hmm.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

And of course, Israel’s gonna respond and defend themselves as a result of all these. It was the greatest massacre of Jewish people since the Holocaust. So in my view, the Jews are not occupying the land they own, the land and all they’re doing right now is defending their country, their people, and they’re being. Attacked by the proxies of Iran from every direction. Now what’s the answer? I don’t know the answer. I know the answer, but that probably won’t happen. The answer is that all of those people need to leave. They probably need to go somewhere else and Israel have their land and the way God intended. To be.

[MCG]

You think that really would happen?

[Dr. Henry Benach]

I don’t think it will happen. I don’t believe it will happen. I do believe the next war that’s actually going to take place is a war that is found by reading Psalm 83. It’s a war that is going to be a lot of Arab nations coming against Israel like they’re doing now. And this could be that very war. All these nations of Israel. Coming against Israel and trying to defeat them, and from what I understand, and when I read in the script. Israel will win. This war will win that war and they will have probably a short relative time of peace now. When will that be? Well, that could be during the first 3 1/2 years of the reign of the Antichrist. That means that the rapture of the church, the taking away of the church could be very close. We’re around the cusp of this war. Right now, with all these Arab nations, and then when that happens and Israel has peace, that’s when the Bible says that when they’re in an area where there’s not walls and there’s a time of peace, that’s when Russia and the rest of these countries are coming down against Israel. According to Ezekiel 38 and 39, and once again for the Jewish people, we’ll win this war. There’ll be a tremendous bloodshed, and ultimately it’ll be the Jewish people who will defeat these other countries and God will protect them as far as people leaving. I don’t know. I have my own view about. That from reading the scripture why they should go and it is the same justification of when Abraham had to send Ishmael out of his home. And God said, you know, do what your wife says, send Israel out. And when Israel left the home of Abraham, then there was peace. And so the Bible equates Israel and Ishmael is is a contrast of the law and grace. And that was the only time there was peace. The only way there would be peace in the Middle East is if one or two, of course not. The. The Jews, but probably the Arab people would have to leave. I don’t. Believe that will happen, though I don’t believe that.

[Jay]

Just for reference, for those that are listening and can’t quite crack a Bible, the Scripture reference that doctor, but not just mentioned Psalm 83, keep not thou silence. Oh God, hold not thy peace and be not still oh God, for LO thine enemies make a tomalty. And they that hate thee have lifted up. The head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said come and let us cut them off from being a nation, that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance, for they have consulted together with one consent. They are confederate against the the tabernacles of Edom and the Ishmaelites of Moab. And the hagarenes and Gibal and Ammon and Amalek, the philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre. Asser is also joined with them. They have hope and the children of lot Sila and so all of these nations that have historical names as the Bible sees them. It seems like that indeed is happening right now and that’s incredible that the word of God lists and describes that thousands of years beforehand and we’re still seeing it in effect today.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

And, you know, and a lot of people are waiting for that event that occurs again if we were to reach Ezekiel 3839, God and May God, a lot of people are familiar with that. But personally, like I said, I kind of believe that this war that we’re talking about right now, there’s all these Confederate, you know, countries coming against Israel will be. The before Ezekiel 38 and 39 ever occurs.

[MCG]

So, you mentioned all other things there that Bernard and there’s a lot of directions in my mind that I could go here. But let’s talk about the line again, because what you’re hearing a lot is that there must be A2 state solution. There’s no way that we can, so to speak in man’s wisdom and what we can see without. Coming to A2 state solution and one of the arguments are one of the hits against Israel is that. The fact that they were able to turn off the water in Gaza, the fact that they were able to, you know, have so much control of basic utilities in Gaza prove that Hamas and the Palestinians had a point in terms that Israel were actually overreaching there. And let’s put it that way. What do you say to that? Because if you know, for instance. If the US should go out of war, let’s say we go to war with China. China doesn’t necessarily have the power to turn off the power and the water in the US. I know it’s kind of a different because they’re not connected, but let’s say Canada, you know, Canada wouldn’t have the power to turn off those utilities in the US, But Israel was able to do that. What do you say to a pushback like?

[Dr. Henry Benach]

Yeah.

Going back to what you said in the very beginning was concerning the land. The two state solution and I personally believe that the two state solution is not a solution. The two state solution is a problem. There will never be as far as I’m concerned, there will never be peace in the land of Israel as long as there is they coming together of the Jew and the Arab people at the same time, the Bible said about Israel and about these saw that he’s a wild man. His hand will be upon every man, and every man will be upon his. And there is, it will always be a war going on between Israel and the Arab people. Now that does not mean I don’t want anyone to ever. Is true from what I’m saying here, and what I’ve said here that I have a negative or hateful attitude toward the Arab people. I do not. I have no problem with the Arab. I have a problem with the people who have made it their plan of their life and their plan. Of the future. That the only way they’re going to achieve their goals is to kill the Jews, get rid of the Jews, they sing the song from the river to the sea, from the river to the sea, and most of the people have no clue. That river to what sea basically is saying what we definitely want to do is we want all of this land, we want the Jews out of here completely. Let them leave and we’ll just stay and take the.

[MCG]

MM.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

Thing. So it’s always been, you know, give up a little piece of the land. Let’s go back to the 1967 borders. Let’s give up half of Jerusalem. Let’s give up this part of the land. Let’s give up that part of the land. Well, once they do that, then they’re not satisfied. They want more land. The Bible says I believe them. I’m not mistaken. I can’t tell you the verse, but I can tell you what it says. The Bible makes it clear that God hates. Those that try to park his land so when you try to park the land of Israel, you’re going against the God of the Bible. Who says this is my land? This is the heartbeat of my land. These people are the apple of my eye. And all you’re trying to do is just take land now going to your point of the. Severity of the response of the Israeli. You know there. Is unbelievable amount of military equipment that is buried in thousands of miles of tunnels. We’ve seen them go into the tunnels and find all these military missiles and rockets and weapons and these people are holding the hostages as human. Shields. You know, I don’t know. I’m not the Israeli Government, so I can’t say why they would turn the water off. I only can think in. Mind that they had a reasonable, you know, their effort was to try to move those people out of there. They want to protect them. You know, if I turn the water off, I’m gonna have to go find water somewhere. So that means I’m leaving. And so they have given directions to people. They have dropped leaflets. They have said things to people that said. You know, leave this area because it’s dangerous. We’re going to have to execute some things here to get rid of this Hamas leadership. And they’ve done a good job. They have done a good job. They’ve got as far as you know. Killing the main guy just a week or two ago of Hamas and they’re still firing weapons, still trying to, you know, so I don’t know how far Israel has to go. I think they’ve said that they’re at the end of their military objectives now. Now they’re focusing more of their attention on Lebanon. And but I just read today where it said the booties.

[Jay]

Oh.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

Are getting more daring and they feel like they have a greater ability to attack Israel, so it never ends. It’s just not ending.

[Jay]

So with this war being what it is never ending, and even though the leader of Hamas has been killed, they just keep going and the pager attack that Israel masterfully put in play to knock out individuals like very specific people. If you weren’t a part of the terrorist group, you wouldn’t have the patron. You wouldn’t be a problem. But I mean, it just keeps going and going and go. Typically in war, once you know the winning side establishes dominance or wins or whatever you want to call it, that’s it. It’s over. Then you start talking about rebuilding and repairing. But it seems like as you said, this goes on and on. Does that mean there’s something to this war that will never die? Is it a religious war, or is it merely cultural? Or maybe it’s political and there’s too many fingers on the scale. Or is it existential? What kind of war is this? That it persists now for thousands of years? What’s going on here?

[Dr. Henry Benach]

We wanted to take a spiritual view of what’s happening there. I would have to say that of course, we believe in a God we believe in. Satan and Satan’s effort has been forever to kill the Jews, to eliminate the Jews, we can go back all the way back to the time of Jesus in the future where there were killing of Jews. Then we cross, were familiar with the Holocaust which did occur regardless of whether or not that. You want to believe that it occurred and it’s almost like it’s a Satanic War. It’s almost like Satan is continually doing everything he can to kill the Jews. I I would seem to me that he would. Have enough intelligence? I mean, I don’t know to know that he can’t win this, but I’m sure that he’s going. To make every. Effort to try to eliminate the Jewish people, which it can’t be done. The Bible says the only way the Jewish people can be eliminated gays. If you were to get rid of the stars and the moon and the sun. And the. Maybe that the people that are fighting it’s Israel should stop shooting their missiles at Israel and start shooting it at the moon and the sun and try to knock it out, because that’s the only way that Jewish people are going to be eliminated. So, you know, this has been going on. I mean, I can remember I’m old enough to remember, you know, all the wars that occurred. I was born after 19. 48 but I remember the wars of 67 and 73, and the wars of that have gone on and on and on without stopping. I think there is a spiritual aspect to it, and it will never end until the Bible makes it clear that God’s going to wipe all those people out, and eventually he’ll. Make a New Jerusalem a new land. And according to Romans Chapter 11, the Bible says in all Israel will be saved. So that’s going to be probably the only time that they’ll actually have any real peace. Now they’ll have a 3 1/2 year peace time with the Antichrist will make the covenant with them. But it’ll be a false peace. And after 3 1/2 years you’ll break that peace and there’ll be. With destruction and murder of Jews like never before, so as far as this war going, I just don’t see that. You know you’re going to have your typical.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

You know ending. Of war. Just I don’t. Just don’t. See it that way.

[MCG]

Well, so you mentioned sinoia, the former head of Hamas who was killed or taken out their weaker 2 ago as of this recording, we don’t usually mention the date of our recording, but we are recording this before the general elections in the United States.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

Yes.

[MCG]

2024 so, but two things that stood out to me, the. Taking out Sinoia 1 is that he was among the people you know, and that’s one the thing that Israel always was saying, how much is hiding among regular people, regular civilians, and they’re executing their stuff. The fact that they caught him and took him out from among the people. The regular people prove in one way that Israel was right in terms of what Hamas was doing and the second one. Is that he actually sent a note and I’m taking this from the New York Post where he left directives to his subordinate or what they should do, you know, in the case that he died or he should be killed. And one of the things he mentioned was that he said take care of the lives of the enemy prisoners. Which is talking about. Those are their hostages. I secured them since they are the bargaining trip in our hands. So it’s clear that we’re looking at the evil man, a man who put his family because. There were videos on October 5th and October 6th of him moving his family into the tunnel, so this was before the October 7th. So that tells me also that he knew Israel was going to retaliate based on what they already have planned. I’m going to let you speak to that and then I have another question after that.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

I guess one of the biggest surprises to me was the fact that Israel, with all of its great intelligence. From what we know, we don’t probably have the knowledge of everything that goes on there, but from what we know there was no clear intelligence that the October 7th attack was going to take place. I don’t know if Israel knew more than we know, but they sure haven’t told us anything. But it was a complete surprise, but. Hamas was preparing for this, I’m sure for a long time. Time and Sinwar and the rest of those people, they built those tunnels. They brought all the military equipment in there so they knew what they were doing. And Israel just systematically going through and just destroying one after another one after another, one after another. And I hope. In my prayers that one day here soon. That either one or two things will happen. Either they’ll release the hostages and give up, which I don’t see. Happening or two, Israel will find where those hostages are and rescue them. That’s always a possibility. But you know, they say they’re not quitting. They’re not ending. And so it’ll continue on until, you know. And they say, oh, we’ll have a ceasefire. Well, they don’t want to. Accept. It When Israel makes a proposal so. I don’t know how the end of that is. Going to be, but I know it probably be more. Death and destruction before it’s all over.

[MCG]

Yeah, news came out. I think it’s pretty recently here with the accusing Benjamin Netanyahu that he’s not dealing. Honestly, in terms of the peace deal, stuff like that, he’s trying to look a lot stronger than he is and all that stuff. Have you heard anything about that accusing the Prime Minister of any on the hand?

[Dr. Henry Benach]

I’ve heard a lot of accusations. There’s all kinds of accusations Israel is doing this and Israel’s doing that, and that Yahoo’s doing this Netanyahu’s, you know, he doesn’t want to do this. And I think from what I’ve read, they’ve made every effort to appease Hamas. They allowed them to bring in tons and tons of Mediterranean aid. Which I stole and of course, then there’s the involvement of the United Nations, you know, rescue operations there that somehow got involved. I’m just. I just don’t you know? And I’m not trying to be, you know, on the side of Israel or the side of Benjamin Netanyahu. But there are so many accusations of what Israel’s doing that just aren’t true. I think they’ve bent over backward to make a peace deal with them on us. They said, OK, we’ll accept this whatever you want, even though it was a lopsided. Deal. And then Hamas says, OK, we don’t want it. So what can you do? I mean, just they’ve bent over backwards, so I don’t think that Netanyahu has actually has a reason. To try to make that be something that goes on and on, I think he’d like to see peace as well, but just not happening. Probably won’t.

[MCG]

Alright. Well, we’re going to go into a break, but let me ask this final question before we do so a lot of folks will say Israel is the moral agent in here because we know. And with this question, I’m not even accusing the people of Palestine comma. Clearly, is a terrorist organization and Israel, being the moral agent or the idea of being the moral agent. If you’re looking at how much as a terrorist, we have to look at Israel as the moral agent, of course there’s some people that were accused. The idea of has been terrorist organization as well, but it seems to me, and it’s kind of similar to the other question I asked, it seems to me that the moral. Agent should be the one who should most restrain, but the accusation is that they’re not the one that’s showing the most restrained to which you say.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

I guess the. Question would then be to whoever said is Israel not showing enough restraint? And the question probably would be what do they have to do? What would they have to do to show that they’re being the moral agent in this, so they just stop firing? Should they just stop going in there? So they just let Lebanon? And Hamas and Iran and Iraq and Syria and Houthi. And God knows who else is out there. Should they just let them keep firing rockets and missiles into their territory, trying to kill their people? Should they let them fire missiles to try to take out the Prime Minister of Israel? They attacked his house. How much restraint should they show? And the question I would ask is how much does Israel, what kind of restraint should they show? Well, I mean. As I said, they stop if they stop, then they’re gonna be killed. If the other side would stop, Israel would be at peace. And I just think right now they’re just trying to defend themselves from all these. You know, I can imagine if somebody firing rockets at my house every day, I would try to find some way to stop them. And whatever it took to do so, yeah, I believe Israel is the moral agent wants to be the moral agent. But because of the hostilities of the other side and the numerous countries that are attacking them, they have no choice but to defend themselves to the Max.

[MCG]

Hmm. Well, you’re listening to the Remove embarrassed podcast. We’re sitting down with Dr. Henry Benach, President of Jewish End-Times Ministries, and we’re talking about Israel at war. We’ll be right back.

[Jay]

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So, Dr. Benach, the history of the region and the establishing of aid is very contentious. What role, if any, does that have to play in the war?

[Dr. Henry Benach]

In the providing of the aid for the Palestinian people or the so-called Palestinian people, well, you know, I think Israel has done as much as they can to provide aid they have brought in thousands and thousands of tons of material. It’s been shown that Hamas has confiscated a great deal of that material and it’s not gotten to the Palestinian.

[Jay]

Yes.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

The Arab people in that area, so again, this is a point of it has to be something that is, you know, clear cut with some sort of a maybe an international coalition that would make sure that these people are receiving aid. But I don’t think Israel’s. Letting them do that right now, they’re trying, but they’re doing everything I believe they can. To try to provide the aid to the people.

[Jay]

Do you think that the US should be involved in this war in any way, shape or fashion, and if so, why?

[Dr. Henry Benach]

Well, historically, the United States has been a friend of Israel. I think that they have somewhat of a vested interest in the land down there to protect various things and whether we like it or not, I mean the United States is involved in this war. In fact, they just landed, I believe yesterday. Today, 10B52 bombers in Qatar in preparation for what’s upcoming with Iraq and so whether we like it or not, we’re involved in it now it’s clear that the political agenda that’s going on now in America, the current administration, they’re more in favor of helping the Palestinian people. And they are Israel because they in some ways, you know, said we’re not going to give you a material if you don’t, you know, stop this and. Have a ceasefire. But on the other hand, when Iran starts to attack Israel, the United States made it clear we are going to be there to defend you. So whether they should be or should. We I don’t know if that’s a question that can be answered now, but the answer is of the fact is that they are there and. They are going to get involved.

[MCG]

Yeah, let’s play. What if? Since as I said earlier, this has been recorded before the elections, but you gotta come out after the 2024 elections. So let’s say we wake up after the election and Kamala Harris is now Madam President of the United States. Where does this war go?

[Dr. Henry Benach]

It continued. It would continue. I don’t believe that Israel will change its policy of defense of their country, regardless of who is the President, whether it’s Trump or whether it’s. Chris, I think Harris is more against Israel and more pro Palestinian is my personal opinion. While Trump is very clearly and has been historically a defender of Israel, look what he did. He brought the embassy to Jerusalem. He was the only person that could do that. And he has stood by Israel. Well. Of course you hear him. He is the greatest negotiator, the greatest person that can solve every problem. He can stop the war. Tomorrow in Ukraine, he can stop the war. Tomorrow in Israel. I mean, I’d like to see that I I don’t know how that’s going to happen.

[MCG]

Are you calling President Bluff?

[Dr. Henry Benach]

I don’t know what I would call it. I would call it. I’m the greatest, you know, I’ve been the greatest president. You’ve never seen anybody like me before. And I can stop this war. This war would have never happened if I had been the President. Praying would have never happened. If I’ve been president. And I guarantee that if I become. I’m gonna end this war before I take office now. OK, let me see that. I want to see that happen. I just want to see, you know, but the what? If if Harris is still president? I believe the war in Ukraine will continue. It could lead to World War Three. I don’t know. On the other hand, Trump has apparently some connections with Putin.

[MCG]

Yeah.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

And he could. Somehow negotiate some deal where Ukraine will lose a good portion of that land. And then the war would kind of come to, you know, an end or a truce or whatever you want to call it. But this all remains to be seen. And I’m waiting. Can’t wait for this event to election to see what happens. And then what happens in the days after that. I think that Trump gets elected. There could be a good possibility of it ending. There could be an escalation if Harris is elected. I believe it will continue on and there’ll be an effort to try to bring that two state solution as you’re talking about into play, which again, I don’t see that happening.

[MCG]

Either so in my mind, tell me if you agree with me. In my mind, I’m thinking that it would be easier. To end the war between Ukraine and Russia than to end the war between Israel and who knows who are they going up against? Hamas, the hotties, Hezbollah, Iran. I think it might be easier to end the war in Ukraine than Israel. What do you think?

[Dr. Henry Benach]

I agree with you. I think it would be easier than the war. Ukraine. Then it would be Israel because, frankly speaking, from my knowledge of Ukraine, they are not winning this war they’re losing, they are losing more land and it’s getting more difficult. Russia is using chemical weapons in Ukraine. They are now using eight to 10,000 and North Korean. Soldiers in Ukraine, they’re taking more land. Ukraine. Many of the soldiers are discouraged and it’s not going well in Ukraine. So there may be, you know, a consideration. Alright, we’ll give up this land. We’ll lose this land that which is pretty much all Russian speaking people anyways and take our loss. And Galan Israel, on the other hand, is a spiritual war. It’s a war that just has never done it resolve itself until the end of time, and we can read it about it in the Bible. We already know of several events that have to take place. We know of Psalm 83 war, which may be happening right now. We know there’s going to be Gog and Magog. Ezekiel 38, we know from Isaiah that there’s gonna be the destruction of Damascus. If you read and Isaiah the Bible says Damascus will be there one day. And the next day, it’ll be gone. Overnight, the city of Damascus will be destroyed. It very well could be a nuclear bomb. It could be. Who knows what. But it’s very clear that Damascus, which has never been destroyed, will be destroyed overnight. It’ll be gone. So there are numbers of things that are predicted in the Bible that are going to have to occur.

[MCG]

Hmm.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

And just from that, we can see it’s not ending, it’s sitting end. There’s no peace, there’s no peace agreement, there’s no stoppage of war. And so Ukraine, yes, I believe it could end quicker and it could, you know, result in in an escalation in Europe. On the other hand, Israel and the Middle East is probably going to be an ongoing situation for the rest of biblical times. That we know of.

[Jay]

Does that mean that Jerusalem will never have peace? You know, the Bible admonishes us to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, since this is a spiritual war, does that mean Jerusalem will never have peace?

[Dr. Henry Benach]

Well, you know, the Bible says pray for the Peace of Jerusalem, they shall prosper. That love thee, you know, in order to do that in order to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, you have to pray for a lot of things. You gotta pray for the coming of the Messiah because the Messiah is the only one that can bring the peace in. And so there will be peace in Jerusalem, but that peace will be a short lived peace of 3 1/2 years during the beginning part of the Tribulation period, as is predicted by the Bible, and that 3 1/2 year peace will end when the Antichrist breaks that peace agreement with Israel and begins to kill the Jewish people. So the only time I see peace will be 3 1/2 years and then at the end of the Tribulation period they’ll be in the millennial reign of Christ. I believe there’ll be peace there. And then after 1000 years, believe it or not, another war.

[MCG]

Where does the US, in your opinion, fit in this and times that you’re talking about? I personally hold 2 Middle Eastern end time in terms of prophecy and other folks will have a US centric end time in terms of prophecy. I hope to millions than want.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

I don’t see anywhere in the Bible where America is mentioned as being part of the end time. We don’t even. The United States mentioned at all in the Bible in the end time and so that gives us a reason to ask questions as to what happens to America, what will happen here? What will you know? Will there be a nuclear war here? I mean, who knows what is going to happen? We don’t know. But I agree with you. This is a Middle East tribulation period of Middle East end. Time, and I don’t see any evidence of America being involved at. All in the end times.

[MCG]

Yeah, but we’re talking about the most powerful military in the world today. So something is going to happen between now and that 3 1/2 year period. You’re talking about the first half of the Tribulation period.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

Yes, Sir. That could be a nuclear war. Could be. You know they have the capabilities of firing nuclear weapons in outer space. That will take out entire electrical grid of the United States. And if you know anything about what happens and when the power goes off for a long period of time, it will result in chaos and anarchy and death. You know, large number of people will be killed and that could be part of the end times, the destruction of America. We don’t want to believe that because we believe we’re the greatest nation in.

[Jay]

Absolutely.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

The world and we’re, you know. But God, God has the plan, and America may not. Fit into that.

[MCG]

Ohh well, what about the rest of the West? You know you’re talking about the NATO nations because it’s not just America.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

Well, go back to what you said a moment ago, and that is the majority of what? Is going to occur. There is going to occur in the Middle East, there’s going to be the tax of these countries against Israel. The first one may be occurring even as we speak with the Psalm 83 war and the end result of that will be it is really victory. Then when there is a relative time of maybe peace maybe. The tribulation period. Then these Arab nations, not content with the fact that they got damaged and destroyed, we’ll call upon Russia to come down, take whatever prize that they believe they’re going to have gas, oil, whatever minerals from the Dead Sea, whatever. And again, all these countries, Turkey and parts of Africa and Iraq and. Iran will come down against Israel and the Bible says it’ll be a massacre of those people. The blood would be up to the horse’s bridle, the Bible says, and so. After that occurs. Others you know, I think we know the timeline of the Rapture and the Tribulation period, but how it’s going to take place, I don’t think anybody really knows. And I have a view that everything we think we know about how it’s going to happen is probably 180° different than the way it really will happen. We know the timeline. But we don’t know how it’s going to happen. It will probably happen different than we assume it will. So the West United States, maybe. One Eastern Europe, we don’t know what’s going to happen there, but again, I believe it’s all centering on the Middle East like you. Said, I believe that.

[MCG]

Yeah, well, based on what the direction of this country is going today in terms of, you know, rumors one playing out in this country before our eyes and so much so in the West, I can see to some degree that the West is going to be weakened. I’m thinking about countries in South America and places like that. Other thing places like Brazil have a pretty strong military and I’m just thinking about military powers around the world. And of course, in my limited knowledge I can’t answer this question, but I’m like I’m thinking about, you know, if you think about the top 50 militaries in the world, the West would probably have most of those, even including Brazil. And you come all the way up North America and Canada, and then you go to Europe. Those are not militaries that you can look at this say, man, these people are going to be easy. Pickens. So either they’re going to be destroyed from within the rumors, one playing out before our eyes, and we have a bunch of men who can’t fight anymore because they’re not men anymore. Or we going to be joining with the countries of like China and Russia and going against Israel. I don’t know what the answer is, but I’m thinking that if these militaries are so strong, you know, you can take a hand of God to prevent them or they’re just going to be insignificant by the time those time come around. But it’s hard for me just to Phantom that in my mind. Looking at the state that they’re in. Now, yeah.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

I agree with you that there could be a lot of things that happen that change that will cause these nations to turn against Israel and join the league with those other countries. Already we’re seeing countries that are anti. Israel such countries like Turkey and Poland or some of these countries are leaning more and more towards socialist governments and they could be eventually brought into the coalition with Russia to fight against Israel. I read today where that if there was a nuclear war, you know, with all the fears that are going on, the seven, I think it was safest places. You could go. If there was a nuclear war and one of them was like Peru, leave United States and go to Peru and you’d probably be relatively safe from nuclear weapons, then there was New Zealand and Australia. Some of those countries that are probably will not get involved. As part of a nuclear war. But when you’re talking about the possibilities of destruction by nuclear war, you’re talking about America talking about NATO countries. You’re talking about Great Britain. You’re talking about Germany. These countries that are affiliated with NATO, and they could change leadership over time. And then, you know, look at. Going against Israel, but regardless of what they do, they will not succeed. God is in control, he loves the nation of Israel, he protects the nation of Israel, and those countries are making big mistake right now.

[MCG]

Hmm. Well, I don’t know, brother, but I guess we just have to pray as the by the marshals for the Peace of Jerusalem because I can’t see how this will be resolved and I don’t know. I’ll let you give you a final word on the resolution of. All this.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

I wish we already knew the results of the national election, but I would imagine that if someone is listening to this broadcast after the election, they will then have a lot of the answers of the questions that we asked tonight. Right. They’ll know if there’s going to be an end to the war in Ukraine. They’ll know if there’s going to be some resolution of the nation of Israel. They’ll know how far it’s going. So I wish that I could be on the other side of the direction to the other side of the election to see what happens. But I am in great anticipation of seeing. What happens? I have no. Here about the fact that whoever is elected the President will be put there, no matter if we like or don’t like them, they’re going to be put there because the Bible says that God brings up the Kings and God sets up the leaders and God will, you know, decide who is going to be there because he has a plan that things have to get a lot worse. Before they get better, people are thinking right now things are going to get better this election. You know, Donald Trump is going to stop the whole thing. Well, the only way that Donald Trump would stop the whole thing is if he’s the enterprise. And I don’t think he is. At least I don’t know that he is, but I just. Say we’ll see. We’re going to see what happens. We know what the Bible says, what the timeline is, and we can be sure that the next event in prophecy is the coming of Jesus Christ in the air to take his children. And if anybody is listening and they don’t know for sure, they’re going to go to heaven when they die. And the rapture occurs, they will be left behind for seven years of a terrible tribulation period. And so please don’t go there. Make a decision to trust the Lord now, before it’s eternally too late. And then you’ll have. The true peace of God that passes all understanding, and they may have peace in Israel. There may not be peace in Ukraine, but I can have it. And you can have peace in your heart and that you can accept whatever God has for us in the future.

[MCG]

All right. Dr. Henry Benach. I can’t think of a better way to end this. So, thank you so much for joining us on the Removing Barriers podcast.

[Dr. Henry Benach]

Thank you.

[Jay]

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[MCG]

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